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California passes rules for cleaner diesel trucks
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 12/12/08 | Peter Henderson

Posted on 12/12/2008 6:15:55 PM PST by NormsRevenge

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) – California on Friday became the first state in the country to force big diesel trucks to clean up their exhaust, despite warnings from truckers the new rules will force them out of business.

About a million vehicles, from big rigs to school buses, are affected by the new rules, which will begin taking effect in 2011 and do not require further ratification.

Some vehicles will have to start retrofitting engines in 2011 and some older trucks will be forced into retirement starting in 2012. By 2023, all trucks must meet 2010 new engine emission standards.

The rules regulate smog-causing oxides of nitrogen, which are greenhouse gases, and particulate matter, which is toxic. The California Air Resources Board estimated the regulations would cost about $5.5 billion. It put the health benefits of cleaner air at $48 billion to $69 billion over the next couple of decades.

The move by California, the leading U.S. state on climate change, complements a detailed strategy to cut carbon emissions that the board passed on Thursday as part of its sweeping plan to cut carbon emissions to 1990 levels by 2020.

While the federal government has no such rules for trucks or carbon, President-elect Barack Obama has said that climate change will be a priority when he takes office in January.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab32; calenergy; california; cleanenergy; cleaner; dieseltrucks; energy; globalwarming; rules

1 posted on 12/12/2008 6:15:55 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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A tanker truck is shown during morning rush hour on a freeway in Los Angeles, California June 10, 2008. gallon. California became the first state in the country to force big diesel trucks to clean up their exhaust, despite warnings from truckers the new rules will force them out of business. (Fred Prouser/Reuters)


2 posted on 12/12/2008 6:17:37 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed)
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To: NormsRevenge
despite warnings from truckers the new rules will force them out of business.

That should be fun to watch, when shelves go bare because there aren't enough trucks to get product there -- or prices start skyrocketing, forcing more of the idiots who voted for these lawmakers to flee to places like my state (where the d*mned locusts will do it all over again).

3 posted on 12/12/2008 6:20:50 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: NormsRevenge

California needs to pass rules limiting morons in the State government as well as morons like Pelosi, Feinstein, and Boxer representing the State. We seem to have an over abundance of clueless politicians in this state just like Massachusetts and Illinois.


4 posted on 12/12/2008 6:21:22 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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Honk if yur tired of this rush to the bottom of the abyss in the name of ‘green’ health. what next?


5 posted on 12/12/2008 6:21:53 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed)
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To: NormsRevenge

Keep it up California...it’s now comical.


6 posted on 12/12/2008 6:22:44 PM PST by BobL
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To: NormsRevenge
HONK

Soooo tired of "green" this and "green" that.
7 posted on 12/12/2008 6:26:11 PM PST by stentorian conservative
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To: ExTexasRedhead

NY and Mass. liberals have exported more than their fair share Westward Ho who ran for office here, and then screwed this place up something terrible. Gray Davis for one (NY) and an assortment of Kennedys in the Schwarzenegger mob.

side note .. Al FRanken, born in NY.


8 posted on 12/12/2008 6:27:02 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed)
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To: NormsRevenge

Does that include Mexican trucks? My guess is not.


9 posted on 12/12/2008 6:27:22 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Freedom's Fortress")
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To: NormsRevenge
With incentives the Truckers will clean their trucks.

Hubba Hubba!

10 posted on 12/12/2008 6:28:30 PM PST by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: NormsRevenge

California will lose its trucking industry and then gladly pay out of state/country businesses to do it for them... or starve.


11 posted on 12/12/2008 6:29:55 PM PST by MarineBrat (You can only find truth with logic if you have already found truth without it.)
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To: MarineBrat
Bet money on the fact that their new rules do not apply to NAFTA, ie. mexican trucks.!!!!
12 posted on 12/12/2008 6:32:40 PM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: NormsRevenge

In the meantime, consider these investments:

CLNE
WPRT

Now available at bargain prices.


13 posted on 12/12/2008 6:32:51 PM PST by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: BobL
Keep it up California...it’s now comical.

Unfortunately, California "leads the nation" in all this crap....if it flies here, it'll fly where you live, eventually. You can bet on it. History doesn't lie.

14 posted on 12/12/2008 6:34:50 PM PST by ErnBatavia ("Zero"..STILL using that stupid "Office of The President Elect" podium....)
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To: MarineBrat

How long will we contniue to elect the dumbest among us? They are now predicting a nearly 50 billion dollar budget deficit, and the morons in the California Legislature are still attacking businesses.


15 posted on 12/12/2008 6:35:39 PM PST by Yogafist
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To: Yogafist

anyway to kick california out of the union?


16 posted on 12/12/2008 6:36:26 PM PST by remaxagnt
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To: sionnsar

Hhhhmmmm ....

I wonder if we could get some laws passed that require Californicator’s to stay in their own da*n state.

I’m absolutely tired of them screwing up Colorado.

The only consolation is them many of them return their mortal remains to the earth after the first snow of the year. Most of these folks have never driven in the snow and seem to believe that 4WD vehicles can magically defy the laws of physics.


17 posted on 12/12/2008 6:36:31 PM PST by JoeVet
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To: NormsRevenge; Red Badger

cough, cough PING!


18 posted on 12/12/2008 6:42:04 PM PST by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: NormsRevenge

bump


19 posted on 12/12/2008 6:44:26 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: JoeVet
LOL, the only issue I would have with such a law is that I would never have been able to escape from Kalifornia. (I didn't move there willingly --I was not quite old enough to have a say-- but when the time came I Got Out.)

Most of these folks have never driven in the snow and seem to believe that 4WD vehicles can magically defy the laws of physics.

We see them all the time here in the Seattle area. Generally the accidents are not fatal but newcomers, whether from no-snow realms like CA or from old-hands realms like CO, are frequently surprised at the treachery of Seattle roads even with only a couple inches of snowfall. (Snowfalls here often result in "snow/slush on ice," occasionally water on ice, and "black ice" is a frequent hazard.)

20 posted on 12/12/2008 6:44:26 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: NormsRevenge

Big diesel trucks should just avoid California. If you don’t go there, you don’t have to live with the rules and the people who made the rules will either starve in the dark or move to where the food is and STFU.


21 posted on 12/12/2008 6:52:22 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: sionnsar
What happens as the trucks grind to a hault is that small private operations will pop up to move most of the same freight by automobile.

This will take place from the railhead at Sparks Nevada to various points in California.

This is exactly what happened when California drove the direct mail advertising business out of the state.

22 posted on 12/12/2008 6:54:21 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Interesting.


23 posted on 12/12/2008 6:58:17 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: remaxagnt

Trade them to canada for alberta, saskatchewan, vancouver island, yukon, and mackenzie. NOt british columbia though. I don’t like them.


24 posted on 12/12/2008 6:58:55 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: muawiyah

When you say “automobile”, are you meaning pickup trucks and U-hauls? Or station wagons and minivans?


25 posted on 12/12/2008 7:00:55 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: NormsRevenge

Ya know there’s not a law on the books I know of that says trucks must deliver any goods to California unless they are under a state, federal, or private contract to do so. Otherwise the trucks may go where they please and take loads they please elsewhere. Meaning let the rigs stay out and see how quick it’s lawmakers fall to their knees. The time frame of their surrender would be measured in hours.


26 posted on 12/12/2008 7:03:43 PM PST by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: mamelukesabre

They start out as automobiles. But you know those crazy Mexicans over there in Bell ~ they’ll take their cutters and turn ‘em into light trucks. Now that’s going to take boosting the suspension a bit, but that’s a trivial problem for guys doing low riders.


27 posted on 12/12/2008 7:12:49 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: cva66snipe
Seems to me this might create a business opportunity in Nevada for transfers. So called clean trucks would complete the delivery.
28 posted on 12/12/2008 7:20:48 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: remaxagnt

We better figure that out, because this state is going to drag this country down with it.


29 posted on 12/12/2008 7:44:28 PM PST by Yogafist
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To: muawiyah

yeah. You mean those minivans that have been converted into pickups. I’ve seen them. Those are unibody vehicles with the roof cut off...a disaster waiting to happen.


30 posted on 12/12/2008 7:45:32 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: JoeVet
I wonder if we could get some laws passed that require Californicator’s to stay in their own da*n state.

I’m absolutely tired of them screwing up Colorado.

Colorado use to be a nice state.

That was before California craziness spread east.

31 posted on 12/12/2008 7:45:42 PM PST by TYVets
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To: NormsRevenge
The move by California, the leading U.S. state on climate change,...

They may lead on junk science about climate change, but that's about it.

32 posted on 12/12/2008 7:48:29 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Yea it might but still it's the principle of it. Cali is already a tough state to run in. I drove OTR for a while in the mid 80's. Cali then was not a preferred run even in a company owned truck. If you went into the LA area back then you had best be pulling a reefer or you'd be there a spell getting a load out. The Port Of Entry at either the Nevada or Arizona/Cali line as they called it was a PITA. It was like taking your rig through an armed forces entrance physical exam as they left no parts of it untouched.

Only one state was as bad at that time and I think for some reason it was Vermont. They closed the roads including interstate to trucks on Sunday. I have yet to figure out how they got by doing that one.

33 posted on 12/12/2008 7:49:50 PM PST by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: mamelukesabre
Just like that but even better ~ 1990's type Chevys too.

Unibody.

Plywood floors.

Guys riding shotgun protecting valuable cargos of 53" HDTVs.

But the evil diesel engines will be gone and all the illegal aliens will have jobs!

34 posted on 12/12/2008 7:52:22 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: neodad

Mexican trucks will be exempt.. thus have all the business...


35 posted on 12/12/2008 7:54:01 PM PST by JoanneSD (illegals represented without taxation.. Americans taxed without representation)
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To: Yogafist

Fox news was going down the list of California expenditures this afternoon, one that popped out at me was $117 million a year for illegal immigrants to attend college in CA.


36 posted on 12/12/2008 8:00:13 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: NormsRevenge

they can vote anything they want but... it might take awhile.

Corning Inc. lays off 43 local workers

ERWIN, N.Y. – Forty-three workers at these Corning plants in the town of Erwin are out of a job. The local union president says he and his members fear they’re not going to be the only ones.

“Will it get worse? How much worse will it get? How long will it be before the economy at least finally hits the bottom so we can start to hope to see it pick up? And right now it just feels more like a freefall,” said Michael Walker, Local 1000 President.

Corning has recently announced plans to scale back to weather the struggling economy. Those plans have included staff reductions. But for the most part, they’ve been in other states and countries. Now the layoffs are hitting home.

“We have seen before where here in the Valley, we’re going really strong, yet some of the branch plants are being hurt because their particular part of the economy is being affected. But what’s really different with this is looks like all sectors of the economy are going to be impacted by it,” Walker said.

Corning’s Diesel and Erwin plants make parts for diesel engines and the union president says their fate is somewhat tied to that of the ailing automotive industry. Corning officials say the economy is affecting the diesel and other businesses. The union president says the company has been handling the situation as well as can be expected.

“Corning’s been very good about communicating with us the best they can. And they don’t like to pull that trigger any quicker than they have to. But they have also shared their concern about how soft the businesses are,” said Walker.

In a statement, Corning officials say they don’t have any other layoffs to announce. But they said, “We continue to closely monitoring this situation and will make the necessary business decisions to maintain profitability and meet our customer needs.”

At a technology conference Wednesday, Corning’s chief financial officer told attendees the company could make more layoffs or reductions to adjust to a lower sales rate. He said Corning would announce any decisions with fourth quarter earnings next month.


37 posted on 12/12/2008 8:02:52 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: sionnsar

“That should be fun to watch, when shelves go bare because there aren’t enough trucks to get product there”

Sounds like a perfect “John Galt moment”....

Will the truckers lay down their burdens and shrug?

- John


38 posted on 12/12/2008 8:32:14 PM PST by Fishrrman
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To: Arizona Carolyn
$117 million a year for illegal immigrants to attend college in CA.

This is a gross underestimate. Probably by a factor of 10.

39 posted on 12/12/2008 8:39:49 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: NormsRevenge; FrPR; enough_idiocy; Desdemona; rdl6989; Little Bill; IrishCatholic; Normandy; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

40 posted on 12/13/2008 5:39:58 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: cva66snipe
Don't plan on I-35 or I-90 in a big snow storm in Minnesota. They barricade the entrance ramps and its a $700 fine it you get caught going around one.
41 posted on 12/13/2008 6:16:22 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Even if accurate it is appalling and if, as you say it is times three, then the people in California need to rise up and take the state back or get the heck out of dodge... I just hope only the conservatives come to Arizona, we still have a GOP majority in this state... and are fighting illegals here.


42 posted on 12/13/2008 10:52:22 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: shove_it; retrokitten; wideawake; stainlessbanner; nmh; driftdiver; HuntsvilleTxVeteran; ...

Cough ping!..........


43 posted on 12/15/2008 5:09:03 AM PST by Red Badger (Never has a man risen so far, so fast and is expected to do so much, for so many, with so little...)
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