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Scottish MP Pushes Assisted Suicide Bill that Includes Right to Die for Children
LifeSiteNews ^ | 12/10/08 | Kathleen Gilbert

Posted on 12/10/2008 4:20:02 PM PST by wagglebee

EDINBURGH, December 10, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Despite attracting little support from colleagues, Scottish Parliament Member Margo McDonald is continuing to fight for a bill to legalize assisted suicide. McDonald’s bill is so broad that it would entitle children of 12 and younger to choose to kill themselves.

McDonald held a consultation yesterday on the End of Life Choices (Scotland) Bill in an effort to garner more support. So far, McDonald has the support of only three other Parliament members, whereas eighteen are needed for the bill to merit review at Holyrood.

During the consultation, McDonald said that the age limit for assisted suicide consent should coincide with the age when children are allowed to decide which parent to live with after a divorce. Children older than 12 are typically consulted in Scotland's custody battles, with exceptions occasionally made for younger children deemed mature enough.

In a sound byte available on the online version of the Herald, McDonald, who suffers from Parkinson’s, said it is "absolutely inhumane" and "cruel" not to allow ailing individuals access to lethal drugs. She claims that she has received large amounts of correspondence supporting her initiative to allow patients to ask doctors for assistance in dying. Euthanasia campaigners in Scotland, according to the Herald, say there is a "small but significant" demand among Scots.

MacDonald said: “There are lots of people up and down Scotland who would like to make sure that they miss the last - and for them most intolerable - part of life, because of incapacity, loss of dignity, loss of control, insufferable pain perhaps.”

McDonald suggested that Scottish doctors already underhandedly administer lethal amounts of painkillers to suffering patients with the understanding that the patient wishes to die. "I think some doctors are happy that that area of ambiguity should remain," she said, "but other doctors would rather be protected by the law."

Health secretary Nicola Sturgeon said she was against assisted suicide, and noted she was not convinced that a law granting immunity to doctors killing their patients could be adequately modified to safeguard against abuses.

Ms. MacDonald began her campaign in March when she entreated Parliament to legalize assisted suicide so that she could seek death if her disease caused life to become unbearable.

Earlier attempts to introduce euthanasia legislation at Holyrood have met with a similar lack of enthusiasm. Jeremy Purvis, the Liberal Democrat Parliament member, drafted "mercy killing" legislation in 2004 but also failed to find support among colleagues.

Assisted suicide is illegal in the entire U.K. However, legislation dealing with assisted suicide, known as the Coroners and Justice Bill, is scheduled for consideration in the British Parliament, though the scope of the bill is yet unclear.


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During the consultation, McDonald said that the age limit for assisted suicide consent should coincide with the age when children are allowed to decide which parent to live with after a divorce. Children older than 12 are typically consulted in Scotland's custody battles, with exceptions occasionally made for younger children deemed mature enough.

Disgusting.

1 posted on 12/10/2008 4:20:03 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 12/10/2008 4:20:40 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 12/10/2008 4:21:26 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Health secretary Nicola Sturgeon said she was against assisted suicide, and noted she was not convinced that a law granting immunity to doctors killing their patients could be adequately modified to safeguard against abuses.

Why don't they try it on prisoners who are already sentenced to die for their terrible crimes. No doubt some of them don't want to live anymore. /sarc

4 posted on 12/10/2008 4:24:43 PM PST by pray4liberty (Always vote for life!)
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To: wagglebee

Don’t kid yourselves, this will pass eventually. Nothing ever gets better but things continue to worse and worse. It’s a bottomless pit of depravity and humanity will not be able to lift itself up.


5 posted on 12/10/2008 4:25:59 PM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: wagglebee

When the state picks up the costs of health care, the state will be more than happy to help you kill yourself, particularly if you are ill and are going to rack of a lot of medical expenses.

Follow the money. This is not about rights. This is about efficiency.


6 posted on 12/10/2008 4:26:29 PM PST by gridlock (Don't blame me... I voted for PALIN!)
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To: wagglebee
McDonald suggested that Scottish doctors already underhandedly administer lethal amounts of painkillers to suffering patients with the understanding that the patient wishes to die. "I think some doctors are happy that that area of ambiguity should remain," she said, "but other doctors would rather be protected by the law."

Happens in the US all the time. My father's doctor very carefully told my father how much of his medicine he should NOT take because it could kill him and also told my father that the pills would be useless if be became too ill as he wouldn't be able to swallow them. My father died a peaceful death unlike the agony that preceded it.

7 posted on 12/10/2008 4:30:03 PM PST by E=MC2
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To: wagglebee
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8 posted on 12/10/2008 4:30:32 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Dear Margo - any time you want you can run a garden hose from the tailpipe of your tiny car to the cabin. Put an audio book version of “Dreams of My Father” on and do us all a favor. Just don’t put too much petrol in the tank, I’m sure you don’t want to leave one last big carbon footprint.


9 posted on 12/10/2008 4:32:18 PM PST by Lou Budvis ("I did not have sex with that woman..." = "I did not have contact with the governor..")
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To: E=MC2

So your father’s doctor committed malpractice, that DOES NOT make it right.


10 posted on 12/10/2008 4:36:32 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.2473914.0.Children_should_have_right_to_choose_death.php


11 posted on 12/10/2008 4:41:29 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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So your father’s doctor committed malpractice, that DOES NOT make it right.

No malpractive. He gave very valid medical advice. After all, NO patient should misuse medication and all patients should know how to properly take medicine.

12 posted on 12/10/2008 4:43:31 PM PST by E=MC2
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To: wagglebee
that DOES NOT make it right.

Right in my eyes, my father's eyes and the eyes of the Lord. Not your call.

13 posted on 12/10/2008 4:44:27 PM PST by E=MC2
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To: E=MC2
Right in my eyes, my father's eyes and the eyes of the Lord.

What is RIGHT is not decided by popular opinion or selfish desires, it is decided by God and He said very clearly:
Thou shalt not kill.

14 posted on 12/10/2008 4:45:51 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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“During the consultation, McDonald said that the age limit for assisted suicide consent should coincide with the age when children are allowed to decide which parent to live with after a divorce. Children older than 12 are typically consulted in Scotland’s custody battles, with exceptions occasionally made for younger children deemed mature enough.”

This sounds like he wants doctors to kill young children who are suffering from depression. Even the life of a child is deemed no longer worth it in this brave new world.This is a level of evil that is simply unimaginable and this is coming from an elected official. We can understand why evil can be done out of hatred but this is pure and unadulterated evil done in the name of freedom and compassion. The way I see it, there is no greater depravity than this. This is the very bottom of the abyss.


15 posted on 12/10/2008 4:46:24 PM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: wagglebee
What is RIGHT is not decided by popular opinion or selfish desires, it is decided by God and He said very clearly: Thou shalt not kill.

Leviticus 20:10 If there is a man who commits adultery with another man's wife, one who commits adultery with his friend's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found lying with a married woman, then both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman; thus you shall purge the evil from Israel. (NASB ©1995)

16 posted on 12/10/2008 4:51:04 PM PST by E=MC2
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To: Soothesayer
This sounds like he wants doctors to kill young children who are suffering from depression.

Exactly. The incidence of depression with thoughts of suicide is rampant among children. This makes as much sense as offering a ride to every kid who ever threatens to run away from home.

17 posted on 12/10/2008 4:51:13 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: E=MC2

There is a huge difference between capital punishment and taking an innocent life, but I’m guessing that you are incapable of understanding it.

I’m curious, are you a new troll or a retread?


18 posted on 12/10/2008 4:52:45 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
There is a huge difference between capital punishment and taking an innocent life, but I’m guessing that you are incapable of understanding it.

OK. It is ok to kill under certain circumstances. But you said "Thou shall not kill". But that is off the topic. We are talking about ending ones own life with dignity. That is not killing.

19 posted on 12/10/2008 4:54:54 PM PST by E=MC2
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To: wagglebee
There is a huge difference between capital punishment and taking an innocent life, but I’m guessing that you are incapable of understanding it.

Should adultery be subject to capital punishment?

20 posted on 12/10/2008 4:58:13 PM PST by E=MC2
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To: E=MC2
We are talking about ending ones own life with dignity.

The way you and your ilk see it, Adolf Hitler died with dignity, but Jesus Christ did not.

A dignified person will die with dignity no matter how undignified they appear in the end, an undignified person will not. Dignity is what we bring to death, not what death brings to us.

21 posted on 12/10/2008 5:03:02 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: E=MC2
Should adultery be subject to capital punishment?

Try to stay on topic.

22 posted on 12/10/2008 5:03:28 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
The way you and your ilk see it, Adolf Hitler died with dignity, but Jesus Christ did not.

Why do you keep bringing up Hitler? That has nothing to do with the conversation except your attempt to falsely associate me with him.

A dignified person will die with dignity no matter how undignified they appear in the end, an undignified person will not. Dignity is what we bring to death, not what death brings to us.

It is between God and the person when to decide to end one's life. It should not be subject to government control or your personal views.

23 posted on 12/10/2008 5:07:47 PM PST by E=MC2
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To: wagglebee
You: There is a huge difference between capital punishment and taking an innocent life, but I’m guessing that you are incapable of understanding it.

Me: Should adultery be subject to capital punishment?

Try to stay on topic.

You brought up capital punishment. I am just trying to understand.

24 posted on 12/10/2008 5:10:01 PM PST by E=MC2
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To: E=MC2
Why do you keep bringing up Hitler? That has nothing to do with the conversation except your attempt to falsely associate me with him.

I brought up a well-known suicide. I have not tried to associate you with Hitler.

It is between God and the person when to decide to end one's life. It should not be subject to government control or your personal views.

YOU are the one trying to get governments to legalize euthanasia.

25 posted on 12/10/2008 5:10:39 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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YOU are the one trying to get governments to legalize euthanasia.

I am trying to get government out of my life. You are trying to use government to control my life. Thank you.

26 posted on 12/10/2008 5:14:26 PM PST by E=MC2
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To: E=MC2

Christ shed His Blood in atonement for the sins of the Old Testament.


27 posted on 12/10/2008 5:15:02 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
I brought up a well-known suicide. I have not tried to associate you with Hitler.

The record speaks otherwise:

"The way you and your ilk see it, Adolf Hitler died with dignity, but Jesus Christ did not."

28 posted on 12/10/2008 5:15:24 PM PST by E=MC2
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To: wagglebee

There are endless medical problems that hurt so much that many people wish they would just die, or are just willing to die. But when the pain finally stops, their life goes on as it should.

Unless their was an “angel of death” handy.


29 posted on 12/10/2008 5:15:27 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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I am trying to get government out of my life.

Nonsense, you are trying to force employees of the government to participate in suicide.

30 posted on 12/10/2008 5:15:50 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Nonsense, you are trying to force employees of the government to participate in suicide.

I have never said that. I am trying to ensure that government employees do NOT participate in my suicide.

31 posted on 12/10/2008 5:17:24 PM PST by E=MC2
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To: E=MC2

Correct, you think that suicide (i.e. death on your own terms and not God’s) is dignified, that doesn’t equate you with Hitler.


32 posted on 12/10/2008 5:17:24 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: E=MC2

Try to keep up, this thread is about Scotland, they have socialized medicine.


33 posted on 12/10/2008 5:18:51 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Correct, you think that suicide (i.e. death on your own terms and not God’s) is dignified, that doesn’t equate you with Hitler.

No. And I beg to disagree with you that it is death NOT on God's terms. When I chose to die is between me and God and neither you nor the government should interfere.

34 posted on 12/10/2008 5:19:21 PM PST by E=MC2
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To: wagglebee
Try to keep up, this thread is about Scotland,

If it is about Scotland, why did you try to hijack it with TS?

35 posted on 12/10/2008 5:21:17 PM PST by E=MC2
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To: E=MC2

The fact that you mistake moral relativism with God’s Will is certainly your choice.


36 posted on 12/10/2008 5:21:19 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: E=MC2

What are you talking about?


37 posted on 12/10/2008 5:21:45 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
The fact that you mistake moral relativism with God’s Will is certainly your choice.

Thank you for at least saying it is my choice. Now, will you admit that it should my choice and not the governments choice on when and how I die?

If not, then the following conclusion is reached. Bye for now.

ME: Keep the government out of my private life.

YOU: You want to government controlling my life.

38 posted on 12/10/2008 5:23:53 PM PST by E=MC2
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Now, will you admit that it should my choice and not the governments choice on when and how I die?

The government is not preventing you or anyone else from dying (except of course those who are incarcerated), pro-euthanasia laws are designed to get the government to condone and participate in suicide.

39 posted on 12/10/2008 5:26:11 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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The way you and your ilk see it, Adolf Hitler died with dignity, but Jesus Christ did not.

Nice Strawman

I find this kind of legislation creepy as hell,but I also think medical progress/technology has gotten to the point where it's no longer treament but torture in some cases

40 posted on 12/10/2008 5:26:27 PM PST by Charlespg
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We ARE NOT talking about the cessation of medical treatment, we are talking about medical treatment which is SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to kill.

Oh and I wasn’t the one who brought up the “death with dignity” strawman, I was refuting it.


41 posted on 12/10/2008 5:28:09 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
The government is not preventing you or anyone else from dying (except of course those who are incarcerated), pro-euthanasia laws are designed to get the government to condone and participate in suicide.

Since when should the government or you have a say in how I live and die. That is between me and the Lord. I don't want the government to participate in my suicide in ANY way. Why do you want the government to control me and my life?

42 posted on 12/10/2008 5:29:56 PM PST by E=MC2
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We ARE NOT talking about the cessation of medical treatment,

Then why did you bring up TS?

43 posted on 12/10/2008 5:31:09 PM PST by E=MC2
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To: wagglebee

This screaming nosedive into hell just won’t stop.

CHILDREN???!??!?!?!?

The ***holes want to have doctors kill CHILDREN as long as the children “ask to die”. What child would EVER ask to die? Unless they were told they could? This is so evil I am sickened and furious. Of course, if the demons can kill children before they’re born and push for this to be broadened in every possible way, then it shouldn’t shock me.

But it does.

I think something/s is going to come along to put a stop to this. There is Someone in charge.


44 posted on 12/10/2008 5:31:56 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: E=MC2

I’m through with you silly games. ALL I want government to do is PROTECT innocent life, you are obviously opposed to that.

Why are YOU so attracted to pro-life threads?


45 posted on 12/10/2008 5:32:06 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: E=MC2

WHAT are you talking about?


46 posted on 12/10/2008 5:32:30 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: E=MC2

The government cannot prevent you from killing yourself right now. Why don’t you prove me right?


47 posted on 12/10/2008 5:32:48 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: E=MC2

“I have never said that. I am trying to ensure that government employees do NOT participate in my suicide.”

You are a lying piece of scum.


48 posted on 12/10/2008 5:34:31 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: wagglebee

My guess is retread.


49 posted on 12/10/2008 5:35:42 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: E=MC2; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; Sun; Dante3; little jeremiah; Jim Robinson

Oh, I get it, you are talking about the ping to the “Terri Dailies” thread.

The Terri Dailies thread is a thread which changes every month or two and is dedicated to the protection of innocent life. Jim Robinson is a pro-life conservative and he is supportive of these threads.

You may want to visit some of these threads, you just might learn something.

For the record Terri DID NOT die due to cessation of ANY medical treatment (her estranged, adulterous “husband” had tried that before and failed), Terri died because she was denied food and water.


50 posted on 12/10/2008 5:38:58 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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