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U S Two States Away from Constitutional Convention
Christian Worldview Network ^ | 12/11/08 | Tom DeWeese

Posted on 12/11/2008 5:28:28 AM PST by GWMcClintock

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To: 1rudeboy

How many states and which ones?..........

Good question as the data isn’t readily available it seems. However what I’ve found is that at some point there were 32 states approving a call for a con-con on the balanced budget amendment. But 8 have reversed their call....

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http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-29177605_ITM

Over the years, states have petitioned Congress to call a convention for various specified purposes. As recently as 1983, the country came close to holding the second constitutional convention in its history when Missouri became the 32nd state (34 were needed) petitioning Congress to call a convention for the stated purpose of drafting an amendment to balance the federal budget. Since that time, however, eight of the 32 states have withdrawn their applications for a “balanced budget” convention.
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I guess one key is that if a con-con was called there still remains a need for 38 [75%] of the states to ratify any actions they take towards amending the existing constitution.


52 posted on 12/11/2008 6:35:07 AM PST by deport
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To: Finalapproach29er

No thanks, they can all go back to Maine where they mostly come from.


53 posted on 12/11/2008 6:36:41 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: stockpirate

Of course none of this HAS to succeed. The 47% of us who did not vote for the Marxist Onada do not have to just roll over and allow this coup—that is what is happening folks—to succeed. Despite all the things you may have signed in your life denouncing revolution as a means of redressing political imbalances, revolution is not unconstitutional.

I would like to know to what extent voter fraud was responsible for The Messiah’s “election”. Even from the little bit the MSM reported on the subject we know that fraud was rampant. Heck, the dems are still trying to cheat their way to upsetting the Coleman election.

And do we hear anything about this from Sen. Bipartisan McCain or any Pubbies—allegedly real conservatives let alone the RINOs. We hear nothing.


54 posted on 12/11/2008 6:39:24 AM PST by dools007
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To: Spktyr

Deo Vindice= God will vindicate, this is the motto displayed on the Great Seal of the Confederate States of America


55 posted on 12/11/2008 6:40:52 AM PST by Rearden (Deo Vindice)
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To: Biggirl
All this could lead to a second civil war errupting in this country

highly unlikely. you need young blood for that. population is already dumbed down via public education takover long time back. more younger the dumber.

56 posted on 12/11/2008 6:41:22 AM PST by sanatan2000
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To: GWMcClintock

Sorry for my lack of knowledge on this subject, but can someone help by explaining this more.

It appears that it is referring to balancing the budget, does anyone have the bill number? I read in an earlier post that there is some controversy whether this ConCon can effect more than just one issue? So, once the ConCOn is authorized, they can amend other bills as well, is that right?

I’ve seem to have missed this on the MSM - TV/Web. Has this been discussed via Media?

Thanks for filling me in on the details.


57 posted on 12/11/2008 6:41:42 AM PST by HollyB
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To: Spktyr

Deo Vindice= God will vindicate, this is the motto displayed on the Great Seal of the Confederate States of America


58 posted on 12/11/2008 6:43:37 AM PST by Rearden (Deo Vindice)
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To: 2Wheels
“...I just can’t wait for where all this is heading!”

Can you say REVOLUTION?

Patriots are arming themselves at an alarming rate. So much an increase in sales that the Communist Muslim Zero has made a point to come out and say (paraphrase) “You don't need to buy all these guns and ammo, don't worry, I'm not going to take them away.” Alarm!! Buy as many good guns as you can and more ammo than you can afford. Make up for it by cutting out cable or eating out over-priced restaurants.

While at my favorite gun shop yesterday I witnessed guys backing up to the back door and loading cases of ammo. The bumper stickers on the trucks that filled the parking lot left no imagination as to how the buyer's feel about the 0’s intentions.

59 posted on 12/11/2008 6:44:45 AM PST by panaxanax ("Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those that don't." T.Jefferson)
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To: GWMcClintock

I can’t think of anything worse than the American Left writing a new constitution.


60 posted on 12/11/2008 6:45:50 AM PST by popdonnelly (Don't lose sight of your conservative principles.)
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To: Dead Corpse

“My Rights are not “up for grabs”. Anyone trying to do any “grabbing” is in for a pretty bad shock.”

I agree. I am and will remain free one way or another.


61 posted on 12/11/2008 6:45:53 AM PST by GoDuke
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To: rarestia; Dead Corpse; Smokin' Joe

See 49, for what an actual con-con might look like.


62 posted on 12/11/2008 6:46:17 AM PST by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: Rearden

This time, there is no morally-reprehensible widespread conduct in the South that the North could use to form a moral crusade against it. “Confiscate the guns” doesn’t quite have the ring of “Free The Slaves”, on top of which, minorities have greater opportunity here in the South (as a whole) than anywhere else anyway.

The liberals should be *happy* to see us go. They don’t want us anyway.


63 posted on 12/11/2008 6:52:04 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Travis McGee
/shock...

The funny part is I've seen this on the writing on the walls about the bailout of the newspapers and media (though subsequent ownership of the media by the goverment... I didn't think about it being that overt) The rest though... it really scares me.

(The ironic part I'm a communication major hoping to graduate before all hell break lose and hoping that I won't have to suck it up and work for a newspaper of the liberal kind. I don't that's going to happen, but oh well.)

64 posted on 12/11/2008 6:52:14 AM PST by Toki ("Palin Pingers" Freepmail Liberity Rocks or me to get on the list today!)
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To: GWMcClintock
I came across this yesterday, it is an excerpt. I was researching presidential proclamation 2040 established by FDR....

Law and Antilaw Copyright © 1995 Constitution Society. Permission is granted to copy with attribution for noncommercial purposes. From Constitution to Emergency Rule The establishment of the U.S. Constitution in 1789 and its Bill of Rights in 1791 was a fundamental innovation in jurisprudence. It introduced the first constitutional republic, with a written constitution that superseded the Common Law that preceded it, while incorporating that part of the Common Law not in conflict with it, and provided that all subsequent statutory law and official acts must be based on its provisions and not in conflict with it. Any statute or official act not so based, or in such conflict with it, was to be considered unconstitutional, and null and void from inception. Unfortunately, despite the nominal commitment to compliance with the Constitution, legislators and officials have failed to comply with it in many instances. Most of these instances were justified as necessary to deal with perceived crises, especially war and depression. Some of these instances include the Dick Act of 1903 and the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. But perhaps the most important was the Emergency Banking Act of March 9, 1933, and particularly its amendment to the Trading with the Enemy Act of October 6, 1917, and its ratification of such executive orders as the Proclamation 2040 by President Roosevelt issued on March 6, 1933, sometimes called the Emergency and War Powers order. This act, codified as 12 USC 95(b), effectively declared the Constitution suspended and conferred dictatorial powers on the President, a situation which continues to this day. Following this there was a long train of unconstitutional legislation and executive orders, made possible by intimidation of the federal courts. Although some reference to provisions of the Constitution was made to justify them, especially an expanded interpretation of "interstate commerce", it is argued [by some] that what was really done was suspension of the Constitution as the "Supreme Law of the Land" and the extension of the "Law of the Sea" over the land, making all federal courts admiralty courts, under the executive authority of the President. The "Law of the Sea" is a branch of Common Law under which the President and admiralty courts exercise essentially dictatorial powers, akin to martial law. Under this assumed authority, the U.S. Congress, the President, and the federal courts have extended their powers and jurisdiction far beyond the limits imposed on them under the Constitution, in violation of the 10th Amendment.

Senate Report 93-549, written in 1973, said "Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency." It goes on to say: "A majority of the people of the United States have lived all their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of National emergency.

In the United States, actions taken by government in times of great crisis have ... in important ways shaped the present phenomenon of a permanent state of National emergency."... "These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of federal law. These hundreds of statutes delegate to the President extraordinary powers, ordinarily exercised by Congress, which affect the lives of American citizens in a host of all-encompassing manners. This vast range of powers, taken together, confer enough authority to rule this country without reference to normal constitutional process. "Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens." The problem, of course, is that the Constitution does not provide for its own suspension, under some Rule of Necessity, only for temporary suspension of the right of habeas corpus, nor does Congress have such emergency and war powers or the power to delegate them to the President. Such a doctrine of "emergency rule" is a legalistic façade, perhaps providing a defense against summary judgement by a lawful court, but not providing true legal authority. The Constitution is not just the Supreme Law of the Land, but of all operations of the institutions it establishes, as agents of the People, including those at sea and those involving the laws of nations, forbidding them to exercise any powers not specifically delegated to them, in any field of action. A difficulty for this regime is that the vast majority of people in and out of government are unaware of such emergency rule. As far as they are concerned, the Constitution is still in full force and effect. Many of them continue to take an oath to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Some of them are aware of their role as militiamen, as defenders of the State and its Constitution, with a duty to not only obey the Constitution and constitutional laws, but to do what they can to enforce them as well, singly or in concert with one another.

For more information contact: Constitution Society 6900 San Pedro #147-230, San Antonio, TX 78216, 210/224-2868V

65 posted on 12/11/2008 6:52:23 AM PST by Born In America (Warning: Use liberals only under close conservative supervision.....)
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To: The Anti-One

my god...i was thinking the same thing! i was just watching Batman last night and this thread is the scene where the Joker tries to shoot the mayor and everyone is running around screaming...hahah!! wow...


66 posted on 12/11/2008 6:53:04 AM PST by MountainWoman
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To: Travis McGee

I predicted this scenario 2 months ago regarding the repeal of the 22nd amendment limiting the Presaident of the maximum of two terms. This is even go farther than I thought.


67 posted on 12/11/2008 6:53:15 AM PST by techno
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To: rigelkentaurus
"ok - then what happens? Does each state then get to vote on the new constitution?

Yes they do. And it requires 2/3 majority for approval, if I remember correctly.

Nobody is going to bother with a Con Con unless they think it will be approved.
68 posted on 12/11/2008 6:54:15 AM PST by indthkr
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To: rigelkentaurus

The left will NEVER let you “go your separate way”.

WE would let them go in a heartbeat if they asked.

But their whole ideology centers around them “knowing better” and controlling your life.

If conservatives tried to secede from their control, they would use the full force of government, including military power, to make sure you couldn’t get out from under their control.


69 posted on 12/11/2008 6:55:44 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: GWMcClintock

Is there an expiration date for each state that calls for a CC, or does it last forever?

for instance, lets say NJ called for a CC 4 years ago is it still viable, or does it sunset after a period of time?


70 posted on 12/11/2008 6:56:32 AM PST by Vaquero ( "an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Dead Corpse
My Rights are not “up for grabs”.

Nor are mine, my FRiend, nor those of my family, nor those of my church.

71 posted on 12/11/2008 6:57:51 AM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

does each state get one vote at the Con-Con? I would like to know how it all works. I would like to take out the part just because a woman drops her baby in our dirty the kid is automatically a citizen.


72 posted on 12/11/2008 6:58:37 AM PST by ignorancerunsrampant
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To: GWMcClintock
In its effort to scare the bejesus out of everyone, the article glosses over one signifcant Constitutional prerequisite to the amendment of the Constitution: Whether proposed by two-thirds of both Houses of Congress or by Constitutional Convention, each proposed amendment to the Constitution must also be "ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress." See U.S. Const., Article V.
73 posted on 12/11/2008 7:01:26 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Campion

Well, that’s good to know. Anyone have more details on the laws/procedures regarding a convention?
I have always expected a future Supreme Court would just rule the constitution unconstitutional and rewrite it the way they do everything else. Then,, we would watch as all the Dems celebrated and talked about the boldness of the court,, talking heads would weep on camera,,, RINO’s and a lot of other Republicans would just throw up their hands and say “We may not agree, but we respect the courts opinion.”


74 posted on 12/11/2008 7:02:15 AM PST by freemike (Alas, how many have been persecuted for the wrong of having been right? --Jean-Baptiste Say)
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To: GWMcClintock

A Constitutional Convention would be a REALLY BAD THING in the current situation.
The idiots would probably find that all people (including illegal aliens) have a right to food, shelter, medical care and entertainment, then try to re-write the Constitution to to include this.
They would probably also put in a “Hate Crimes” (aka “Thought Crimes”) provision as well. Hate Crimes would, no doubt, include denying Global Warming and insulting Islam.
I’d hate to see what the Envirocommies would write into the new Constitution...
Naturally, self-defense and the RKBA would NOT be rights any longer.

Nope. No convention. Bad idea.


75 posted on 12/11/2008 7:05:14 AM PST by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: Larry - Moe and Curly
IIRC Florida is one of the states originally calling for a con-con but later rescinded it's vote. However there has been some discussion as to the constitutionality of the vote to rescind.

A con-con is the nuke of platforms to Amend or junk the entire document.

Here is a quote from the textbook that I use in my Honors American Government class on the subject:

The Constitution provides that a national convention requested by the legislatures of two-thirds of the states can propose a constitutional amendment. Congress has received some 400 convention applications since the Constitution was ratified; every state has applied at least once. Less than 20 applications were submitted during the Constitutions first 100 years, but more than 150 have been filed in the last two decades. No national convention has been held since 1787 and many national political and judicial leaders are uneasy about the prospect of convening a body that conceivably do as the Constitutional Convention did -- create a new form of government. The state legislative bodies that originate national conventional applications, however, appear not to be uncomfortable with such a constitutional modification process; more than 230 state constitutional conventions have been held.

76 posted on 12/11/2008 7:05:42 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Travis McGee

Yeah... They try that anywhere outside a novel and there will be gun-fire. That’d push the fringe over the edge so fast it’d be a “tsunami” all right, one that leads right into CWII.


77 posted on 12/11/2008 7:06:34 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: GWMcClintock

As far as I can tell from a quick looksee, this originally came from here:

http://www.americanpolicy.org/sledgehammer/twostates.htm

So far, I haven’t been able to see a list of which State legislatures have actually voted for a Con Con. So, my BS detector is arcing.


78 posted on 12/11/2008 7:07:19 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: GWMcClintock

The Constitution’s primary function was to establish and subsequently severely restrict the powers of the federal government. It has failed to do this, primarily because it has been betrayed by those sworn to uphold and defend it. Maybe a Constitutional Convention would be a good thing, if only we are able to accept the reality that the US Constitution is almost completely irrelevant anymore.


79 posted on 12/11/2008 7:11:43 AM PST by rottndog (Government is a necessary Evil, but as with all evils, the less of it the better.)
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To: Larry - Moe and Curly

Everyone from these states should contact their representatives and tell them to rescind their state’s call immediately.


80 posted on 12/11/2008 7:12:29 AM PST by pepperdog (The world has gone crazy.)
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To: Travis McGee

Awright, that’s scary.

I assume you wrote that very recently.

And I assume you’ll be publishing it very soon - before it all plays out for real.


81 posted on 12/11/2008 7:12:57 AM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: Larry - Moe and Curly

Ah, an anti-semitic, 9/11 Truther website. No credibility.


82 posted on 12/11/2008 7:14:52 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Spktyr

“In that case and if that happens, it’s time to unhitch Texas from the Federal wagon and go our own way”

Well I’ll be moving to Texas.

Do you allow folks to own firearms? :-)


83 posted on 12/11/2008 7:15:13 AM PST by stockpirate (Rush, Sean, Laura, Mark, Ann - MIA concerning COLB, Obama got them scared!)
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To: mkjessup

“Millions upon millions of firearms and ammo, buried way back in the hills from sea to shining sea, will have the last word on ‘how’ or ‘if’ our Constitution is rewritten.”

You gonna shoot first, or are you gonna wait for them to knock on your door?

I hear alot of talk (and facts) of civil war and of a revolution and of gun sales out the roof. I have quite a number of guns myself. (I’m on your side)
The question is, if we wait for the zer0 imposter muslim’s militia to knock on our doors - it is too late.
If we wait for this grand agenda between Islam and the UN and zer0 and rewriting/throwing out of the US Constitution, then we are too late.
Ummmmm - I’m thinking it is just about too late. I hate to sound like a jerk here (pessimistic), but if 30 some states are already signed up for the con con (as in we are being conned), it is only a matter of time before a couple more states are bullied into signing up for it.

We are good at talking, but how did the 30 some states sign up for this without stronger resistance from active conservatives? WE are LETTING this happen right under our noses......

Even the Supreme Court is laying down like a wet rag at the thought of confrontation over the most grand LIE to ever come upon the US. The grand lie: A big zer0.


84 posted on 12/11/2008 7:16:54 AM PST by 2Wheels
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To: SunkenCiv

Forgive my off topic ping but I think people on your ping lists may have some interest in this topic.

If not, sorry.


85 posted on 12/11/2008 7:17:14 AM PST by stockpirate (Rush, Sean, Laura, Mark, Ann - MIA concerning COLB, Obama got them scared!)
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To: stockpirate

Um, yeah. The ownership of firearms is highly encouraged. No registration of firearms with police is required, and there is no FOID card of any sort. Private sales are unregulated. :D


86 posted on 12/11/2008 7:17:28 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: indthkr
Nobody is going to bother with a Con Con unless they think it will be approved.

Nobody thought Congress would spontaniously spend (read: give away) a trillion dollars.

This stuff can move very fast - especially when carefully orchestrated behind the scenes for a long time. With enough hysteria - as Travis depicted - a lot can happen very fast.

87 posted on 12/11/2008 7:18:37 AM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: Vaquero

Looks like >25 states have standing calls for a con-con. Those calls have been standing for a LONG time, as early as the ‘70s.


88 posted on 12/11/2008 7:19:44 AM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: stockpirate

This is the first I heard of this too.


89 posted on 12/11/2008 7:20:22 AM PST by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: Spktyr

“If they want to try conclusions again, guess who has all the industrial base AND the agriculture AND the energy AND the guns this time around?”

The southern states? The Bible belt? Do we have a winner? ;)


90 posted on 12/11/2008 7:20:36 AM PST by ync1994
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To: rigelkentaurus

No, the current constitution will continue to be the law of the land until the new constitution is ratified. I am not sure, but I think it must be ratified by at least 60% of the state legislatures before it will become the new law.

Either way, I feel pretty certain that Civil War II would break out before the new United Social States of Amerika (USSA) was formed. And if not, it won’t be because I didn’t try to start it!!!!


91 posted on 12/11/2008 7:21:31 AM PST by ExTxMarine (For whatsoe'ver their sufferings were before; that change they covet makes them suffer more. -Dryden)
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To: rwfromkansas

“Obama becomes president-elect and this place is now loonier than a nuthouse.”

Please don’t say we are nuts for being worried about this. Even if we may not know all the in’s and out’s of a constitutional convention, we are smart enough to know the possible outcome, given the dumbed-down populace and our current elected officials!


92 posted on 12/11/2008 7:23:19 AM PST by ync1994
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To: Kathy in Alaska; rabscuttle385

Please forgive the off topic ping but I think your ping lists will find this very important.


93 posted on 12/11/2008 7:24:38 AM PST by stockpirate (Rush, Sean, Laura, Mark, Ann - MIA concerning COLB, Obama got them scared!)
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To: Between the Lines
Constitutional scholars are divided as to whether such a convention would be limited to the one subject for which it was summoned or whether delegates could expand the agenda as they might see fit.

For some reason, this made me think of The Second Vatican Council. Scary.

94 posted on 12/11/2008 7:25:16 AM PST by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan. Pray the Rosary)
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To: ExTxMarine

3/4 of the state legislatures must ratify any amendments or new constitution.

There would be a splitup. And it would be the leftists that would insist that we be under their control. They will NOT let you live your life in piece outside of their control.


95 posted on 12/11/2008 7:26:31 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Retired COB

“Plans” are like strategy during a fight: everyone has one until they are punched in the face and then everything changes!

The problem is that all these lobbyist will be allowed to have their “input” into our new constitution and even worse all the D@MN lawyers!

Arms will be the only acceptable solution to this Constitution crisis, IMO!


96 posted on 12/11/2008 7:28:51 AM PST by ExTxMarine (For whatsoe'ver their sufferings were before; that change they covet makes them suffer more. -Dryden)
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To: savedbygrace

“...my BS detector is arcing.”

So is mine....and I’m seeing a ton of knee-jerk reactions and not a lot of substance.


97 posted on 12/11/2008 7:31:23 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: stockpirate; Kathy in Alaska; bamahead; traviskicks; calcowgirl; indylindy; roamer_1; Liz; ...

FYI all, this appears to be legit.


98 posted on 12/11/2008 7:40:16 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: indthkr
And it requires 2/3 majority for approval, if I remember correctly.

A constitutional convention requires three fourths of the states approval (presently 38 of 50) as the minimum necessary to ratify. See Article V.

99 posted on 12/11/2008 7:41:06 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

I agree with you, as will most of the FReepers, but the issue with your statement is that Senator Obama, along with most liberals, believes that those are “negative” rights! And they want a new constitution that says what the government must do to you..uh...er..I mean FOR you! Freudian slip of the fingers!

This is the inherent problem with every new law and idea that comes out of EVERY politician. They write laws to make a stringent point, but laws cannot cover every single possible outcome and therefore they create the very thing they are trying to eliminate: loopholes! I used to think this was accidental, but it is way to common today and therefore MUST be intentional.

Our “new” constitution would be fraught with more loopholes, double-meaning, backwards junk than what the worst liberal leaning nut-job can decipher and congeal from our current one! God help us all, we are going to need all the over site we can get!


100 posted on 12/11/2008 7:42:35 AM PST by ExTxMarine (For whatsoe'ver their sufferings were before; that change they covet makes them suffer more. -Dryden)
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