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Obama’s “Natural Born” Problem
Mens News Daily ^ | 2008-12-12 at 11:15 am | David Huntwork

Posted on 12/12/2008 1:59:02 PM PST by ckilmer

David Huntwork

Obama’s “Natural Born” Problem

2008-12-12 at 11:15 am · Filed under 2008, Law, North America, OP/ED, Politics, Society, Vox Populi

By now you are probably aware that there have been a multitude of lawsuits filed in regards to the question of whether or not President-elect Barack Obama is in fact eligible under the “natural born” provision of the Constitution of the United States of America to be the President of the United States.

The Constitutional provisions are very specific when it comes to the minimal qualifications for President. One is to be over thirty-five. He is. Two, is being in the country fourteen years. He has been. Three, is to be a natural-born citizen. The latter remains unproven, a matter of contention, and appears to be increasingly unlikely to be true.

There are several variations on this theme, but the general and most often made argument is relatively simple and straightforward.

The Plaintiff in one of the filed suits put it this way.

“If in fact Obama was born in Kenya, the laws on the books in the United States at the time of his birth stated if a child is born abroad and one parent was a U.S. Citizen, which would have been his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama’s mother would have had to live ten (10) years in the United States, five (5) of which were after the age of fourteen (14). At the time of Obama’s birth, his mother was only eighteen (18) and therefore did not meet the residency requirements under the law to give her son (Obama) U.S. Citizenship much less the status of ‘natural born.’ ”

It also was a complication that Obama’s mother divorced his father, married and moved to Indonesia for several years and Obama attended school there at a time when only Indonesian citizens were allowed in schools. Records that are available from Indonesia revealed Obama was registered in school as Barry Soetoro, and his religion was listed as Islam.

When Obama later returned to Hawaii, within the United States, there should have been a government document affirming his citizenship, but that also cannot be found.”

The Obama campaign had insisted from the very beginning that Barack Obama was in fact born in the state of Hawaii which would automatically make him eligible for the highest office of the land. All US citizens are issued a birth certificate within a short time after birth. It would be very simple, and take about five minutes, for the Obama organization to put this rumor to rest and prove once and for all that this is just some wild conspiracy from the Internet rumor mill that should be mocked and ignored as simply “sour grapes” by a die hard few.

Except that Obama has steadfastly refused to release his birth certificate and has shown the willingness to spend a large amount of money on legal fees while  enduring increasingly bad publicity by refusing to release it or any hospital records associated with a birth in the state of Hawaii.

One of the cases filed with the Supreme Court also raised the circumstances of Obama’s time during his youth in Indonesia, where he was listed as having Indonesian citizenship. Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship at that time, raising the possibility of Obama’s mother having given up his U.S. citizenship. Any subsequent U.S. citizenship then, the case claims, would be “naturalized,” not “natural-born”.

There have also been suspicions that Obama’s college records may indicate he received aid as a foreigner, and that could be the reason why those records were never released.

The questions of his birth certificate and constitutional eligibility for President of the United States have been ongoing for months. Unlike the convoluted conspiracies and “innovative” conjectures that have been leveled against various presidents including Bill Clinton and the current holder of the office, this particular allegation of constitutional ineligibility would be extremely easy to refute and the entire mess could be over in just a matter of minutes. The logical conclusion is that there has to be some sort of reason that this document (if it exists) has not been released. There is obviously something to hide here and I am not alone in my interest in what that may be.

Months ago the Obama campaign, in an attempt to “answer” this question, posted a copy of what was said to Obama’s “Certification of Live Birth” on the official Obama website. The Main Stream Media and the Progressive blogosphere quickly and proudly pointed to it and proclaimed the case closed.  Unfortunately, the posting of that document actually raised as many or more questions than it had supposedly answered. The computer-generated “Certification of Live Birth” is used by the state of Hawaii in lieu of the “Certificate of Live Birth,” or if originally filed, a “Delayed Certificate of Birth,” or even a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth.” For verification purposes, however, the “Certification of Live Birth” does not indicate which birth record “root document(s)” that the Certification is based upon.

Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence. Obama’s certification of live birth doesn’t list a hospital, attending physician, or any witnesses of the birth that could be tracked down and investigated. The posted document is essentially worthless as any sort of proof that Obama was born in the United States and simply put does not prove natural-born status. Yet that document is the only evidence that Barack Obama has so far produced that he is in fact eligible to be the President of the United States.

My initial hunch was that Obama was in fact not born in Kenya, but that the name on the birth certificate was not “Barack Obama” but some other, possibly “Barry” with perhaps even a different last name (his mother’s?). It is also perhaps an amended birth certificate (not uncommon in cases of adoption by a step parent) listing his now legal name as “Barry Sotoero” and thus somehow a cause of embarrassment or a potential political liability. Obama’s adoption in Indonesia by his stepfather Lolo Sotoero would make that a very plausible scenario.

Such speculation is obviously conjectural. But much of Obama’s youth is shrouded in mystery especially in regards to his Islamic schooling, upbringing in Indonesia, drug use, and later ties to a variety of radical and questionable characters and mentors. With that in mind, perhaps an actual birth in Kenya wouldn’t be all that surprising but merely the icing on the cake when it comes to the strange, twisted and contradictory tale of Barack Obama’s life.

There was some whispering about Senator John McCain’s own natural-born citizenship status and POTUS eligibility early on and to his credit he produced his long form birth certificate in record time putting such questions to rest very quickly. Meanwhile, many months later, we are still sifting through rumors, Supreme Court petitions, multiple lawsuits from all over the country, and articles like this one while the Obama camp continues playing “whack a mole” in regards to questions about Obama’s natural-born status.

Three things have made me take an interest in this sideshow saga and made me at least somewhat increasingly open to the idea that Barack Obama may in fact have been born in Kenya. The first is that the Kenyan ambassador to the United States has openly admitted that Obama was born in Kenya.

Mike In The Morning Calls The Kenyan Embassy (101 WRIF Radio, Detroit, Michigan)

Radio Host:
One more quick question, president elect Obama’s birthplace over in Kenya is that going to be a national spot to go visit where he was born?

Kenyan Ambassador:
It is already an attraction. His paternal grandmother is still alive.

Radio Host:
But his birth place, they will put up a marker there?

Kenyan Ambassador:
It will depend on the government. It is already well known.

The sound clip can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH4GX3Otf14. 

The second is that soon to be Secretary of Commerce and current New Mexico governor Bill Richardson is on record as stating that Obama is “an immigrant”. An odd thing to say if it were not true, and an outright lie otherwise. You can view the video clip at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5OUdj_YIpo&eurl=http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83114&feature=player_embedded.

Perhaps the strongest anecdotal evidence is that Obama’s own paternal grandmother has said on multiple occasions that she was there when Barack was born in Kenya. Obama’s Kenyan half brother and half sister have also stated that Obama was born in Kenya. None of this anecdotal evidence is conclusive but combined with Obama’s steadfast refusal to release his long form birth certificate it plants the seeds of suspicion and makes you really want to ask a simple question. What is he hiding? And why?

The real fun to be had with this story is not that Obama for any reason would be somehow decreed ineligible as the next President of the United States (it won’t happen) but that there apparently is no oversight at all to the election process and a candidates eligibility for that office. Wouldn’t it, and shouldn’t it, be common sense and standard practice that some official or semi-official body like the Federal Election Commission or the respective major political parties require that all candidates for President of the United States provide proof that they meet the requirements for the office as stated in the Constitution? Is that really too much to ask?

Barack Obama has held elected office on the federal level, won his parties nomination for President, and then was elected President of the United States, all without providing proof that he is in compliance with the provisions laid down very plainly in the Constitution. One should be able to declare such a scenario as inconceivable, yet it appears to be all too true.

And for those of you who have studied history in any detail, the truth is far more often stranger than fiction. Obama may fall, and in many ways he already does, into that category. Who would have thought that an “I vote present” product of the incredibly corrupt Chicago political machine with a Leftist ideology, a Muslim stepfather, a socialistic economic policy, a radical spiritual mentor, and who is beholden to a domestic terrorist for the launching of his political career could so easily be elected to the Presidency of the United States of America? If I had pitched that scenario to you two years ago you would have called me crazy yet that is exactly the situation we find ourselves in.

I do believe this will probably not be little more than an interesting political sideshow that will end up as just another bizarre footnote in annals of history. It is somewhat disturbing though that we are apparently willing to just wave  constitutional requirements for the highest office of the land whenever we see fit. One has to believe that altering and tampering with basic constitutional provisions is probably not very wise and not healthy for our form of government.

The glaring disgrace here is that Obama should have been forced to prove his eligibility for office (they all should) before the first primary election or caucus was held and that the Democratic Party failed miserably in its duty to make sure that they were offering up a legitimate and eligible candidate as their presidential nominee.

If indeed Barack Obama is constitutionally ineligible for the highest office in the land, and could theoretically be an unconstitutional president, it is not the child who dared mention that “The Emperor has no clothes!” who is being “embarrassing and destructive” by bringing this up, but the Democratic party and the electoral system as a whole which allowed an unqualified candidate with unproven, dubious credentials to be allowed to appear on the ballot in a national election.

In the worse case scenario we will have taken just another baby step towards losing our Republic and the rule of law when that dusty and irritating Constitution becomes something to just be ignored or set aside whenever it might be inconvenient, or upset some people, or just be impractical for this particular “situation”.

Maybe we have reached the point where we just set aside parts of the Constitution if they are inconvenient and that might potentially be a problem for He Who Will Slow the Rising of the Seas and the fainting, ecstatic, potentially angry mob who propelled him to power. We have already journeyed a ways down the road once traveled by ancient Rome where the elites began to worry about the mood and reactions of the masses who openly threatened disorder and mayhem if they were unhappy, while those who held the reigns of power increasingly ignored the once revered rules that had held their political system together.

At the time of the publication of this article, Barack Obama still had not proved his eligibility to serve as President of the United States as defined by Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution of the United States of America. And he probably remains unable to do so.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: 911truthers; artbell; astupidvanity; bho2008; birthcertificate; blackhelicopters; certifigate; conspiracytheories; crackerhead; csection; kkk; obama; obamatruthfile; rinobullies; rubberroom; scotus; sos; tinfoil; tinfoilhats; weruletheworld
Mens News Daily is not a bad rag for this news to appear in. As well, they have made note that everyone has heard this story--only in the negative.

Why have they heard this story? Because the MSN was following it closely. On Monday when SCOTUS refused to hear Donofrio's case there were over 500 articles posted world wide on that story. (but nothing on the network news.) On Tuesday there were another 200 stories filed in newspapers online and off world wide. On wednesday there were another 100 stories files filed.)

So the whole world knows about this.

1 posted on 12/12/2008 1:59:02 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

At the time of the publication of this article, Barack Obama still had not proved his eligibility to serve as President of the United States as defined by Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution of the United States of America. And he probably remains unable to do so.

For Heaven’s Sake, there is a simple way to put this issue to rest! Why doesn’t Barack Hussein Obama do it? Is this the ‘circus’ they plan to ‘entertain’ us with?


2 posted on 12/12/2008 2:03:18 PM PST by griswold3
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To: ckilmer
"they have made note that everyone has heard this story"

But never mention how much money Hussein has spent to not show his BC.

3 posted on 12/12/2008 2:03:36 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: Nightshift; tutstar

gnip...


4 posted on 12/12/2008 2:04:38 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: ckilmer

FROM: Leo Donofrio:
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

[UPDATE]: 11:26 AM - Dec. 12 2008 : Rumors of a decision denying Cort’s application are unequivocally false. A SCOTUS Spokesperson just told Cort Wrotnowski there has been no decision. She indicated there will be no decision until Monday. The conference is sealed, no clerks are allowed in.]


5 posted on 12/12/2008 2:04:38 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: ckilmer

Also, Obama was out of the country - remember that campaign rally in Germany - so maybe we can get him diqualified on the basis he was not in the nation for 14 years before becoming President.


6 posted on 12/12/2008 2:07:05 PM PST by FFranco
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To: ckilmer

Better he prove it now than be forced into proving it for a foreign nation.


7 posted on 12/12/2008 2:08:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: ckilmer

WTF is wrong with the USSC that they won’t enforce the Constitution? There may be five alleged conservatives on that court but their credibility is wearing thin for me.


8 posted on 12/12/2008 2:09:47 PM PST by MahatmaGandu (Remember, remember the 26th of November.)
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To: MahatmaGandu

I believe the SCOTUS will resolves this issue in time. Just wish they would have issued a stay today to halt the Electoral College from voting Monday until the issue is resolved. We have to wait until Monday for the decision on whether they will hear the Wrotnowski case or not. Makes for a long wait!


9 posted on 12/12/2008 2:14:30 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: ckilmer

To me a key question is this: what passport did he use when he traveled to Pakistan? And what nationality did he claim when he went to college?

Someone who has dual nationality is supposed to affirm the nationality he chooses once he is of age. If he claimed some nationality other than US, that would be significant. Whatever happened to him as a child was not of his doing. What he did once he was of age, he is responsible for.


10 posted on 12/12/2008 2:15:00 PM PST by marron
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To: Deaf Smith

The man is a fraud. He has had an army of attorneys and detective finding and burying his history since he first ran for office in Illinois. The effort appears to have heated up when he decided to run for president. His own admission at his website that his father was a British subject and that he also was born a British citizen means that he is not a natural born citizen because the framers wanted only American loyalties for Presidents not split loyalties, as in dual citizenship. The man may have even more than one citizenship he’s used in his adult life, which further proves his divided loyalties. He is, however, a typical democrat.


11 posted on 12/12/2008 2:17:17 PM PST by papagall (Atta boys are great to collect, but one dagnabit wipes out dozens of them.)
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To: ckilmer

Dear SCOTUS,
Give this bozo 24 hours to provide proof of birth. If he
fails, order him to pack his bags and leave the country.
Done deal, no more time wasted.


12 posted on 12/12/2008 2:18:18 PM PST by Fireone (Homeland security is 100,000 rounds of dry ammo and 10 cords of dry firewood.)
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To: seekthetruth

Remember that Obama isn’t the president elect until the electoral college votes. It may be that the SC has to wait until then. I’m hoping that is the case.


13 posted on 12/12/2008 2:22:22 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: griswold3

It’s time to DQ Obama from the Presidency (and that’s well past due)! We know where he was born in Kenya, but nobody knows where he was born in Hawaii.

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244


14 posted on 12/12/2008 2:24:03 PM PST by real_patriotic_american
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To: ckilmer

Look, not one of the real conservative radio and TV talk show hosts are mentioning this issue. So there can be no way this is a real issue. They are the know all, see all, punditry of the right.

How can we who are of such lowly stature even think we know more than the great ones of radio?

Oh, and no “real” conservatives in office are saying anything, so no way this is for real.

END SARCASM

Their silence is deafening. Where are those who we thought were our voices on the right?

Can it be that no longer spaek for conservatives, but now speak for there own positions?

Who will rise up with these 20 souls tried and true to defend our country?

Patriots everyone of them.


15 posted on 12/12/2008 2:26:53 PM PST by stockpirate (Rush, Sean, Laura, Mark, Ann, Malkin, Beck- MIA re: COLB, Have lost ALL creds!)
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To: LucyT

pinger


16 posted on 12/12/2008 2:27:30 PM PST by stockpirate (Rush, Sean, Laura, Mark, Ann, Malkin, Beck- MIA re: COLB, Have lost ALL creds!)
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To: marron
"Whatever happened to him as a child was not of his doing."

That's logical, but unwise. Would you be okay with the leader of the Soviet Union visiting America, having sex with a teenager American girl, fostering a child, indoctrinating that child in "world views" for 35 years, and then buying the U.S. Presidency through the child using Soviet money funneled through the main stream media? I would not. There is, however, a parallel between that scenario and what is happening today. Better to err on the side of caution and toss both Obama and McCain. The risk is too great.
17 posted on 12/12/2008 2:28:55 PM PST by so_real
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To: griswold3
For Heaven’s Sake, there is a simple way to put this issue to rest!

I've never - not once, heard anyone mention the name of the hospital Obama was born in. There couldn't be that many hospitals in Honolulu.

18 posted on 12/12/2008 2:29:12 PM PST by floozy22 (Somewhere in Illinois a village is missing a terrorist)
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To: ckilmer

Here’s another view-which says-in essence-this whole matter is unadulterated BS - promoted and promulgated by a certain author,and a small group of “activists”, whose motives are uncertain.


20 posted on 12/12/2008 2:48:01 PM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: genefromjersey
Hammer meets nail!!!! LOL!!!
21 posted on 12/12/2008 2:51:38 PM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: ckilmer
There was some whispering about Senator John McCain’s own natural-born citizenship status

Whispering? The whispering was about Barky.

22 posted on 12/12/2008 2:54:06 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (What's Obama's Secret?)
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To: ckilmer
So the whole world knows about this.

True, but they do not care.

Watch...the powers that be will kick this up in high gear if Obama doesn't play ball with the New World Order people. They'll use it as a legal excuse to be rid of him.

23 posted on 12/12/2008 2:54:11 PM PST by pray4liberty (Always vote for life!)
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To: floozy22

For Heaven’s Sake, there is a simple way to put this issue to rest!
I’ve never - not once, heard anyone mention the name of the hospital Obama was born in. There couldn’t be that many hospitals in Honolulu.”

In his many pages of his “memoirs”, NObama has named 2 (TWO) different hospitals where he was “born” in Hawaii.
Neither hospital has any record of Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) being there for anything- much less the birth of The Messiah.
Are there any “mangers” near either hospital? I don’t know.


24 posted on 12/12/2008 2:58:26 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: ckilmer

The Kenyan is above the law.


25 posted on 12/12/2008 3:05:21 PM PST by pallis
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To: ridesthemiles
Neither hospital has any record of Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) being there for anything- much less the birth of The Messiah.

Are there any “mangers” near either hospital? I don’t know.

Perhaps you've hit upon something. You have to be human to be a citizen. A "messiah" isn't human and, therefore, can't be a citizen.

</case closed>

26 posted on 12/12/2008 3:06:59 PM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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To: ckilmer

Everyone is going about this issue all wrong.

Get INF involved first.

Their decision will tell the SCOTUS what to do.


27 posted on 12/12/2008 3:16:05 PM PST by hsrazorback1 (Seek truth.)
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To: hsrazorback1

Sorry....

INS


28 posted on 12/12/2008 3:17:52 PM PST by hsrazorback1 (Seek truth.)
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To: Daddynoz

Precisely. Many good men throughout history have been denied the mantle of POTUS for the benefit of the nation. They were not victims. A weak man claims to be a victim. A strong man finds other avenues of patriotism. No single man is worth discarding the protections afforded through adherence to the Constitution. All presidential candidates are replaceable. And, in the defense of the Constitution, I am pleased to advocate just that.


29 posted on 12/12/2008 3:34:38 PM PST by so_real
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To: ckilmer
"So the whole world knows about this."

Only the few who happen to read those newspapers know about it. Not too many in America read any newspaper these days. Most definitely do not know about it.

30 posted on 12/12/2008 3:37:25 PM PST by apt4truth
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To: pallis
Welcome to New Kenya (Africa U.S.A.)

"Where the law of the Jungle has replaced the Law of the Land"

31 posted on 12/12/2008 3:38:17 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: seekthetruth

“She indicated there will be no decision until Monday. The conference is sealed, no clerks are allowed in.”

Thanks, seekthetruth. I’ve been wondering today how it was going. Not receiving a decision until Monday was kind of what I expected. Not really sure if that is good or bad.

It’s interesting that “no clerks are allowed in”. It that the usual way of doing things?


33 posted on 12/12/2008 3:47:58 PM PST by Humal
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To: Humal

I don’t know if that is the usual way of doing things. I got the information straight from Leo at his web site. He posts updates that are true, and corrects the MSM when they put out something false or misleading. I tell everyone that if they are interested in what is going on to keep checking Leo’s web site and Joe Thunder’s web site.

Leo: http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

Joe Thunder:http://freedommarch.org/Home_Page.html

Bob Shultz coming up on Plains Radio now.
http://www.plainsradio.com/


34 posted on 12/12/2008 4:17:15 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: floozy22
I've never - not once, heard anyone mention the name of the hospital Obama was born in. There couldn't be that many hospitals in Honolulu.

People have, Obama's people that is. His sister for example. But they, she, have reported two different hospitals. One of which did not exist at the time.

It's really too bad those birth listings in two Honolulu papers did not mention which hospital the baby was born in. The ones in my local paper did, and there were several when I was born, and still are.

There were 8 reported for Wed. 10 December. (They have it on line too. :)) 4 in each of two hospitals. (Probably the only ones with Maternity wards.)

35 posted on 12/12/2008 4:18:30 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: griswold3

It’s not for entertainment, although this is truly soap opera material. Obamination and friends have an agenda, and I believe his total disregard for open discussion has something to do with the destruction of the document that makes the rules, the Constitution. Not written in stone, but the principles it is built upon are. He is just hitting his head against those principles because Constitution or not, those principles are eternal, and those disregarding them now, will pay for eternity.

Sounded good, eh?


36 posted on 12/12/2008 4:20:13 PM PST by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: marron
Whatever happened to him as a child was not of his doing.

Sorry, the Constitution doesn't care about that.

If he was born in Kenya, then everything else doesn't matter. He was born in Kenya to a father who was a British subject. So any talk about not having control over events when you're born is irrelevant.

37 posted on 12/12/2008 4:50:00 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: ckilmer
This post has several comments and documentation about the official name and Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth of the next President of the United States.

The first image is a copy of the Certification of Live Birth document which has been repeatedly “published” on a number of web sites as the Official version of Obama’s birth record from the State of Hawaii.

According to this document his full proper name is Barack Hussein Obama II. Also note that there is no actual place of birth (hospital, plantation, farm, pine apple field, log cabin, manger, etc.) shown in this document.

I am sure that Chief Justice Roberts, before he swears in Obama as President of the United States, will personally review an actual vaulted copy of the original long form of Obama's birthing records which the State of Hawaii, Director of Health, Chiyome Fukino, MD has publicly announced that she has on file.

It would be shame for the Chief Justice Roberts of the United States to go down in history as the first Chief Justice to incorrectly swear in a new President of the United States by not using his full and correct name even if he was not born in this country.

As a point of comparison please note the second image in this post. This is what a genuine Copy of a Certificate of Live Birth (some data redacted) issued by the State of Hawaii, Department of Health in July 1962 for the Birth of a male child in February 1962 on the Island of Oahu looks like. Note in this document the State of Hawaii, Department of Health official embossed seal and official signatures of the then Director of Health, Leo Bernstein, MD and the then Registrar General, Charles G. Bennett. The State of Hawaii officials' signatures and the date the document was issued are underlined in red. This document is a photographic copied image. It is a black background document with white letters which clearly were created by a 1962 typewriter.

A document similar to this is what most of the lawsuits about the record of birth of Obama are asking to be released for public viewing. Of course the United State Supreme Court, all nine members, is refusing to see and review a similar document for Barack Hussein Obama II.

Please note boxes #6a through 6d of the document shown in the second image. There is key data to be found in #6 boxes and well as the supporting data as in the #7 boxes in the first image. Box #16 (New Hampshire) shows the birth place of the mother. Box #11 (Pennsylvania) shows the birth place of the father. (In the modern secular world this person would also most likely be known as just the sperm donor.)

Also please note that in the first image no Department of Health official embossed seal, which should be raised and embedded in the paper, is to be found on this (official) document.

Judge Robert, please note.

______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Certification-Of-Live-Birth-Obama-1961 Certificate-of-Live-Birth-Hawaii-1962

38 posted on 12/12/2008 4:50:03 PM PST by NewEnglander
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Other than the ramblings of some goofy old woman in Africa (grandma), what do we have to pin down his possible birth in Kenya?


39 posted on 12/12/2008 4:53:38 PM PST by hunter112 (We seem to be on an excrement river in a Native American watercraft without a propulsion device.)
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To: papagall
The man is a fraud.

That says it all.

40 posted on 12/12/2008 4:56:28 PM PST by Churchillspirit
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To: hunter112
Other than the ramblings of some goofy old woman young man in Africa (grandma) Chicago, what do we have to pin down his possible birth in Kenya Hawaii?
41 posted on 12/12/2008 5:19:53 PM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: ckilmer

There is no question 0bama is hiding something.


42 posted on 12/12/2008 6:14:24 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: ridesthemiles

You’ve never hear of Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children ? The Honolulu Advertiser and other newspapers sure have !

They say that’s where Obama was born.

Ahrrr.... What do they know ??


43 posted on 12/12/2008 8:28:59 PM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Remember that Obama isn’t the president elect until the electoral college votes.

The full Congress then has to certify the vote.

Here's a chart clearly demonstrating the requirements for natural born US citizen, US citizen and native born US citizen.

Obama doesn't stand the test.

45 posted on 12/12/2008 11:11:14 PM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: Beckwith

I forgot the link!

http://www.theobamafile.com/NaturalBornCitizenChart.htm

It’s late (early).


46 posted on 12/12/2008 11:11:59 PM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: Beckwith

Thanks for the link and info.


47 posted on 12/13/2008 5:11:57 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: ckilmer
According to the birthing record documents which the next President of the United States has had published on the internet, his legal given name at birth was Barack Hussein Obama II.

It has been reported in the press this week that the next President of the United States intends to be sworn in as Barack Hussein Obama, which is clearly not his legal birth name.

I am sure that Chief Justice Roberts, before he swears in Obama as President of the United States, will personally review an actual vaulted copy of the original long form of Obama's birthing records which the State of Hawaii, Director of Health, Chiyome Fukino, MD has publicly announced that she has on file.

It would be shame for the Chief Justice Roberts of the United States to go down in history as the first Chief Justice to incorrectly swear in a new President of the United States by not using his full and correct name even if he was not born in this country.

48 posted on 12/13/2008 10:18:42 AM PST by NewEnglander
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