Posted on 12/11/2008 5:28:28 AM PST by GWMcClintock
This is the most urgent, most important action alert the American Policy Center has ever issued! The Ohio state legislature is expected to vote as early as Dec. 10th, to call for a Constitutional Convention (Con Con). If Ohio calls for a Con Con only one more state need do so and Congress will have no choice but to convene a Convention, throwing our U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights up for grabs. Ohio's vote today poses a grave threat to the U.S. Constitution. Please immediately call the Ohio lawmakers listed below. ACT FAST - time is of the essence!
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You said — “Now whatever would make you think DC would not let states secede?”
Ummm...., perhaps Abraham Lincoln and the Civil War... LOL...
[I think the bloodiest war in America’s history settled that particular and *primary issue* that caused the war...]
You said — “Is there any TRUTH in this? Anyone have a link to the list of states? Can anyone find the resolution in their State’s minutes? We have a lot of very connected people on FR who pay close attention and somehow we are to believe that 32 states have voted on this and no one here has ever heard about it, until now? BULL FEATHERS !!!
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It’s true. It happened about 20-30 years ago. There’s no time limit for how long the states have to take to request this Constitutional Convention. It can go on for another 20 years and if another two states request it — it’s a “done deal”.... That’s how it works.
There was even a Constitutional Amendment that took about 200 years to pass. The last state ratified it 200 years later and that Amendment went into effect.
So, it’s not all like you think...
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AND, the reason why no one here picked up on it — is, very simply — this happened long before web browsers, the popular Internet and before half of the FReepers were ever born.... LOL...
You said — “Yeah. Politicians are critically worried about balancing the budget.”
Well, they must be, because they’re about 2 states away from doing it... LOL...
AND..., in addition, they’ve got provisions in these requests that if the Constitutional Convention goes on to other matters, other than a Balanced Budget Amendment, then they will withdraw from the Constitutional Convention. They’ve all specified that this is *only* about a Balanced Budget Amendment.
Besides that, whatever is put forth (for an amendment) *still* has to be ratified by 3/4 of the states. If these states pull out if anything else is submitted — how on earth can you ever get to 3/4 of the states... LOL..
“They can’t simply re-write the Constitution. They must propose amendments that 3/4 of the states must ratify, before anything can take effect. It’s the same standard for ratification for the Congress proposing a Constitutional Amendment.”
Thanks for the details. I didn’t know those details, but still do not trust anyone to do what you just described. ;)
Ah yes..., it’s a sad day when a person can trust no one in government. It makes one wonder how we can even *function* as a government anymore???
Perhaps it’s not the Constitution that’s in trouble, but the entire government, itself will collapse (Constitution or not), because no one can function any longer...
“..Perhaps it’s not the Constitution that’s in trouble, but the entire government, itself will collapse ..”
Let’s hope it won’t get that bad, but who knows anymore. Keep praying and pack heat. lol
Follow Texan here
What did Davy Crockett say?
“The rest of you may all go to Hell. As for me, I’m going
to Texas.”
Like it said on the flag “Come and take it!”
All hyperbole aside, Freinds of mine and I talk about Seceding regularly.
This last part is where lurks the danger of a runaway convention. Article V. lets Congress determine all of the modalities, that are dangerously ambiguous and undefined here. We know what the state legislatures are, but what the heck are "Conventions in three fourths thereof?" Who defines the places and times and delegates to these state ratifying conventions? It implies that Congress does, but this is not stated explicitly, Article v. only says that Congress chooses the "Mode of Ratification." But who organizes and chooses the voting delegates at these conventions? It is said nowhere, and in this there is great room for mischief, as I described in my fictional "Kangaroo Convention" back at reply 49.
I fear a con-con during a period of great national stress, with a 'rat congress pushing and running the show, and defining the means and choosing the delegates to bogus "state ratifying conventions" that the Congress would then endorse as valid.
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I already DID. Perhaps you’d like a proofreader for the whole thing?
[cue Oliver Twist] Please sir, may I have some more?
Check da mail.
Unfortunately, they (we) either don't have the time, are not willing to take the time and/or are ignorant.
Thanks, LucyT
Save the Constitution Ping
Hello,
I am new here and I have an accent so I hope you will forgive my typos...
I’ve been following this birth certificate story since a while. Here is what I read today and I will pass it on because it seems so important - just came up today on http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/ .
Here is the article:
URGENT!!! URGENT!!! - CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION Secretly Being Railroaded Through!!!
Posted 11 December, 2008 by doctorbulldog
Categories: Abuse of Power, Orwellian, politics
Yesterday, Ohio tried to become the 33rd state to vote in a Constitutional Convention!!!
This article is a day old, but it IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!
Here is my personal update to the story:
Due to public concern, the vote on Ohio House Joint Resolution 8 ( HJR 8 ) was TEMPORARILY halted, but it WILL come up again! - there are rumors it could be today or tomorrow!
Even the PETA-like Libtards are fighting against this!!!
http://www.peacechicken.com/2008/12/10/update-on-ohios-hjr-8-call-for-constitutional-convention
Only 34 states are needed to CHANGE THE U.S. CONSTITUTION!!!!
And, once a “Con Con” is approved — only two more states to go! — Congress (think Nancy Pelosi - Harry Reid) can select who will be on the committee to CHANGE the Constitution.
The states have NO CONTROL over what the committee decides to change in OUR CONSTITUTION!!!
They can change ANYTHING. And, it’s ALL LEGAL and binding!!
A list of the states that have secretly slipped this by the public can be viewed by CLICKING HERE.
Imagine my surprise when I discovered my state of Missouri on that list!!!
TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS!!!!
WRITE EVERY PUBLIC SERVANT YOU KNOW!!!
H/T - az_conservative
U.S. Two States Away from Constitutional Convention
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This is the most urgent, most important action alert the American Policy Center has ever issued! The Ohio state legislature is expected to vote today, Wednesday, Dec. 10th, to call for a Constitutional Convention (Con Con). If Ohio calls for a Con Con only one more state need do so and Congress will have no choice but to convene a Convention, throwing our U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights up for grabs. Ohio’s vote today poses a grave threat to the U.S. Constitution. Please immediately call the Ohio lawmakers listed below. ACT FAST - time is of the essence!
I apologize! This malignancy most foul remained undetected by our radar until a good friend brought it to our attention yesterday. The hour is late, but WE MUST TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION!
It does not matter where you live. Ohio’s vote today endangers everyone in every state in the Union, so we must pressure Ohio lawmakers to discard this disastrous legislative effort.
Thirty-two (32) other states have already called for a Con Con (allegedly to add a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution). 34 states are all that is required, and then Congress MUST convene a Convention.
The U.S. Constitution places no restriction on the purposes for which the states can call for a Convention. If Ohio votes to call a Con Con, for whatever purpose, the United States will be only one state away from total destruction. And it’s a safe bet that those who hate this nation, and all She stands for, are waiting to pounce upon this opportunity to re-write our Constitution. We dare slumber no longer; we must take immediate action to preserve this nation!
Certainly all loyal Americans want government constrained by a balanced budget. But calling a Con Con risks a revolutionary change in our form of government. The ultimate outcome will likely be a new constitution; one that would possibly eliminate the Article 1 restriction to the coinage of real money or even eliminate gun or property rights. So what may look like a good idea to the legislators driving this effort - all Republicans - will certainly make them prey to the law of unintended consequences - at the very least insuring the U.S. will never have a balanced budget - while destroying what vestiges of liberty the government still allows.
You may have heard that some of those 32 states have voted to rescind their calls. This is true. However, under Article V of the Constitution, Congress must call a Constitutional Convention whenever 2/3 (or 34) of the states apply. The Constitution makes no provision for rescission. We’ve been told advocates of the convention are waiting to capture just two more states - Ohio, and one other. They can then challenge the other states’ rescissions in the courts while going ahead with the Convention. Congress alone then decides whether state legislatures or state conventions ratify proposed amendments.
You may have heard the states can control the subject of any convention. In truth no restrictive language from any state can legally limit the scope or outcome of a Convention! Once a Convention is called Congress determines how the delegates to the Convention are chosen. Once chosen, those Convention delegates possess more power than the U.S. Congress itself; if it were not so they would not be able to change the U.S. Constitution!
We have not had a Constitutional Convention since 1787. That Convention was called to make small changes in the Articles of Confederation. As a point of fact, several states first passed resolutions requiring their delegates discuss amendments to the Articles ONLY, forbidding even discussion of foundational changes. However, following the delegates’ first agreement that their meetings be in secret, their second act was to agree to debate those state restrictions and to declare the Articles of Confederation NULL AND VOID! They also changed the ratification process, reducing the required states’ approval from 100% to 75%. There is no reason to believe a contemporary Con Con wouldn’t further “modify” Article V restrictions to suit its purpose.
As former Chief Justice Warren Burger said in a letter written to Phyllis Schlafly, President of Eagle Forum:
“…there is no effective way to limit or muzzle the actions of a Constitutional Convention. The convention could make its own rules and set its own agenda. Congress might try to limit the convention to one amendment or to one issue, but there is no way to assure that the convention would obey. After a convention is convened, it will be too late to stop the convention if we don’t like its agenda. The meeting in 1787 ignored the limit placed by the confederation Congress…” (emphasis mine)
We were blessed in 1787; the Con Con delegates were the leaders of a freedom movement that had just cleansed this land of tyranny.
Today’s corrupt politicians and judges would like nothing better than the ability to legally ignore the Constitution - to modify its “problematic” provisions to reflect the philosophical and socials mores of our contemporary society.
The majority of U.S. voters just elected a dedicated leftist as President. Republicans are at their weakest right now! This is a horrible time to try such a crazy scheme. We cannot control the debate right now! Don’t for one second doubt that delegates to a Con Con wouldn’t revise the 1st Amendment into a government-controlled privilege, replace the 2nd Amendment with a “collective” right to self-defense, and abolish the 4th, 5th, and 10th Amendments, and the rest of the Bill of Rights. Additions could include the non-existent Separation of Church and State, the “right” to abortion and euthanasia, and much, much more.
Our uniquely and purely American concept of individual rights, endowed by our Creator, would be quickly set aside as an anachronistic relic of a bygone era; replaced by new “collective” rights, awarded and enforced by government for the “common good”.
The problems our nation faces are not a result of deficiencies in our Constitution; rather, they are the direct result of our disregard for that divinely-inspired document of liberty.
There is no challenge faced by this nation that cannot be solved either by enforcing existing law, or in limited cases, by writing new law. We do not need, AND MUST NOT RISK THE LIBERTY OF THE UNITED STATES with, a Constitutional Convention!
Ohio must not vote for a Con Con! We cannot control the debate! And state #34 is likely sitting silently in the wings, ready to act with lightning speed, sealing the fate of our once great nation before we can prevent it.
Stop the Ohio bill and we can stop the Constitutional Convention.
ACTION TO TAKE
We need only stop the House bill, HJR8, sponsored by Representative Louis Blessing, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee (there is a Senate bill too).
1. Call Chairman Blessing’s office and tell his staff you oppose a Constitutional Convention and you want this process stopped.
Tell them this is the most dangerous time ever to call for such a convention.
Tell them no one can control the debate or outcome of a Con Con.
Representative Louis Blessing
Phone: (614) 466-9091
Fax: (614) 719-3583
Email: district29@ohr.state.oh.us
2. Call Representative Bill Batchelder. He is a very good man. I’ve known him for years. But he has been misled on this issue. The word is he is wavering. Your calls can convince him to withdraw his support. That can kill this bill.
Representative Bill Batchelder
Phone: (614) 466-8140
Fax: (614) 719-3969
Email: district69@ohr.state.oh.us
3. It is URGENT that you make your calls right now. The bill could be voted on as early as this afternoon (Wednesday).
I’m so sorry for this late notice. We just found out about this last night.
Please get this message out far and wide. This task requires our very best effort! E-mail and call your friends, family and neighbors. Network anywhere and everywhere possible. If you know someone who never takes action, encourage them to break that habit this one time. Our Constitution is under assault!
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no...no...there are far more red states, and they’d require those red states to change anything.
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What you say is true. Oddly, had Virginia wished to retain the “right’ to own humans as property, all they had to do was lay down their arms and rejoin the Union. There was no objection to slavery in the North except for some Quakers and others. Certainly Lincoln had not stated any objection to the vile institution until the war was well into it’s second year. It was a political move for him more so than any moral conviction.
Motivations to fight for the North in the majority of cases, were to preserve the Union, not end slavery. That came later. In the South, at least 80% of the men fighting, had no slaves nor had any interest in it.
Virginia, for example, had outlawed the import of any more slaves to the colony immediately after declaring its independence from England, several days before even joining the other colonies in their revolt.
Virginians, especially slave owners, had long been in favor of freeing the slaves. The lack of any realistic plan on how to do that and protect the citizens and communities from the after effects.
I don’t have data at hand on the population of slaves in 1860 Virginia, but it has to have been greater than 100,000 souls. Were they to given freedom all of a sudden, where would they go? What would they do? A certain number would gain employment from their former masters to be sure, but not all.
Though I don’t condone it, I can understand their concern given the era they were living in, and contemporary thinking at the time.
I believe you are correct though, the outcome of such a horrible contest might turn out much different this time around. God please help us avoid such a disaster, but give us strength to prevail should there be no alternative.
As for liberal glee at our departure, who would pay all of their taxes? Who would they have to “rule” if not for us? Themselves? I just can’t see that happening, not nearly as satisfying.
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