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Mileage-based tax proposed[NC][Levy on car's odometer]
Charlotte Observer ^ | 11 Dec 2008 | Mark Johnson

Posted on 12/12/2008 7:49:36 AM PST by BGHater

State panel endorses idea of levy tied to yearly miles logged on a car's odometer.

A special transportation committee gave final approval Wednesday to a report that proposes a new tax on the number of miles a car is driven each year, as well as other options for generating highway and transit money.

The vehicle miles tax would be calculated during the car's annual inspection and likely would supplement or replace the gas tax.

Legislators on the 21st Century Transportation Committee cautioned that a new tax is unlikely to advance during a budget crisis.

The special committee was formed to propose a menu of options for transportation funding, because the state's primary sources of money – the gas tax and a tax on car sales – are flat or declining.

The group also proposed toll booths on I-77 and I-95.

Committee member Chuck McGrady, however, said the committee skirted the question of overhauling how the Department of Transportation operates after years of complaints about turf battles, political patronage and dysfunctional divisions.

“We haven't gone far enough,” said McGrady, a Henderson County commissioner.

Asheville Mayor Terry Bellamy, another committee member, cast the lone no vote on the final version of the recommendations, saying the vehicle miles tax unfairly penalized rural residents with long commutes and no public transportation.

Committee chairman Brad Wilson, chief operating officer of Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina, said the report could gather dust on a shelf unless individuals and communities support the recommendations. He acknowledged that raising new taxes is unpopular but said that a failing transportation system will make the state less attractive to new employers.

Steve Jackson, an analyst who focuses on transportation issues for the North Carolina Justice Center's Budget & Tax Center, criticized the report as lacking vision.

“The report offers no consistent vision for how to move forward,” he said in a news release. “… The policy solutions suggested are more 1955 than 2055.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: car; mileage; northcarolina; taxes

1 posted on 12/12/2008 7:49:36 AM PST by BGHater
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To: BGHater

Disconnect the speedo cable 11 months out of the year ...


2 posted on 12/12/2008 7:54:17 AM PST by mgc1122
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To: BGHater

anyone stupid enough to vote for obamao

would be stupid enough to buy this.


3 posted on 12/12/2008 7:55:39 AM PST by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: BGHater

This is SOOO stupid. As if the odometer can’t be hacked.


4 posted on 12/12/2008 7:56:31 AM PST by babygene (It seems that stupidity is the most abundant element in the universe)
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To: BGHater
Probably all the sponsors of this travesty drive company or government cars...no worries mate.

And you always wondered why we have annual auto inspections...it's about government controls and it's gonna get worse. If you stop driving so much, they'll probably put a tax on your shoes, with an annual "sole measurement" to see how much you have walked.

When the gorebabies get hold of the environment thing, you can look down the road to a "breathing tax"...after all, you exhale the dreaded carbon dioxide. Oh, hell...wait a minute...it's already here...it's called "carbon credits"..."you can't breathe without them" should be their slogan.
5 posted on 12/12/2008 7:59:38 AM PST by FrankR (“Turtle up”, economically, for the duration of the 0bamanation.)
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To: BGHater
Pol 1: Holy carp, if that bailout bill shifts the public to electric cars, we're going to miss out on a lot of gas tax revenue!

Pol 2: Fear not; we'll simply pass a different tax scheme and snare them.

Pol 1: But the selling point to support the car's higher price was how much money it would save the owner over time.

Pol 2: screw 'em!

6 posted on 12/12/2008 7:59:53 AM PST by NonValueAdded (once you get to really know people, there are always better reasons than [race] for despising them.)
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To: mgc1122

“Disconnect the speedo cable 11 months out of the year ...”

They don’t use speedometer cables anymore. You have to hack the computer.


7 posted on 12/12/2008 8:00:08 AM PST by babygene (It seems that stupidity is the most abundant element in the universe)
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To: babygene
This is SOOO stupid. As if the odometer can’t be hacked

Oh believe you me, North Carolina, and its gestapo Highway Patrol can get that taken care of real quick. Roadblocks, as in License checks. Instead of one, the will have two, a quarter a mile from each other.

8 posted on 12/12/2008 8:01:06 AM PST by OBXWanderer (Limbaugh/Hannity...A conspiracy of Silence.)
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To: BGHater

People are just not giving their fair share to the state, who is bound and determined to find new creative ways of prying the cash out of its populace.


9 posted on 12/12/2008 8:01:49 AM PST by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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To: BGHater

Yea,and get this. If you live near the boarder and say you drive to Columbia SC to work every day , you’ll be taxed as if you did all that driving in NC.


10 posted on 12/12/2008 8:02:30 AM PST by rsobin
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To: babygene

“They don’t use speedometer cables anymore. You have to hack the computer.”

LOL ... on my car, I still have a cable. On the others, it should be that hard to hack into the program.


11 posted on 12/12/2008 8:02:51 AM PST by mgc1122
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To: umgud

Can we start a movement for tax simplification? This seems too complicated a way to tax people. Also, do you really think that they will levy the mileage tax but do away with the gas tax? I think it will be just another tax, in addition to the gas tax.

The existing gas taxes we all pay work well, because we all pay them roughly based on how much we drive. The more gas we buy, the more we pay. It seems fair enough, doesn’t it, even though taxes are too high as it is.


12 posted on 12/12/2008 8:04:47 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: BGHater

Auto drivers, welcome to the wonderful world of the ‘Transportation Industry’ of which I am a disgruntled member.
You won’t be able count the ways the have found to tax.
We’ve been hammered for decades in the name of ‘infrastructue’ to find the only 11% has been spent for it’s intended use.

BOHICA!


13 posted on 12/12/2008 8:07:52 AM PST by griswold3
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To: BGHater
"The vehicle miles tax ... would supplement or replace the gas tax."

Naw, it would be in addition to it.

14 posted on 12/12/2008 8:12:04 AM PST by OldEagle
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To: Dilbert San Diego
The existing gas taxes we all pay work well, because we all pay them roughly based on how much we drive. The more gas we buy, the more we pay.

While they bitch and demonize SUV's, the truth is that there are too many econo cars driving further on the same gallon of gas. Add the economic slump into the mix and their (the state) revenues do fall. They believe a mileage tax is more fair and easier to get more revenue. I say this falls into the same category as red light cameras. It's not about being fair, it's about milking more cash from the people.

15 posted on 12/12/2008 8:15:27 AM PST by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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To: babygene
This is SOOO stupid. As if the odometer can’t be hacked.

What odometer? Sorry Mr Tax Collector it broke.

16 posted on 12/12/2008 8:15:28 AM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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To: babygene

They’ll use your W-2 to determine the distance between your home and your job and give you an “estimated” tax bill you can challenge at great expense to yourself. If your mileage for 365 days of travel falls short, you lose your lisence. Never mind that no one works 365 days a year. This is a tax on going to work they’re talking about. Of course getting Laid Off is no excuse. They’ll impute mileage as if you had a job and put your face next to the Dead Beat Dad sign on the bus you’ll be riding.


17 posted on 12/12/2008 8:17:36 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: BGHater

And then they’ll say “Huh, what us?” when their economy tanks.


18 posted on 12/12/2008 8:21:31 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (I refuse allegiance to any foreign born alleged president.)
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To: massgopguy

“They’ll use your W-2 to determine the distance between your home and your job and give you an “estimated” tax bill you can challenge at great expense to yourself.”

How would they know your not carpooling or working from home?


19 posted on 12/12/2008 8:22:54 AM PST by babygene (It seems that stupidity is the most abundant element in the universe)
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To: FrankR

“And you always wondered why we have annual auto inspections...”

They ended annual auto inspections in GA a long time ago. The people that wanted to keep the annual inspections warned of increased traffic accidents and insurance rates skyrocketing. You know what actually happened?

Nothing. Not a darned thing. Accidents didn’t go up and neither did insurance rates.

Annual inspections are totally useless. The only people that benfited from them were the repair shops.


20 posted on 12/12/2008 8:27:43 AM PST by Brookhaven (The Fair Tax is THE economic litmus test for conservatives)
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To: mgc1122

lots of unintended consquences here,

but leftists NEVER consider that people will change behaviors based on incentives.

The one I thought of, if they replace the gas tax with a mileage tax, there will be less reason to drive a fuel efficient car.


21 posted on 12/12/2008 8:29:53 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: babygene

This is the tax collector your talking about. The onus is on you to prove those things.


22 posted on 12/12/2008 8:33:49 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: rsobin
Whatever NC comes up with, SC will eventually follow.
23 posted on 12/12/2008 8:34:21 AM PST by wally_bert (Tactical Is Still Missing A Chair! Star Wreck In The Pirkinning......)
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To: BGHater

There is already a mileage tax...it’s called the gas tax.


24 posted on 12/12/2008 8:39:04 AM PST by Busywhiskers ("Shave off the whiskers of unnecessary thought." Occams Razor)
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To: BGHater

Not surprising from a state that in the 1960’s had a tax on the average balance of your checking account and a legislature that argued over tobacco taxes for the entire session without doing any other work.


25 posted on 12/12/2008 8:41:03 AM PST by A Strict Constructionist (The "Road to Surfdom", can it be reversed?)
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To: babygene
Filthy politicians will try anything and everything to squeeze more money out of the working man. No amount of money will satisfy their outrageous spending habits. These pigs worship money and power, and they will do whatever it takes to obtain it.
26 posted on 12/12/2008 8:43:00 AM PST by peeps36 ( Al Gore. Is A Big Fat Lying Hypocrite. He Pollutes The Air By Opening His Big Mouth)
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To: BGHater

What in the world is going on in NC, lately..Geeze my former home state has gone absolutely insane since I lived there in the 90’s??!

Should I refer to NC as the “Massachussetts of the South”?


27 posted on 12/12/2008 8:45:52 AM PST by JSDude1 (Like the failed promise of Fascism masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism- Nephi)
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To: NonValueAdded
Fear not; we'll simply pass a different tax scheme and snare them.

No problem. Electric meters on the cars and automatic reader setup at the authorized DMV smog registration points. Registration renewal will require car to pass through like smog inspections now. Problem solved.

28 posted on 12/12/2008 8:46:36 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Constitution Day; martin_fierro

WTFIIWNC?


29 posted on 12/12/2008 8:50:38 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: A Strict Constructionist
Not surprising from a state that in the 1960’s had a tax on the average balance of your checking account...

60's? The Supreme Court finally threw out this travesty (called the intangibles tax) in 1996. It not only hit your checking account but any stocks or bonds you owned.

North Carolina has the highest income tax in the region, above national average gasoline tax and puts a sales tax on virtually anything that is billed.

I got a bill from my leasing company for property taxes owed on my cars. There was a sales tax added based on the amount of the property tax. Needless to say, the Old North State has been ruled by Democrats for years.

30 posted on 12/12/2008 9:02:13 AM PST by DeFault User
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To: JSDude1
Should I refer to NC as the “Massachussetts of the South”?

I do. And I don't live there :)

Between the illegals and the carpetbaggers, NC went to hell several years ago.

31 posted on 12/12/2008 9:03:31 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (All hail the Obamasiah! Kneel before Obamohammad!)
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To: BGHater

maybe they should, oh i don’t know, REDUCE SPENDING!


32 posted on 12/12/2008 9:05:56 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: BGHater

The NC legislature raids the Highway fund for hundreds of millions of $$. Then moan ‘no money for roads’.


33 posted on 12/12/2008 9:15:48 AM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: BGHater
This stupidity keeps coming up. People in Idaho went after Butch Otter when he suggested it. Taxing people on mileage driven off state roads and out of state is just plain wrong. Otter (and others) forget that odometers record all mileage. They don't just record mileage on state constructed/maintained roads. Gas taxes are reasonable in that they are distributed across states. Federal and state taxes are collected nominally where they are used.

It would take a very sophisticated GPS based tracking system to separate legitimate use of state/federal roads from off road and out of state use. Even the best GPS based nav systems with DVD databases would be challenged to sort out the details. Perhaps a raw dump of bread crumb tracks could be digested externally. That is a major breach of privacy.

Contact your legislators and object strenuously. Don't let the camel get its nose under the tent.

34 posted on 12/12/2008 9:21:58 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: A Strict Constructionist
Not surprising from a state that in the 1960’s had a tax on the average balance of your checking account and a legislature that argued over tobacco taxes for the entire session without doing any other work.

I'll bet the mattress was king as a banking tool with that kind of stupid policy.

35 posted on 12/12/2008 9:24:32 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: BGHater

New cottage industry: odometer adjusting.


36 posted on 12/12/2008 9:26:26 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: BGHater

It’s not just about more taxes...it’s about tracking and eventually regulating and limiting your freedom of movement.


37 posted on 12/12/2008 9:28:07 AM PST by B Knotts (ConservatismCentral.com)
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To: BGHater
Privatize all of our Roads and I'd have no problem contracting with competing companies for this.

As it is, it's a Big Brother taxation nightmare.

38 posted on 12/12/2008 9:31:02 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: BGHater
Ever felt like the United States has turned into Green Acres and the government is Mr Haney?
39 posted on 12/12/2008 9:37:49 AM PST by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: BGHater
I thought the communist tax on fuel paid for the roads but again it must go into the common rat hole known as the general fund we got to keep that welfare food and money flowing
40 posted on 12/12/2008 9:49:25 AM PST by Cheetahcat (Osamabama the Wright kind of Racist!)
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To: JSDude1
Should I refer to NC as the “Massachussetts of the South”?
Yes. With Mike "tax hike" Easley, now Hagan and Perdue, we will no longer have take home pay. Our entire wage will just be handed over to build things like Easley's $% million walk bridge over the Raleigh beltline that no one uses. We already have about the highest gas tax in the nation. Since I 95 is the route many from the north take to get to Florida, they could at least do something that affected those trucks etc that use that route to help pay the upkeep of at least that route.
41 posted on 12/12/2008 9:57:18 AM PST by nclaurel
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To: 100%FEDUP; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; ~Vor~; a4drvr; Adder; Aegedius; Afronaut; alethia; ...

NC *Ping*

Please FRmail MitchellC if you want to be added to or removed from this North Carolina ping list.
42 posted on 12/12/2008 12:31:24 PM PST by MitchellC
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To: BGHater

This is simply Agenda 21 creeping closer.


43 posted on 12/12/2008 12:49:46 PM PST by B4Ranch ( Veterans: "There is no expiration date on our oath, to protect America from all enemies, ...")
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To: babygene
Disconnect the speedo cable 11 months out of the year ...”

They don’t use speedometer cables anymore. You have to hack the computer.

Hmmm... I don't think I want to buy a used car in NC.

44 posted on 12/12/2008 1:25:11 PM PST by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: MitchellC

“would supplement or replace the gas tax...”
...no, they’d just employ it as yet another tax...other existing taxes would stay the same.

“The group also proposed toll booths on I-77 and I-95.”
...remember when Virginia did just that?....they had toll booths on I-95 thru Richmond....it was supposed to be a temporary measure until the road was paid for....but the Turnpike Authority grew larger and more powerful over the years and wouldn’t voluntarily shut down....finally people got so mad they had to have a law to get rid of that bureaucracy....take heed N.C.....once a state agency gets entrenched, it’s hell to get rid of.


45 posted on 12/12/2008 2:18:54 PM PST by STONEWALLS
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To: Centurion2000

Then your car won’t pass the mandatory yearly state safety and emissions inspection. Without that, it can’t be registered.

They recently changed the law here; now the state inspection and the DMV registration process are integrated. No more window stickers for inspections, it’s all electronic. If your car hasn’t passed inspection, you can’t renew your registration. No more registering it and then having 10 days to get it inspected and get the window sticker. This means that the DMV will now have your odometer setting every year, because it’s recorded as part of the inspection process.

}:-)4


46 posted on 12/13/2008 3:25:53 AM PST by Moose4 (Hey RNC. Don't move toward the middle. MOVE THE MIDDLE TOWARD YOU.)
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