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(WA) Lawsuit Challenges Obama's Birthplace (Here's Another One!)
The Spokesman-Review (paper copy) ^ | 12-11-2008 | Richard Roesler

Posted on 12/11/2008 10:11:00 AM PST by lilylangtree

OLYMPIA--Don't look for it to derail the inauguration next month, but people continue to try to stop the presidency of Barack Obama by questioning whether he is a "native born" American.

Thirteen Washington voters last week filed a lawsuit with the state Supreme Court trying to prevent Washington's 11 Electoral College delegates from officially casting their votes for Obama on Dec. 15.

". . . Our efforts to declare the ineligibility of the candidate Barack Hussein Obama for the office of President of the United States have been futile to date," the 13 wrote, saying that they have no choice but to turn to the state's highest court. They want a court order telling state election officials to "set aside" those Obama votes.

A superior court judge in King County rejected a similar challenge shortly before the election, and the U.S. Supreme court this week dismissed without comment a nearly identical case filed in New Jersey.

In every case, the primary allegations are that Obama's Hawaii birth certificate is fake, and that he was secretly born in Kenya. Another key contention is that as a child, he lost his U.S. citizenship while living briefly in Indonesia. (Similar allegations were raised about GOP candidate John McCain, who was born into a military family stationed in the Panama Canal Zone.

"The state's position is that the secretary of state has neither the authority nor the requirement to investigate the candidates' qualifications for president and vice president," said Dave Ammons, spokesman for Washington's top elections official, Secretary of State Sam Reed.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 911truthers; bho2008; birthcertificate; blackhelicopters; certifigate; conspiracykooks; rinobait; tinfoilhats
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Hope more lawsuits surface. I'm surprised this even made the paper copy. MSM is doing it's best not to report anything negative of their golden boy, osama hussein.
1 posted on 12/11/2008 10:11:01 AM PST by lilylangtree
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To: lilylangtree
In every case, the primary allegations are that Obama's Hawaii birth certificate is fake, and that he was secretly born in Kenya.

Not true. The D'onofrio case had nothing to do with a birth certificate.

2 posted on 12/11/2008 10:14:48 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Inspiration: The momentary cessation of stupidity.)
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To: lilylangtree

Waste of time and money at this point since these will be tossed at the lowest levels of the judiciary, based upon this week’s SCOTUS decisions refusing to hear the cases.


3 posted on 12/11/2008 10:14:55 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: lilylangtree

I wish ALL these lawsuits were worded “BHO must prove he is eligible” rather than we prove he’s not....


4 posted on 12/11/2008 10:15:23 AM PST by Minnesoootan
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To: lilylangtree

I am assuming suits have been filed against past presidents-elect.

If so, my question is have more suits been filed protesting this president-elect than in the past?


6 posted on 12/11/2008 10:20:08 AM PST by hoe_cake (" 'We the people' tell the government what to do, it doesn't tell us." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Minnesoootan
Some Hawaii state agencies do not accept the “Certification of Live Birth”, which is all Obama has produced (and it is questioned) as irrefutable verification of Hawaiian birth. There have been numerous cases when the Hawaii Family Court System required more detailed data for paternity suits. Additionally, the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands provides the following guidelines to Hawaiian natives applying for Hawaiian Home Lands homestead: The primary documents used to show you are of age and a qualified native Hawaiian are: - A certified copy of Certificate of Birth; - A certified copy of Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, including testimonies; or - A certified copy of Certificate of Delayed Birth. “In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.”
7 posted on 12/11/2008 10:24:00 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: lilylangtree

The more the merrier.


8 posted on 12/11/2008 10:28:29 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Technically, he’s not the President elect until the electoral college votes. Maybe SCOTUS has no authority until then. Who knows. We’ll just have to wait and see.


9 posted on 12/11/2008 10:30:30 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

That was the impression I got from the Berg case.


10 posted on 12/11/2008 10:36:22 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek

Me too. I guess that technically, Obama is in “limbo” until the 15th.


11 posted on 12/11/2008 10:40:45 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

You are either not paying attention, a keyboard commando naysayer in the RINO “let’s move on” mold or you are an Obot.

Berg’s case was expected to be tossed. Leo’s case was messy due to fraud in NJ and Cort’s case (essentially written by Leo) was stronger than Leo’s (first) case.

If Scalia had felt Cort’s case was just a rehash of Leo’s - it would have never been scheduled for the full court tomorrow. Leo and others think Scalia and possibly Thomas felt Cort’s case was cleaner and stronger than Leo’s (first) case. Leo had little time to write up the first case. His second attempt in Cort’s case is much better.


12 posted on 12/11/2008 10:45:56 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: Frantzie
You are either not paying attention, a keyboard commando naysayer in the RINO “let’s move on” mold or you are an Obot.

You're kidding me, right?

The next time you say something this stupid, newbie, you should first check my fairly lengthy posting history.

13 posted on 12/11/2008 10:51:39 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: lilylangtree
This is what a Copy of a Certificate of Live Birth (some data redacted) issued by the State of Hawaii, Department of Health in July 1962 for the Birth of a male child in February 1962 on the Island of Oahu looks like. Note the State of Hawaii, Department of Health official embossed seal and official signatures of the then Director of Health, Leo Bernstein, MD and the then Registrar General, Charles G. Bennett. The State of Hawaii officials’ signatures and the date the document was issued are underlined in red. This document is a photographic copied image. It is a black background document with white letters which clearly were created by a 1962 typewriter. A document similar to this is what most of the lawsuits about the record of birth of Obama are asking to be released for public viewing.

The second image is a copy of the Certification of Live Birth document which has been repeatedly “published” on a number of web sites as the Official version of Obama’s birth record from the State of Hawaii. This is no actual place of birth (hospital, plantation, farm, etc.) shown. See boxes #6a through 6d of the document shown in the first image. There is also no Department of Health official embossed seal on this document.

On November 1, 2008, the following email was send:

To The Honorable Linda Lingle Dear Governor Lingle,

I ask that you release all information that the State of Hawaii Department of Health has on Senator Barack Obama's Certificate of Live Birth documentation.

Certainly over 100 million or so Americans, our countrymen, who will be voting on November 4th, 2008 deserve to have this information be publicly made available to them as part of the information they will weigh concerning a candidate as each of them places their vote for President on or before this date.

I can think of no higher purpose for any government entity or branch, than to ensure full, fair, and accurate information is given about a Presidential candidate.

As you well know, the "COLB" or other documents presented as true copies by the Barack Obama campaign website are false and have been digitally modified. As you must realize, this falsification of a presupposed State of Hawaii "official" record, directly and indirectly damages all State of Hawaii real birth records.

These falsehoods from the Obama campaign are a direct attack on the integrity of your governorship and on the integrity of all records kept by the State of Hawaii.

When you took your oath of Office as Governor of the state of Hawaii, did you not also swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States?

By not addresses this issue how and fully, you are also directly denigrating the official State of Hawaii recognition of the birth record of my son who was born in Hawaii just several months after the date of the record(s) in question.

This issue MUST be answered by the truth. By not addresses this issue, you are not fulfilling your oath of office.

Resident of the State of Hawaii

1960 – 1963

As a response the following statement attributed to the current Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, Chiyome Fukino, MD and the current Registrar General per their joint press release on October 31, 2008 was returned by email: in part: “Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”.

Their complete public statement clearly made no references to the key data to be found in #6 boxes and well as the supporting data as in the #7 boxes in the first image. Box #16 shows the birthplace of the mother. Box #11 shows the birth place of the father. (In the modern secular world this person would also be known as the sperm donor.)

In fact this response by the office of the Governor of the State of Hawaii was a very disingenuous and a fraudulent response to my original query.

If you had the responsibility to investigate, qualify and vet someone who is to be given a United States Military Top Secret, No Foreign Special Access Security Clearance including the nuclear weapons launch control codes, which document of the two images shown would you find acceptable as a genuine State of Hawaii government issued “Record of a Birth” in the State of Hawaii?

You be the Judge (Roberts, Souter, Ginsburg, Scalia, Stevens, Alito, Kenny, Breyer, Thomas). _______________________________ Certificate-of-Live-Birth-Hawaii-1962 Certification-Of-Live-Birth-Obama-1961

14 posted on 12/11/2008 11:01:33 AM PST by NewEnglander
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

checking posting history...

“Waste of time and money at this point since these will be tossed at the lowest levels of the judiciary, based upon this week’s SCOTUS decisions refusing to hear the cases.” - VR

Found - recent post indicating keyboard “naysayerness.”

(Just calling it like I see it.)


15 posted on 12/11/2008 11:07:34 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Ahh...the old “if you do not agree with my RINO rantings of let’s move on you must be a newbie” arguement. Sad.

My guess another sham-nesty McCainiac who is a afriad of the MSM attacking Conservatives who support the Constitution as racists. Bring it on MSM liars.


16 posted on 12/11/2008 11:10:35 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: Triple
Well, you can bury your head in the sand and deny the fact that these cases are going no where fast, in light of SCOTUS' clear signal to lower courts that it is not interested in pursuing the birth certificate issue

OR

you can focus your attention and energy on the Blagojevich-Obama-Rezko corruption syndicate, which is growing real legs, albeit about six weeks too late.

Your choice...

17 posted on 12/11/2008 11:14:18 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: NewEnglander

just out of curiosity, have you heard of anything being made out of the fact that Obama is listed in the COLB As “barack Hussein Obama II, and his father is listed as BHO.

Wouldn’t Obama be a Jr. rather than a II, if he was named after his daddy.

How come we never see Jr or II following his name on anything?


18 posted on 12/11/2008 11:15:31 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: NewEnglander

just out of curiosity, have you heard of anything being made out of the fact that Obama is listed in the COLB As “Barack Hussein Obama II”, and his father is listed as BHO.

Wouldn’t Obama be a Jr. rather than a II, if he was named after his daddy.

How come we never see Jr or II following his name on anything?

(corrected)


19 posted on 12/11/2008 11:16:18 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Frantzie; All; pissant; Jeff Head; indcons; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Red Badger; ...

So, I’m a RINO McCainiac, huh? That’s real funny, coming from a newbie.


20 posted on 12/11/2008 11:18:18 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Dang! N00bs gettin uppity!.............


21 posted on 12/11/2008 11:22:13 AM PST by Red Badger (Never has a man risen so far, so fast and is expected to do so much, for so many, with so little...)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

I can see both issues.

I agree that so far these cases have only gotten a review for consideration by the Supreme Court of The United States of America, which is short of what is needed.

To assert, however, that these cases are “going nowhere” is false. They are undeniably headed to the SCOTUS.

Naysayer.

(Please feel free to focus on the issues that you think are most promising, but do not discourage others from doing the same.)


22 posted on 12/11/2008 11:23:34 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Can’t we all just get along..SCOTUS not hearing case. It is so over.


23 posted on 12/11/2008 11:25:23 AM PST by maineman (If McCain had half of my passion...we'd have won.)
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To: Red Badger
Yep, particularly this one.

"RINO Shamnesty McCainiac"...that's just hysterical.

24 posted on 12/11/2008 11:25:47 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: Triple
At the link below, click on the video on the left titled: “WTP Obama Citizenship Challenge - National Press Club”. It is a 90 minute video but the only video you will see of this conference where the Constitutional issue was discussed. It is important to listen to the ENTIRE video, even if you feel like quiting before it is finished. The questions from the Media present are important to hear at the end of the conference. I hope all will listen and will send the link on to others.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=bob%20schultz%20press%20conference&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GWYF&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv#+

25 posted on 12/11/2008 11:27:37 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: Triple

LOL! Good one. I really admire Americans like Leo, Cort, Orly, and Steve Pidgeon who are trying to efend the Constitution.

The keyboird commando naysayers arguement is either “SCOTUS will do nothing” or “Let’s move on because the news media (MSM) will portray us as kooks/racists, etc etc.”

Well MSM has total contempt for anyone who questions Obama. They are in total spin mode about Blago and how Obama is as clean as the driven snow. In addition, the MSM is dying. NYT, NewsWeak, LA Times and on and on are almost dead. TV networks are also suffering - screw them.

We need to stand up to these criminals now. Hopefully SCOTUS will have enough guts to expose these frauds and criminals by defending the Constitution.


26 posted on 12/11/2008 11:29:29 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: NewEnglander

Good point. Notice in the lower left (rev 11/01) is the govt’s way of saying this formed was revised November 2001 so the certificate of live birth isn’t the original. Also, didn’t the original analysis indicate that there were erasurers even on this form?


27 posted on 12/11/2008 11:32:03 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

No you are wrong or have it reversed. Scalia could have deep sixed Cort’s case after Leo’s was shot down but he didn’t. There is awhole discussion on that. In addition, Steve Pidgeon’s case in WA state is very strong.

Blago’s case and Fitzpatrick? I hope you are right but the MSM news media is spinning Obama as a saint of Chicago. Fitzpatrick is running out of time and unless Blago and Rezko have been singing their heads off then Obama is home free.

Why not foucs on both. The MSM is going to ignore both and cover for Obama. If Fitzpatrick had Obama on videotape killing 3 people - Obama would get a pass.


28 posted on 12/11/2008 11:45:37 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: Frantzie; Virginia Ridgerunner

“My guess another sham-nesty McCainiac who is a afriad of the MSM attacking Conservatives who support the Constitution as racists.”

Hardly. That’s what ‘guessing’ gets you.

As for this birth certificate thing. I can see Obama letting us carry on about this for months and as soon as he’s sworn in he shows the proper one, in order, and makes us ALL look like irredeemable fools.


29 posted on 12/11/2008 11:49:03 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: Frantzie
Wait and see...SCOTUS is NOT going to over turn the results of the election, despite the validity of the birth issue. The signal to the lower courts has already been sent this week, so it's now a dead horse. I wish it were otherwise, but it's just not going to happen.

Time to go after Obama on other Constitutional and political fronts and not throw good resources after bad.

30 posted on 12/11/2008 11:50:43 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: AuntB

the MSM already thinks you or we are fools. Aunt B are you Opie in VA’s little protector or just another OBot? Geez.

Leo’s case as well as parts of Steve Pidgeon’s case do not need a BC. Obama’s father was a British citizen - according to the Constitution O is ineligible.


31 posted on 12/11/2008 11:54:55 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: AuntB

the MSM already thinks you or we are fools. Aunt B are you Opie in VA’s little protector or just another OBot? Geez.

Leo’s case as well as parts of Steve Pidgeon’s case do not need a BC. Obama’s father was a British citizen - according to the Constitution O is ineligible.


32 posted on 12/11/2008 11:55:00 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: Frantzie

Careful, newbie...our AuntB has a ferocious bite when you poke sticks at her.


33 posted on 12/11/2008 11:58:07 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: Frantzie

You could well be right about this BC thing....arguing about it here is worthless.

VA doesn’t need a protector. Now, I was polite, and you got all nasty. We can go there if you want.....but I think we both have better things to do. This is just a big waste of time.

Carry on.


34 posted on 12/11/2008 11:58:51 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: Triple
just out of curiosity, have you heard of anything being made out of the fact that Obama is listed in the COLB As “barack Hussein Obama II, and his father is listed as BHO. Wouldn’t Obama be a Jr. rather than a II, if he was named after his daddy

It's true that JR. is properly applied to the son of a father with the same name, and the numerical designation is applied where the child is named after an uncle or grandfather or some such. But there's no law requiring parents to follow conventions of naming. I'd be surprised if this teenage mother and Kenyan father even knew about such conventions, much less cared. They could have simply thought "II" sounded more important.

35 posted on 12/11/2008 12:03:53 PM PST by Eroteme
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To: lilylangtree

Good point. Notice in the lower left (rev 11/01) is the govt’s way of saying this formed was revised November 2001 so the certificate of live birth isn’t the original. Also, didn’t the original analysis indicate that there were erasurers even on this form?


Another thing is, where it says “Father’s Race African”.
African is not a race. It’s a Nationality.


36 posted on 12/11/2008 12:15:49 PM PST by killerw ("Let his days be few; and let another take his office." (Psalm 109:8).)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

I always love this “newbie” stuff. It is hilarious and pathetic at the same time.

Sad little RINOs.

Carry on.


37 posted on 12/11/2008 12:15:53 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: killerw

But if Kenya was a British Protectorate in 1961, wouldn’t the race “African” be correct?


38 posted on 12/11/2008 12:23:17 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: lilylangtree

You are right! It’s suprising that this one hit the media in the liberal “true blue” State of Washington (where the Democrat Governor stole the 2004 election in court and by repeated re-counts).

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244


39 posted on 12/11/2008 12:38:05 PM PST by real_patriotic_american
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To: lilylangtree

All th clown obama has to do is actually physically and openly produce it, and this could all be over.
I sincerely believe he is not a natural born citizen simply because he will not quell this easily and quickly.


40 posted on 12/11/2008 12:46:44 PM PST by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: real_patriotic_american

Yup! also the political dynamics—the Cascade Mtn Range splits the state north-south. On the east side of the range, the politics generally speaking is conservative. On the west side (where Seattle & Olympia are located) is demoncRAT and ultra liberal. Unfortunately, the population is the greatest on the west side. Therefore, the RATS dominate the politics. In a previous election, Sen. Slade Gorton (Rep) ran against Maria Cant”budget”well. She won and only carried two counties—King (Seattle) & Pierce; Gorton took the rest of the state and still lost.


41 posted on 12/11/2008 1:26:55 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: lilylangtree

That’s what happened with Bush in 2004. He won more counties in California, but the RATS all cluster in Los Angeles, West Hollywood and San Frsnsisco- thus Kerry took California. I’ve lived in WA., OR. and CA., so I understand the political environment in each........ The GOP needs to invest in a good campaign so that they can dethrone Senator Maria “Can’t Find One” Well.

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244


42 posted on 12/11/2008 1:40:01 PM PST by real_patriotic_american
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To: lilylangtree

Hello,

I am new here and I have an accent so I hope you will forgive my typos...

I’ve been following this birth certificate story since a while. Here is what I read today and I will pass it on because it seems so important - just came up today on http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/ .

Here is the article:

URGENT!!! URGENT!!! - CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION Secretly Being Railroaded Through!!!
Posted 11 December, 2008 by doctorbulldog
Categories: Abuse of Power, Orwellian, politics

Yesterday, Ohio tried to become the 33rd state to vote in a Constitutional Convention!!!

This article is a day old, but it IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!

Here is my personal update to the story:

Due to public concern, the vote on Ohio House Joint Resolution 8 ( HJR 8 ) was TEMPORARILY halted, but it WILL come up again! - there are rumors it could be today or tomorrow!

Even the PETA-like Libtards are fighting against this!!!

http://www.peacechicken.com/2008/12/10/update-on-ohios-hjr-8-call-for-constitutional-convention

Only 34 states are needed to CHANGE THE U.S. CONSTITUTION!!!!

And, once a “Con Con” is approved — only two more states to go! — Congress (think Nancy Pelosi - Harry Reid) can select who will be on the committee to CHANGE the Constitution.

The states have NO CONTROL over what the committee decides to change in OUR CONSTITUTION!!!

They can change ANYTHING. And, it’s ALL LEGAL and binding!!

A list of the states that have secretly slipped this by the public can be viewed by CLICKING HERE.

Imagine my surprise when I discovered my state of Missouri on that list!!!

TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS!!!!

WRITE EVERY PUBLIC SERVANT YOU KNOW!!!

H/T - az_conservative

U.S. Two States Away from Constitutional Convention

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This is the most urgent, most important action alert the American Policy Center has ever issued! The Ohio state legislature is expected to vote today, Wednesday, Dec. 10th, to call for a Constitutional Convention (Con Con). If Ohio calls for a Con Con only one more state need do so and Congress will have no choice but to convene a Convention, throwing our U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights up for grabs. Ohio’s vote today poses a grave threat to the U.S. Constitution. Please immediately call the Ohio lawmakers listed below. ACT FAST - time is of the essence!

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Thirty-two (32) other states have already called for a Con Con (allegedly to add a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution). 34 states are all that is required, and then Congress MUST convene a Convention.

The U.S. Constitution places no restriction on the purposes for which the states can call for a Convention. If Ohio votes to call a Con Con, for whatever purpose, the United States will be only one state away from total destruction. And it’s a safe bet that those who hate this nation, and all She stands for, are waiting to pounce upon this opportunity to re-write our Constitution. We dare slumber no longer; we must take immediate action to preserve this nation!

Certainly all loyal Americans want government constrained by a balanced budget. But calling a Con Con risks a revolutionary change in our form of government. The ultimate outcome will likely be a new constitution; one that would possibly eliminate the Article 1 restriction to the coinage of real money or even eliminate gun or property rights. So what may look like a good idea to the legislators driving this effort - all Republicans - will certainly make them prey to the law of unintended consequences - at the very least insuring the U.S. will never have a balanced budget - while destroying what vestiges of liberty the government still allows.

You may have heard that some of those 32 states have voted to rescind their calls. This is true. However, under Article V of the Constitution, Congress must call a Constitutional Convention whenever 2/3 (or 34) of the states apply. The Constitution makes no provision for rescission. We’ve been told advocates of the convention are waiting to capture just two more states - Ohio, and one other. They can then challenge the other states’ rescissions in the courts while going ahead with the Convention. Congress alone then decides whether state legislatures or state conventions ratify proposed amendments.

You may have heard the states can control the subject of any convention. In truth no restrictive language from any state can legally limit the scope or outcome of a Convention! Once a Convention is called Congress determines how the delegates to the Convention are chosen. Once chosen, those Convention delegates possess more power than the U.S. Congress itself; if it were not so they would not be able to change the U.S. Constitution!

We have not had a Constitutional Convention since 1787. That Convention was called to make small changes in the Articles of Confederation. As a point of fact, several states first passed resolutions requiring their delegates discuss amendments to the Articles ONLY, forbidding even discussion of foundational changes. However, following the delegates’ first agreement that their meetings be in secret, their second act was to agree to debate those state restrictions and to declare the Articles of Confederation NULL AND VOID! They also changed the ratification process, reducing the required states’ approval from 100% to 75%. There is no reason to believe a contemporary Con Con wouldn’t further “modify” Article V restrictions to suit its purpose.

As former Chief Justice Warren Burger said in a letter written to Phyllis Schlafly, President of Eagle Forum:
“…there is no effective way to limit or muzzle the actions of a Constitutional Convention. The convention could make its own rules and set its own agenda. Congress might try to limit the convention to one amendment or to one issue, but there is no way to assure that the convention would obey. After a convention is convened, it will be too late to stop the convention if we don’t like its agenda. The meeting in 1787 ignored the limit placed by the confederation Congress…” (emphasis mine)

We were blessed in 1787; the Con Con delegates were the leaders of a freedom movement that had just cleansed this land of tyranny.

Today’s corrupt politicians and judges would like nothing better than the ability to legally ignore the Constitution - to modify its “problematic” provisions to reflect the philosophical and socials mores of our contemporary society.

The majority of U.S. voters just elected a dedicated leftist as President. Republicans are at their weakest right now! This is a horrible time to try such a crazy scheme. We cannot control the debate right now! Don’t for one second doubt that delegates to a Con Con wouldn’t revise the 1st Amendment into a government-controlled privilege, replace the 2nd Amendment with a “collective” right to self-defense, and abolish the 4th, 5th, and 10th Amendments, and the rest of the Bill of Rights. Additions could include the non-existent Separation of Church and State, the “right” to abortion and euthanasia, and much, much more.

Our uniquely and purely American concept of individual rights, endowed by our Creator, would be quickly set aside as an anachronistic relic of a bygone era; replaced by new “collective” rights, awarded and enforced by government for the “common good”.

The problems our nation faces are not a result of deficiencies in our Constitution; rather, they are the direct result of our disregard for that divinely-inspired document of liberty.

There is no challenge faced by this nation that cannot be solved either by enforcing existing law, or in limited cases, by writing new law. We do not need, AND MUST NOT RISK THE LIBERTY OF THE UNITED STATES with, a Constitutional Convention!

Ohio must not vote for a Con Con! We cannot control the debate! And state #34 is likely sitting silently in the wings, ready to act with lightning speed, sealing the fate of our once great nation before we can prevent it.

Stop the Ohio bill and we can stop the Constitutional Convention.

ACTION TO TAKE

We need only stop the House bill, HJR8, sponsored by Representative Louis Blessing, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee (there is a Senate bill too).

1. Call Chairman Blessing’s office and tell his staff you oppose a Constitutional Convention and you want this process stopped.

Tell them this is the most dangerous time ever to call for such a convention.

Tell them no one can control the debate or outcome of a Con Con.

Representative Louis Blessing
Phone: (614) 466-9091
Fax: (614) 719-3583
Email: district29@ohr.state.oh.us

2. Call Representative Bill Batchelder. He is a very good man. I’ve known him for years. But he has been misled on this issue. The word is he is wavering. Your calls can convince him to withdraw his support. That can kill this bill.

Representative Bill Batchelder
Phone: (614) 466-8140
Fax: (614) 719-3969
Email: district69@ohr.state.oh.us

3. It is URGENT that you make your calls right now. The bill could be voted on as early as this afternoon (Wednesday).

I’m so sorry for this late notice. We just found out about this last night.

Please get this message out far and wide. This task requires our very best effort! E-mail and call your friends, family and neighbors. Network anywhere and everywhere possible. If you know someone who never takes action, encourage them to break that habit this one time. Our Constitution is under assault!

Visit the American Policy Center website

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43 posted on 12/11/2008 2:56:29 PM PST by American Dream 246
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To: Minnesoootan

Just tell us which Hospital he was born and the Doctor’s name? Have not heard the answer.


44 posted on 12/11/2008 3:02:18 PM PST by FreedBird (EM)
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To: lilylangtree

Keep them coming. The shadow is getting longer and darker. I’m beginning to wonder if there will even be an inaugaration.


45 posted on 12/11/2008 3:46:44 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Yes, but for the McCain/Palin or McCain/Biden ticket.

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244


46 posted on 12/11/2008 5:20:43 PM PST by real_patriotic_american
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To: FreedBird

We know which Kenya hospital Obama was born in, but not the Hawaii hospital that he was born in.

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244


47 posted on 12/11/2008 5:23:11 PM PST by real_patriotic_american
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To: NewEnglander
AFRICAN race??

THAT's a new one!

48 posted on 12/11/2008 7:01:40 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: killerw
African is not a race. It’s a Nationality.

So true!

Semetic Egyptians are 'african'

Black Sudanese are 'african'

White folk of South AFRICA is 'african'

49 posted on 12/11/2008 7:04:43 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: lilylangtree
But if Kenya was a British Protectorate in 1961, wouldn’t the race “African” be correct?

No, there is no such varmit.

the three major races of man, Caucasoids, Negroids, and Mongoloids.

50 posted on 12/11/2008 7:09:40 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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