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California Set to Adopt Sweeping Global Warming Plan
NewsMax ^ | 12/11/08

Posted on 12/11/2008 7:42:36 AM PST by Sammy67

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To: alloysteel

Well put. Here’s a similar set of numbers that I put together on another posting. The idea is to put the numbers in a context that ANYONE can grasp the insignificance of the CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere...

One of the biggest problems we ‘deniers’ face is that few real facts are ever given by the AGW crowd. This is intentional, of course. For instance, they throw around labels like ‘green’ and ‘clean’ but never define them. It can be demonstrated that the atmosphere is ‘cleaner’ today that it has been in decades (in the U.S.), if not centuries (parts of Europe). How can something like CO2, necessary for life itself, be labeled ‘dirty’? It boggles the mind.

I’ve come up with (what I think is) a simple, understandable-by-anyone concept to explain why folks should stop being ‘afraid’ of Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere.

Here’s the line of thinking:

What are the molecules that compose air? Name them in order of most-to-least abundant. [By the way, few folks will get any of this right without looking it up.]

Nitrogen, Oxygen, Water, Argon, Carbon Dioxide, and Other.

If you take a random (or average) sampling of 10,000 molecules of air and assume that each molecule is worth a penny, approximately how much would each of the different components of the air be worth?

(Note: 10,000 pennies is the same as $100.00. If you couch the discussion in dollars and cents rather than, say, PPM - folks will have an easier time grasping the numbers. Even a second grader understands completely the difference between a $20. bill and 4 pennies.)

Nitrogen: $77.00
Oxygen: $20.00 (animals NEED this to live)
Water: $ 2.00 (this is the ‘real’ GHG)
Argon: $ 0.95 (that’s right, 25x the amount of CO2)
CO2: 4 cents (plants NEED this to live)
Other: 1 penny

As you’ve heard, Humans have pumped MASSIVE amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere, yet it only makes up 4 cents of the entire $100.00 of the atmosphere. (That’s 4 CO2 molecules per 10,000 air molecules). How much of these 4 cents worth of CO2 has been added by Humans?

1 penny. (280ppm to 380ppm)

Let’s say that Humans had subtracted a penny’s worth of CO2 from the $100.00 worth of our entire atmosphere, instead of adding CO2. What would be the impact?

Plants would be severly impacted and dying.

There are many more points that can be made. For instance, if we continue to pump out CO2, we can probably only push the concentration of CO2 to about 5-6 cent’s worth. Also, the threshold level of CO2 above which the MSDS suggests CO2 becomes a problem for workers is 50 cents worth (5000ppm) - more than 10x the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.

Anyhow, you get the idea.
Feel free to steal the concept, if you find it useful...

51 posted on 12/11/2008 8:41:04 AM PST by cheee (Vegetarian: Old Indian word for 'bad hunter'...)
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To: BelegStrongbow
Fascism, where they can tell the utility bosses what to do and then blame them when it all goes to disaster.

Actually, they already do that. Power plants are told when to run, when to stop operations, & how much power to produce. If they don't produce the amount required, they are fined - and have to explain why. If they have an unplanned outage, they have to explain what happened and why. And all to an outside agency! They have a strangehold on power plants. It's much cheaper to produce electricity outside the state.
52 posted on 12/11/2008 8:45:01 AM PST by CottonBall
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To: Sammy67

Like they say, “Timing is everything.” It’s supposed to snow in Southern California this coming week. If they weren’t just so darned cute, it would be easier to put them up for adoption or in a home where they couldn’t hurt themselves or anyone else.

53 posted on 12/11/2008 8:46:43 AM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: EggsAckley

Spare the airheads.. I was all set to fire up yesterday and said, I better check. Damn.. My m-i-l and cat and dog are not happy with this crap... nothing like a nice fire to curl the whickers and warm the old bones.

my immediate neighbors burn too, so.. we’ll see..

54 posted on 12/11/2008 8:48:54 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed)
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To: NormsRevenge

I would be having a major amount of trouble handling the situation you’re in. It’s really getting scary. And now I hear they’re including Santa Cruz County in their announcements.

Hope is changes for you soon.

55 posted on 12/11/2008 8:53:37 AM PST by EggsAckley (,)
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To: CottonBall

“What areas of Texas are better?”

Depends on what you do for a living. I’m in oil and gas so Houston is home base for me. As for property taxes, the initial cost and valuation is so much lower than California that the total cost of owning a house is lower and we don’t have an income tax (yet). I retired from the Coast Guard in Galveston and have been employed in Houston ever since. Texas is 5 distinct geographical regions, gulf coast, piney woods, hill country, west texas (Desert), and the panhandle. California is 3, so you get to pick what you want if you are retired. As for illegals, North Carolina and other non border states have just as much problems, at least in Tejas, we all get along.

56 posted on 12/11/2008 8:59:13 AM PST by dblshot
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To: EggsAckley

The coming rainy weather will let folks burn a lot.. it is looking to be colder than heck too ,, soooo... I have a fresh load of red oak to test burn.. hate to have it just sit there and rot away. like our forests ;-)

57 posted on 12/11/2008 9:03:29 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed)
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To: Sammy67; FrPR; enough_idiocy; Desdemona; rdl6989; Little Bill; IrishCatholic; Normandy; Delacon; ...

Beam me to Planet Gore !

58 posted on 12/11/2008 9:05:55 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: NormsRevenge

Well, if you’re ever desperate for some dry oak, don’t forget about me. I’ve got 70 cords. I would never want to hear that you’re cold for lack of dry wood.

59 posted on 12/11/2008 9:07:27 AM PST by EggsAckley (,)
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To: Sammy67

I’m pleased that they are the guinea pigs of Amereica. This will end any speculation as to the cost of “green” when BamBam is bailing their sorry asses out of total financial crises.

60 posted on 12/11/2008 12:54:36 PM PST by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: CottonBall

I know what you are saying. I am among those who fled California. What you cite is only one of the myriad reasons why.

I really saddens me to think of all the good people I know back where there. But they seem happy, so who am I to say otherwise?

61 posted on 12/11/2008 7:09:22 PM PST by BelegStrongbow (Sarah has That Vision Thing)
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To: Sammy67

The new plan is not just carbon credits, but also a heavy carbon tax which goes directly into the pockets of the government. You can’t trade your way out of the taxes.

62 posted on 12/11/2008 9:04:28 PM PST by Thunder90
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