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Is Emmanuel covering for Obama's stupidity?
Me | 12/12/2008 | Me

Posted on 12/12/2008 12:58:33 PM PST by cartervt2k

Is Obama's tendency to conceal the truth hanging Emmanuel out to dry?

According to the FBI report, Obama would not cooperate in a quid pro quo with Blago for Obama's old Senate seat. Any reasonable person would know that in order for a bribe to be rejected, it must first be offered. And, who on Earth would believe Team Obama would have zero contact with the governor since the election, when this is someone who both he and Rahm knew well and campaigned for?

If Obama had said, "he offered, we rejected", would there have been legal (not political) implications for not blowing the whistle? Or, is there something else they could be hiding?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: arrogance; blagojevich; bleepgate; chicagopolitics; emmanuel; obama; obamatransitionfile; rahm

1 posted on 12/12/2008 12:58:33 PM PST by cartervt2k
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To: cartervt2k

spell-check: ^Emanuel


2 posted on 12/12/2008 12:59:34 PM PST by cartervt2k
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To: cartervt2k

The spin is that Jagovolbitch was so angry at Obama because they offered him nothing - ovelooking that the anger was probably about being offered something then having it retracted...


3 posted on 12/12/2008 1:01:48 PM PST by jessduntno (Barack - Kenyan for "High Wind, Big Thunder, No Rain")
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To: cartervt2k

IMHO, Rahm was the one who said this ... “The president-elect can get Blagojevich’s wife on paid corporate boards in exchange for naming the president-elect’s pick to the Senate.”

And Obama is the one who told him to say it.


4 posted on 12/12/2008 1:02:40 PM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: cartervt2k

“Is Emmanuel covering for Obama’s stupidity?”

Bank on it. Someone is going to take the fall for this mess, and it won’t be the new ‘Mr. “I Hate America” President’.


5 posted on 12/12/2008 1:03:21 PM PST by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else" Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: cartervt2k

That would take a LOT of covering


6 posted on 12/12/2008 1:03:52 PM PST by clamper1797 (BHO ... the 'H" stands for hubris)
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To: cartervt2k

Or, is there something else they could be hiding?...

This would be a criminal proceeding. If Obama had to testify, I imagine birth records could be subpoenaed to determine if he was eligible to be president.


7 posted on 12/12/2008 1:04:21 PM PST by Hang'emAll
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To: cartervt2k

“who on Earth”

NOT ME!


8 posted on 12/12/2008 1:06:01 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: cartervt2k

Knowing that Blago was requiring cash for the seat, and not reporting that graft to the FBI, is probably illegal.

I’ll bet the Obamanaughts have a legal obligation to report incipient corruption, which they failed to do.


9 posted on 12/12/2008 1:06:32 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (SARAH *** JOE *** 2012!)
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To: Hang'emAll
If Obama had to testify, I imagine birth records could be subpoenaed to determine if he was eligible to be president.

Nope. He'd just be a witness. The only thing that one side or the other can do with a witness (besides asking questions) is to attack his/her credibility or professional credentials (where the person is an expert witness). Nothing could be done here.

10 posted on 12/12/2008 1:08:34 PM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obamination from becoming President)
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To: cartervt2k
I think he's covering up for Obama's criminality. They have the most corrupt Administration in history and they haven't even taken office. Impeach this guy.
11 posted on 12/12/2008 1:08:38 PM PST by exist
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To: cartervt2k
If Obama had said, "he offered, we rejected", would there have been legal (not political) implications for not blowing the whistle?

Some say "yes", that you have to report a serious crime rather than just not participate. I'm not sure what the situation is with a refused bribe. Modern life sure is complicated.

12 posted on 12/12/2008 1:12:55 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: cartervt2k
Rush calls this a sitcom...

I think it more closely resembles Godfather I, II and III.

13 posted on 12/12/2008 1:16:05 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( Sarah Palin is America's Margaret Thatcher; Obama is America's George Galloway.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Nothing complicated about this. If Zero saw a crime going down and failed to report, that is a crime in and of itself. There have been a few threads about that these past few days.


14 posted on 12/12/2008 1:16:14 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: Hang'emAll
We have a winner.

Part of the plan is to manuever the MSM to report this instead of all the other lawsuits in regards to his citizenship status.

lies all lies/sarc

15 posted on 12/12/2008 1:17:16 PM PST by Rapunzel (Never forget Fallujah..S. Helvenston RIP.....Sarah...Sarah...Sarah loves America)
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To: cartervt2k

...like a one eyed cat watching 5 rat holes


16 posted on 12/12/2008 1:17:31 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: cartervt2k

Emanuel was chosen as Obama’s Chief of Staff within a few days of the election and now it comes out that Emanuel was up to his neck in the cesspool even after he was selected. There is NO WAY that Obama can claim that HIS RIGHT HAND MAN was not involved.

Obama is warming up the bus.


17 posted on 12/12/2008 1:18:15 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Obama is the Antichrist.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
18 U.S.C. § 4

Misprision of felony

Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.


18 posted on 12/12/2008 1:28:14 PM PST by Shady Ray
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To: gov_bean_ counter
I agree on your Godfather point... Rush's point is that the MSM is writing Hussein's script, they wrote the narrative for the election, the characters and events are written the way the MSM wants them perceived.

They NEVER report reality, only on live events for the first moments when they MSM have no control over the message.

19 posted on 12/12/2008 1:34:07 PM PST by roses of sharon ("No socialist system can be established without a political police.", Churchill -1945)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Emanuel is going to end up taking the fall for this, but Obama, too, eventually is going to fall on account of this for two reasons: Rahm Emanuel will be furious that Obama is unscathed while he (ER) does down; and the idea that Obama knew nothing is incredible and cannot be sustained by the MSM over time. Obama made a very serious error, as Ed Rendell recognizes, when he stated he had no conversations about who would fill his Senate seat. No one is going to believe this, especially if it turns out Emanuel did give a list to Abramowhathisname. This issue will haunt Obama.
20 posted on 12/12/2008 1:40:03 PM PST by utahagen
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To: cartervt2k

He is only doing his New Socialist duty to protect the integrity and infallibility of The One (piss be upon him).


21 posted on 12/12/2008 1:40:26 PM PST by Old Sarge (For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American)
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To: roses of sharon

Excellent points. Thanks.


22 posted on 12/12/2008 1:42:47 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( Sarah Palin is America's Margaret Thatcher; Obama is America's George Galloway.)
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To: Tarpon

True, and the governor was mad because team Obama was insisting on a two year waiting period for the payoff and/or third party funding so as to not leave any fingerprints or look too obvious. Fitzgerald has them and I wonder what is on the three weeks of taping that were withheld...


23 posted on 12/12/2008 1:48:19 PM PST by eureka! (The election does not depress me as much. Thanks Chicago Pols!!!)
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To: Cyber Liberty
If Zero saw a crime going down and failed to report, that is a crime in and of itself.

As a lawyer he is an "officer of the court", failing to report a conspiracy would be a breach of legal ethics which could lead to disbarment, no?

Regards,
GtG

24 posted on 12/12/2008 1:52:16 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: utahagen
This issue will haunt Obama.

Like Whitewater haunted the Clintons; through two terms as President and a very lucrative speaking career.

25 posted on 12/12/2008 1:54:01 PM PST by poindexter
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To: Tarpon

Yes. I think you are correct. Rahm is the type to do the dirty work and the bidding of his masters. Zero’s in this up to his kenyan elephant ears, and if Blago feels like he is being hung out to dry, I hope he sings loud and long!


26 posted on 12/12/2008 1:54:02 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (NO Kenyan Usurpers in the White House - NObama ! WE WILL TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY!)
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To: SMARTY

I wish Fitz had the guts to indict Emmanuel and O.


27 posted on 12/12/2008 2:03:04 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: eureka!
Yes, I think you are right about the waiting period ... So it wouldn't be so obvious.

This is a huge problem for the little squirrel.

28 posted on 12/12/2008 2:03:15 PM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: cartervt2k
The possible federal criminal charge of misprision requires not mere failure to report a crime but active concealment of a felony. My surmise is that there is no risk of criminal prosecution for team Obama but that there is a risk of continuing political embarrassment. Fitzgerald will lightly though, so prolonged inquiry and a definitive resolution are unlikely.
29 posted on 12/12/2008 2:06:07 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: cartervt2k

I am believing that Emanuel snitched to the Feds once Blago folks informed him that a bribe/deal would have to be made.

That is why Rahm The Silent is maintaining his low profile and has gotten death threats. Fitzgerald told him he cannot reveal his actions or that he is an informant - yeh, that’s it - an informant.

I guess “snitch” is too harsh for a Democrat - he performed a civic duty by calling Fitzgerald directly to inform him of the transgression. Of course, his contacts within Justice/the FBI had told him that Blago’s telephone conversations were being taped.

No source - just a hunch of mine.


30 posted on 12/12/2008 2:07:09 PM PST by NutmegDevil
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To: cartervt2k

The funny thing is, this Emmanuel story broke last night, all day conservatives have been pinning this thing on Obama/Rahm and all we get from them soo far is silence. Usually they are on top of “correcting” the story, but now its all silence, hmm very fishy.


31 posted on 12/12/2008 2:09:09 PM PST by RatsDawg
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
As a lawyer he is an "officer of the court", failing to report a conspiracy would be a breach of legal ethics which could lead to disbarment, no?

This may not matter but both he and his bride have let their law licenses lapse. I believe he did not renew his before he was selected to be senator. I think it was even earlier for her.
32 posted on 12/12/2008 2:26:16 PM PST by philled ("I prefer messy democracy to the stability of tyrants." -- Howar Ziad, Iraqi Ambassador to Canada)
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To: cartervt2k

Get the McDugal suite ready for Rahm.


33 posted on 12/12/2008 2:27:19 PM PST by lacrew (Yup, they're girded!)
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To: RatsDawg

Neil Cavuto had a statement around 4:45 PM from the BO camp to the effect that Rahm Emmanuel was not a target in this complaint and that RE will serve as Obama’s Chief of Staff.

That was it. The silence was broken.


34 posted on 12/12/2008 2:29:27 PM PST by randita
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To: NutmegDevil
Of course, his contacts within Justice/the FBI had told him that Blago’s telephone conversations were being taped.

I don't think so. Either the Obama team is very good at feigning surprise or else they were actually surprised at the arrest of Blago and Harris. They acted shell shocked.

There were three weeks of taped phone calls after the cut off date of the current complaint, Nov. 13. In the days leading up to Nov. 13, Blago was insistent on getting information to Valerie Jarrett and the Pres.-Elect Advisor (Emmanuel) about the creation of a 501(c)(4) which Blago would head.

Did Jarrett and Emmanuel get that information? How did they respond? Is their response on the wiretaps which occurred in the 3 weeks after Nov. 13?

Obama said yesterday he was going to do an investigation within his staff to find out who had contact with Blago about the Senate seat and what the contact was and get that information out? We'll see what they come up with?

35 posted on 12/12/2008 2:35:25 PM PST by randita
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To: jessduntno

or being told shut up for two years because the President elect would not want his fingerprints on a Quid pro quo


36 posted on 12/12/2008 2:41:45 PM PST by ballplayer
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To: cartervt2k

Just on Fox Rahm told he is NOT a target of the Investigation


37 posted on 12/12/2008 2:42:54 PM PST by ballplayer
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To: cartervt2k

I’m afraid that it will take more than 1 person to cover that particular issue.


38 posted on 12/12/2008 2:45:03 PM PST by pilipo
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To: cartervt2k

Are the wheels coming off that trolley yet?


39 posted on 12/12/2008 2:56:27 PM PST by pray4liberty (Always vote for life!)
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To: cartervt2k

Not necessarily. A president doesn’t have to bribe a governor. However, offering a little perk like a board membership for his wife is probably something Rahm would do as second nature, and especially would do so if Rod had some semi-juicy inside dope on the holy O. A little offer just to nail down the loose cannon.

I think that’s what happened, but the nimRod wanted something big up front and so went into a more or less explicit rant for the tape.

All in all, it will probably show that O and Rahm are very familiar with the felony-as-a-rule SOP in Illinois.


40 posted on 12/12/2008 2:56:35 PM PST by Marylander (What next?)
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To: cartervt2k

Not necessarily. A president doesn’t have to bribe a governor. However, offering a little perk like a board membership for his wife is probably something Rahm would do as second nature, and especially would do so if Rod had some semi-juicy inside dope on the holy O. A little offer just to nail down the loose cannon.

I think that’s what happened, but the nimRod wanted something big up front and so went into a more or less explicit rant for the tape.

All in all, it will probably show that O and Rahm are very familiar with the felony-as-a-rule SOP in Illinois.


41 posted on 12/12/2008 2:56:38 PM PST by Marylander (What next?)
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To: cartervt2k

Emanuel is Obama’s brain.


42 posted on 12/13/2008 6:27:28 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: cartervt2k

Rahm, "I never had sex with, er, talked to the Illinois Governor. Hell, I don't even know him."

Hey Zer0, How are you hanging in there with the big boys? How's your smoking and facial tics coming along? Enjoy your ride. The fun is just beginning.


43 posted on 12/13/2008 9:37:48 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Does Zer0 have any friends, who are not criminals or foriegn or domestic terrorists or both?)
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