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Al Franken gets boosts in Minn. Senate recount
Breitbart.com/Associated Press ^ | 12/12/08 | BRIAN BAKST

Posted on 12/12/2008 11:42:25 AM PST by dr_who

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) - Democrat Al Franken got good news Friday in his bid for the Senate, winning favorable rulings from a state elections board on rejected absentee ballots and the tally in one of his strongholds.

The Canvassing Board overseeing the race recount recommended that county election boards sort and count wrongly rejected absentee ballots. The five-member panel also urged that a recount in one University of Minnesota area precinct be based on Election Night tapes from a ballot counting machine.

The recount there, where results favor Franken, ended with 133 missing ballots that could be counted if the tapes are used.

While the state board's recommendations are nonbinding, most counties have gone forward with a voluntary sorting. Others, however, have balked in the drawn-out recount as Franken tries to topple Republican Sen. Norm Coleman.

"It was a great day for democracy," Franken attorney Marc Elias said of the state board's recommendations.

At least 638 absentee ballots are known to have been rejected for something other than the four legal reasons for disqualification. That's based on an assessment of about half of Minnesota's counties by the secretary of state's office. State officials estimate the total could top 1,500.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: alfranken; alfrankenslime; alfrankenstein; electionscongress; electionussenate; franken; minnesota; mn2008; sorosboyfranken; stealingelections; votefraud
A left winger's version of democracy indeed.
1 posted on 12/12/2008 11:42:25 AM PST by dr_who
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To: dr_who

“The count on election night can not be trusted, we must recount.

Hmmmm, the recount costs us vote in this one county, therefore in this one county we can not trust the recount and must go with the election night results.”


2 posted on 12/12/2008 11:45:49 AM PST by icwhatudo
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To: dr_who

The Demo crooks keep COUNTING and COUNTING and COUNTING! How long can the drag out a recount? Obviously, until their man wins! Just like in Washington State 2 years ago!


3 posted on 12/12/2008 11:46:01 AM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: dr_who
Anyone know he status of the bag of overseas military ballots that were found intentionally mishandled hidden in a warehouse? Those should be counted and should favor Coleman handily over Franken.
4 posted on 12/12/2008 11:46:41 AM PST by jrooney
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To: dr_who
Oh hell...just give the damn thing to Franken and get it over with. Stop insulting everyone's intelligence with the "found ballots" $hi+...it's really old and really getting boring.

The fix is in, and we all see where it's going, just let the babbling idiot have it.
5 posted on 12/12/2008 11:47:26 AM PST by FrankR (“Turtle up”, economically, for the duration of the 0bamanation.)
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To: dr_who

Yep, just keep counting until the bastard wins.


6 posted on 12/12/2008 11:47:43 AM PST by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: dr_who
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."

-Josef Stalin

7 posted on 12/12/2008 11:48:24 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: RepublitarianRoger2

Apparently if there aren’t enough ballots to count, you just add some extras in from the last time you counted. Foregone conclusion: Franken will win by counting rejected absentee ballots, ballots from the first count added to the recount, and just enough challenged ballots going his way to swing the election in his favor.

I do hope that I am wrong.


8 posted on 12/12/2008 11:57:22 AM PST by ga medic
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To: dr_who
"It was a great day for democracy," Franken attorney Marc Elias said of the state board's recommendations. "

Franken's lawyer is a better comedic writer than he is.

9 posted on 12/12/2008 11:59:01 AM PST by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: dr_who

I predict when it all shakes out, it’s Franken +200. Just enough to put him over the top.


10 posted on 12/12/2008 12:03:43 PM PST by ScottinVA (islam IS the problem!)
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To: dr_who

I’d been wondering how the dems were going to pull this one out of the hats. Well, there it is!


11 posted on 12/12/2008 12:05:46 PM PST by ScottinVA (islam IS the problem!)
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To: 2harddrive
The Demo crooks keep COUNTING and COUNTING and COUNTING! How long can the drag out a recount? Obviously, until their man wins! Just like in Washington State 2 years ago!

Also in the 50's Bogart movie "Key Largo".

12 posted on 12/12/2008 12:08:58 PM PST by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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To: ga medic

“Mining” the rejected ballots for votes.
Sounds like a GAME. Winner take all.
What are the RULES of this game or maybe there aren’t any.


13 posted on 12/12/2008 12:27:48 PM PST by noah (noah)
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To: dr_who
At least 638 absentee ballots are known to have been rejected for something other than the four legal reasons for disqualification...
...The board acted after receiving a legal opinion from the office of Minnesota Attorney General Lori Swanson, a Democrat, that the missing absentee ballots should be counted

"Missing absentee ballots"??? Is that an AP mistake? I thought the missing ballots were the alleged 133 from that one precinct - and not absentee.

And those "638 absentee ballots are known to have been rejected for something other than the four legal reasons" - weeks ago I read those ballots had been rejected for some darn good reasons --
like signatures not matching those on voter rolls!

So Dems get to count obviously fraudulent ballots now. Hey, somebody voted, even if it wasn't the person registered! Count 'em all ! /s

14 posted on 12/12/2008 12:28:31 PM PST by shhrubbery! (Dear media: Palin is pure as Alaska snow - it's OBAMA who was "NEVER VETTED" !)
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To: TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
"It was a great day for democracy," Franken attorney Marc Elias said of the state board's recommendations. "

Franken's lawyer is a better comedic writer than he is.

That's really not saying much good about him. IMHO, Franken hasn't been funny at all for many years (if not decades).

15 posted on 12/12/2008 12:31:13 PM PST by Bob
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To: noah

From what I can tell, the only rule is “make sure the Dem wins.” I doesn’t matter how you play, it only matters that you win.


16 posted on 12/12/2008 12:34:11 PM PST by ga medic
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To: dr_who

Anybody who would vote for that idiot is really mentally challenged!


17 posted on 12/12/2008 12:35:31 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism = serious mental deficiency)
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To: jrooney

Are you joking or is this an actual case?


18 posted on 12/12/2008 1:23:23 PM PST by MSF BU (++)
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To: MSF BU

It is an actual case that was reported in the news and highlighted here on FR. I have not heard anything else about it and curious to the status of the military ballots found sitting in a warehouse.


19 posted on 12/12/2008 1:39:40 PM PST by jrooney
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To: dr_who

Coleman has appealed to the Minnesota Supreme Court to establish a uniform standard for counting the “fifth pile”.


20 posted on 12/12/2008 1:49:02 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: noah
“Mining” the rejected ballots for votes.

Franken opened up a new company called Minnesota Fabrication and Mining.

21 posted on 12/12/2008 1:49:26 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: dr_who

What a coincidence, they were all Democrat generated ACORN ballots.


22 posted on 12/12/2008 1:50:53 PM PST by real_patriotic_american
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To: ScottinVA

Their hats aren’t where they are pulling this stuff out of..


23 posted on 12/12/2008 1:58:35 PM PST by Merlinator (January 20. 2009, A National Day of Mourning)
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To: dr_who

If there are 1600 absentee ballots that they deem “worthy”, statistics dictate that 800.06 will go for Coleman and 799.94 will go for Franken (a .127 vote pickup for Coleman) - any outcome other than this involves funny business.


24 posted on 12/12/2008 2:05:22 PM PST by gore_sux
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To: noah

I’m not a big believer in incumbent protections, but I think in cases like these, as in boxing, there should be some presumption of incumbency, unless the contender has CLEARLY won a decision.

This one will never be clear. And the rats can’t figure out which is worse, a Republican from Minnesota, or having to admit THAT *SSH*LE franken to the Senate club.


25 posted on 12/12/2008 2:06:45 PM PST by ichabod1 (Reagan would’ve fired them.)
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To: ichabod1

I would tend to agree. If the final result is within 100 votes either way, who actually won is essentially unknowable given the number of ballots where the voter intent is borderline uncertain. If 1,000 experts examined the questioned ballots that were put online, you would get 1,000 different results.

So, you might as well use a coin toss to settle the election, unless there is a rule allowing the incumbent to keep the seat in the case of a tie. (But then you still have the question of how much of a lead does the challenger need to make it a win and not a tie? No easy solutions.)


26 posted on 12/12/2008 2:14:52 PM PST by tyke
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To: dr_who
Okay, playing devil's advocate here. If the boot was on the other foot, would we be happy to allow perfectly valid absentee ballots that were rejected in error not to be counted?

It would seem to me that if the voter cast a valid absentee ballot which was rejected for no good reason then they are being disenfranchised unfairly (and perhaps unlawfully, though that is still to be decided). I would be certainly angry if that had happened to me, and not all the rejected ballots are Franken supporters.

Count them and let the chips fall where they may.

27 posted on 12/12/2008 2:20:14 PM PST by tyke
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To: dr_who; icwhatudo; 2harddrive; jrooney; FrankR; RepublitarianRoger2; Puppage; ga medic; ...

Please, let’s quit acting like this election was close.

Barkley was going to run as a Dem and was supported by Ventura nuts and a split DFL faction.

None of those 400,000 people were going to vote for Coleman in a runoff.

Coleman would’ve been destroyed in a runoff.

Be mad (and afraid) of the idiot voters in Minnesota, not the cheater Dems.

Barkley (I) 433,312 15%
Coleman (R) 1,199,857 42%
Franken (D) 1,199,167 42%


28 posted on 12/12/2008 2:22:16 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: gore_sux
If there are 1600 absentee ballots that they deem “worthy”, statistics dictate that 800.06 will go for Coleman and 799.94 will go for Franken (a .127 vote pickup for Coleman) - any outcome other than this involves funny business.

Unfortunately that's not the case. Franken had a lead of about 8% in the absentee votes that have already been counted, so the odds are he will gain also votes if they are counted. Why do you think he's been lobbying for them so hard?

29 posted on 12/12/2008 2:23:12 PM PST by tyke
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To: real_patriotic_american
If Republicans don't wake up they'll never be politically relevant again, just because of their ineffectiveness in dealing with Democrat corruption.
30 posted on 12/12/2008 2:27:01 PM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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To: dr_who

These a-wipes will not stop until they have “found” enough ballots for Frankenstein. It’s like the Wash. state stolen Governor’s race all over again.


31 posted on 12/12/2008 2:36:50 PM PST by Enchante (Was Jesse Jackson, Sr. the bagman for "Senate Candidate #5" -- JJJr.??????)
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To: dr_who
In a perfect world, Al Franken would win by ONE vote, and that vote would be that of Larry Sinclair.

*BRRRRRRRING!*

"Ohhhhhhh Al? Hello Al? It's LARRRRRRY Al!!!!"
32 posted on 12/12/2008 2:45:54 PM PST by mkjessup (God, guns & guts have kept America free, we still need all three. The 'Arsenal of Democracy' is 'US')
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To: FrankR
Oh hell...just give the damn thing to Franken and get it over with. Stop insulting everyone's intelligence with the "found ballots" $hi+...it's really old and really getting boring.

The fix is in, and we all see where it's going, just let the babbling idiot have it.


The Senate deserves to be stuck with this guy. They deserve to be locked up in the cloakroom with this guy. They deserve to have to ride the elevator with this guy every day.

How many other Senators will he punch out or berate? Probably all of them by the time he is done.

I hope he gets in there and shows the whole country just what an ass he is.

I hope Minnesota is gonna be proud of the show.
33 posted on 12/12/2008 3:08:54 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Blind Eye Jones

It’s sad, but I have to agree with you! Also, why aren’t they all over the Obama non-citizenship issue?

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244


34 posted on 12/12/2008 3:48:40 PM PST by real_patriotic_american
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To: Bob
"It was a great day for democracy Democrats," Franken attorney Marc Elias said of the state board's recommendations. "

Fixed it>

35 posted on 12/12/2008 3:59:30 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: sam_paine
Be mad (and afraid) of the idiot voters in Minnesota, not the cheater Dems.

Can't I be mad at both? I'm not seeing the mutual exclusivity here...

36 posted on 12/12/2008 4:21:45 PM PST by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: icwhatudo

As the Democrat Governor of Washington declared after King County added enough ballots to reverse the Republicans win in the original vote count and the first recount: “It is a model of democracy.” After all in Orwellian New Speak democracy has nothing to do with the people selecting their leaders, the new meaning is a Party calling itself Democratic imposes it will on everyone else.


37 posted on 12/12/2008 5:31:49 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: RepublitarianRoger2
Can't I be mad at both?

Sure! You can churn your own butter if you like, too!

But the fact is, if Minnesota had its act together its election laws would have been written to have a runoff like Saxby, but there Franken would win by a mile.

Eaking out this particular vote is whistling past the graveyard.

OTOH, Franken might do more tarnishing the 'progressive' cause than Coleman could do to further the conservative cause anyway.

38 posted on 12/13/2008 8:34:53 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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Eaking out this particular vote is whistling past the graveyard.

...which was, of course, the implied point of my original post.

I'm not sure why you seem to be advocating that everyone just say "oh well, he would've won by a mile anyway in a run-off vote IF there had been a run-off vote which there won't be so it's a moot point but still, oh well, because if there HAD been a run-off, then he would've won and..."

None of that stops me from being mad at the whole situation and the decline of common sense and ethical behavior in America. Sorry but I don't get the part where being concerned about the corruption of the political process in America and the rise of those that help to make it corrupt is equivalent to "churning my own butter."

39 posted on 12/13/2008 9:13:44 AM PST by RepublitarianRoger2
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None of that stops me from being mad at the whole situation and the decline of common sense and ethical behavior in America.

So true, so true.

However, the political and ethical behavior of the Democrat officials is nothing new, and would have no effect on these votes if the larger electorate had reasonable morals and ethics to vote against these idiotic and unethical Libtards.

The corrupt election process is a symptom.

Fix the corruption in the local precinct captains, fix the "vote finding," fix the meddling activist election judges....and what do you still get? >>> Senator Al Franken.

You can buy your daughter a new Mercedes and keep dickering with the quality of the bodyshop's work each time she wrecks it, but until she learns how to drive, anything she has is going to look like a POS.

You can fix the election process, but as long as the Minnesota voters are irresponsible fools, they'll end up looking just like Illinois, or worse!

40 posted on 12/13/2008 10:30:16 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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Yep. Well, I guess we’re basically on the same page, then.


41 posted on 12/13/2008 12:28:05 PM PST by RepublitarianRoger2
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