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Obama's "natural born" problem
Renew America ^ | | David Huntwork

Posted on 12/12/2008 9:18:49 PM PST by ckilmer

December 12, 2008

Obama's "natural born" problem
By David Huntwork

By now you are probably aware that there have been a multitude of lawsuits filed in regards to the question of whether or not President-elect Barack Obama is in fact eligible under the "natural born" provision of the Constitution of the United States of America to be the President of the United States (POTUS).

The Constitutional provisions are very specific when it comes to the minimal qualifications for President. One is to be over thirty-five. He is. Two, is being in the country fourteen years. He has been. Three, is to be a natural-born citizen. The latter remains unproven, a matter of contention, and appears to be increasingly unlikely to be true.

There are several variations on this theme, but the general and most often made argument is relatively simple and straightforward.

The Plaintiff in one of the filed suits put it this way.

The Obama campaign had insisted from the very beginning that Barack Obama was in fact born in the state of Hawaii which would automatically make him eligible for the highest office of the land. All US citizens are issued a birth certificate within a short time after birth. It would be very simple, and take about five minutes, for the Obama organization to put this rumor to rest and prove once and for all that this is just some wild conspiracy from the Internet rumor mill that should be mocked and ignored as simply "sour grapes" by a die hard few.

Except that Obama has steadfastly refused to release his birth certificate and has shown the willingness to spend a large amount of money on legal fees while enduring increasingly bad publicity by refusing to release it or any hospital records associated with a birth in the state of Hawaii.

One of the cases filed with the Supreme Court also raised the circumstances of Obama's time during his youth in Indonesia, where he was listed as having Indonesian citizenship. Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship at that time, raising the possibility of Obama's mother having given up his U.S. citizenship. Any subsequent U.S. citizenship then, the case claims, would be "naturalized," not "natural-born."

There have also been suspicions that Obama's college records may indicate he received aid as a foreigner, and that could be the reason why those records were never released.

The questions of his birth certificate and constitutional eligibility for POTUS have been ongoing for months. Unlike the convoluted conspiracies and "innovative" conjectures that have been leveled against various presidents including Bill Clinton and the current holder of the office, this particular allegation of constitutional ineligibility would be extremely easy to refute and the entire mess could be over in just a matter of minutes. The logical conclusion is that there has to be some sort of reason that this document (if it exists) has not been released. There is obviously something to hide here and I am not alone in my interest in what that may be.

Months ago the Obama campaign, in an attempt to "answer" this question, posted a copy of what was said to Obama's "Certification of Live Birth" on the official Obama website. The Main Stream Media and the Progressive blogosphere quickly and proudly pointed to it and proclaimed the case closed. Unfortunately, the posting of that document actually raised as many or more questions than it had supposedly answered. The computer-generated "Certification of Live Birth" is used by the state of Hawaii in lieu of the "Certificate of Live Birth," or if originally filed, a "Delayed Certificate of Birth," or even a "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth." For verification purposes, however, the "Certification of Live Birth" does not indicate which birth record "root document(s)" that the Certification is based upon.

Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child's birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence. Obama's certification of live birth doesn't list a hospital, attending physician, or any witnesses of the birth that could be tracked down and investigated. The posted document is essentially worthless as any sort of proof that Obama was born in the United States and simply put does not prove natural-born status. Yet that document is the only evidence that Barack Obama has so far produced that he is in fact eligible to be the President of the United States.

My initial hunch was that Obama was in fact not born in Kenya, but that the name on the birth certificate was not "Barack Obama" but some other, possibly "Barry" with perhaps even a different last name (his mother's?). It is also perhaps an amended birth certificate (not uncommon in cases of adoption by a step parent) listing his now legal name as "Barry Sotoero" and thus somehow a cause of embarrassment or a potential political liability. Obama's adoption in Indonesia by his stepfather Lolo Sotoero would make that a very plausible scenario.

Such speculation is obviously conjectural. But much of Obama's youth is shrouded in mystery especially in regards to his Islamic schooling, upbringing in Indonesia, drug use, and later ties to a variety of radical and questionable characters and mentors. With that in mind, perhaps an actual birth in Kenya wouldn't be all that surprising but merely the icing on the cake when it comes to the strange, twisted and contradictory tale of Barack Obama's life.

There was some whispering about Senator John McCain's own natural-born citizenship status and POTUS eligibility early on and to his credit he produced his long form birth certificate in record time putting such questions to rest very quickly. Meanwhile, many months later, we are still sifting through rumors, Supreme Court petitions, multiple lawsuits from all over the country, and articles like this one while the Obama camp continues playing "whack a mole" in regards to questions about Obama's natural-born status.

Three things have made me take an interest in this sideshow saga and made me at least somewhat increasingly open to the idea that Barack Obama may in fact have been born in Kenya. The first is that the Kenyan ambassador to the United States has openly admitted that Obama was born in Kenya.

The sound clip can be found at

The second is that soon to be Secretary of Commerce and current New Mexico governor Bill Richardson is on record as stating that Obama is "an immigrant." An odd thing to say if it were not true, and an outright lie otherwise. You can view the video clip at

Perhaps the strongest anecdotal evidence is that Obama's own paternal grandmother has said on multiple occasions that she was there when Barack was born in Kenya. Obama's Kenyan half brother and half sister have also stated that Obama was born in Kenya. None of this anecdotal evidence is conclusive but combined with Obama's steadfast refusal to release his long form birth certificate it plants the seeds of suspicion and makes you really want to ask a simple question. What is he hiding? And why?

The real fun to be had with this story is not that Obama for any reason would be somehow decreed ineligible as the next President of the United States (it won't happen) but that there apparently is no oversight at all to the election process and a candidates eligibiliy for that office. Wouldn't it, and shouldn't it, be common sense and standard practice that some official or semi-official body like the Federal Election Commission or the respective major political parties require that all candidates for President of the United States provide proof that they meet the requirements for the office as stated in the Constitution? Is that really too much to ask?

Barack Obama has held elected office on the federal level, won his parties nomination for President, and then was elected President of the United States, all without providing proof that he is in compliance with the provisions laid down very plainly in the Constitution. One should be able to declare such a scenario as inconceivable, yet it appears to be all too true.

And for those of you who have studied history in any detail, the truth is far more often stranger than fiction. Obama may fall, and in many ways he already does, into that category. Who would have thought that an "I vote present" product of the incredibly corrupt Chicago political machine with a Leftist ideology, a Muslim stepfather, a socialistic economic policy, a radical spiritual mentor, and who is beholden to a domestic terrorist for the launching of his political career could so easily be elected to the Presidency of the United States of America? If I had pitched that scenario to you two years ago you would have called me crazy yet that is exactly the situation we find ourselves in.

I do believe this will probably not be little more than an interesting political sideshow that will end up as just another bizarre footnote in annals of history. It is somewhat disturbing though that we are apparently willing to just wave constitutional requirements for the highest office of the land whenever we see fit. One has to believe that altering and tampering with basic constitutional provisions is probably not very wise and not healthy for our form of government.

The glaring disgrace here is that Obama should have been forced to prove his eligibility for office (they all should) before the first primary election or caucus was held and that the Democratic Party failed miserably in its duty to make sure that they were offering up a legitimate and eligible candidate as their presidential nominee.

If indeed Barack Obama is constitutionally ineligible for the highest office in the land, and could theoretically be an unconstitutional president, it is not the child who dared mention that "The Emperor has no clothes!" who is being "embarrassing and destructive" by bringing this up, but the Democratic party and the electoral system as a whole which allowed an unqualified candidate with unproven, dubious credentials to be allowed to appear on the ballot in a national election.

In the worse case scenario we will have taken just another baby step towards losing our Republic and the rule of law when that dusty and irritating Constitution becomes something to just be ignored or set aside whenever it might be inconvenient, or upset some people, or just be impractical for this particular "situation."

Maybe we have reached the point where we just set aside parts of the Constitution if they are inconvenient and that might potentially be a problem for He Who Will Slow the Rising of the Seas and the fainting, ecstatic, potentially angry mob who propelled him to power. We have already journeyed a ways down the road once traveled by ancient Rome where the elites began to worry about the mood and reactions of the masses who openly threatened disorder and mayhem if they were unhappy, while those who held the reigns of power increasingly ignored the once revered rules that had held their political system together.

At the time of the publication of this article, Barack Obama still had not proved his eligibility to serve as President of the United States as defined by Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution of the United States of America. And he probably remains unable to do so.

© David Huntwork

TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: artbell; birthcertificate; conspiracy; csection; goofy; kook; naturalborncitizen; newbie; obama; obamatruthfile; rubberroom; scotus; tinfoil; tinfoilhat
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To: Fred Nerks

Fred, he’s not even the first ‘black president elect’ because he was spawned from a white woman’s womb, not a black woman’s womb! The entire image is a scam, foisting an affirmative action poseur.

21 posted on 12/12/2008 10:46:41 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: ckilmer

Thanks for posting—very well written, laid outpiece.

22 posted on 12/12/2008 10:51:18 PM PST by Freedom56v2
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To: ckilmer

This chart clearly demonstrates US citizen, native born US citizen and natural born US citizen requirements.

23 posted on 12/12/2008 10:52:16 PM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: DemonDeac
This is the first i’ve heard of this.

if you mean ALL of it, you need to read

THE OBAMA FILE:link here.

I’m sure this story will have great legs

it's all over the Net - but nothing in the MSM.

and that people aren’t working themselves up over something that will never happen.

just what is that you think will never happen?

24 posted on 12/12/2008 10:52:19 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM)
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The entire image is a scam, foisting an affirmative action poseur...

and that's only IF his father was who he claims him to have been. We STILL do not know if that's true.

25 posted on 12/12/2008 11:01:45 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM)
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I have repeatedly explained this, exactly as you have here, to a great many people at FR. Always the rejoinder is: show us where it is stated, in the Constitution or in statutes, that a “natural born Citizen” must be born in the United States to parents who are both U.S. Citizens.

And always I am stumped - “natural born Citizen” is never defined, either in the U.S.Constitution, nor in other Federal statutes. It has been quite frustrating.

Obviously the Supreme Court must get off their backsides and do this NOW!

26 posted on 12/12/2008 11:31:50 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: Curiousity; MilspecRob; Fred Nerks; Calpernia; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; ...
Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Obama, admits on his own website that he held British citizenship at birth due to his Father being a British subject and in no way an American.

Thus Barry is precisely whom Bingham was implying is not a 'natural born citizen' regardless of where he was born, for purposes of Constitutional eligibility.

Thanks, Fred Nerks and MHGinTN.

Pinging to "The Heart of the Matter".

27 posted on 12/12/2008 11:40:09 PM PST by LucyT
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To: so_real
Does or does not the Constitution protect our Democratic Federal Republic ,,,
28 posted on 12/12/2008 11:43:27 PM PST by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: DemonDeac
I’m sure this story will have great legs and that people aren’t working themselves up over something that will never happen.

Your intended sarcasm expresses exactly the sort of so-called "pragmatism" that has allowed incrementalists such as Obama the opportunity to usurp the presidency. It's been building for decades, and it's no coincidence that so many aspects of "citizenship" are being sorely tested of late.

29 posted on 12/12/2008 11:52:10 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: ckilmer
"If in fact Obama was born in Kenya, the laws on the books.....blah, blah..

Screw the laws!

"If in fact Obama was born in Kenya then 0bama should be tossed out on his ass for forging government documents (his COLB), Lying to the nation, concealing his true identity, applying for a job that he knew full well he was unqualified for.

Nixon was canned for less.

It's the cover up, stupid!

30 posted on 12/13/2008 12:32:14 AM PST by Wil H (No Accomplishments, No Experience, No Resume No Records, No References, Nobama..)
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To: SatinDoll

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

Anyone born inside the United States
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

31 posted on 12/13/2008 12:39:35 AM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed.... so how could it be Redistributed?)
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To: allmendream

At first I thought the bc issue was silly, people grasping at straws, however after reading everything I could find on this subject, indeed it appears he is hiding something. I want to see that sealed bc in Hawaii and why would he keep fighting and hiring attorneys instead of just showing it? I don’t think he can, there is something to this, the question is what?

32 posted on 12/13/2008 12:47:29 AM PST by KellyM37
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To: allmendream; All
a good friend of mine, born in Philippines of Chinese parents immigrated to the US in the 70’s..
He told me this whole Birth cert nonsense is not important
Obuma got elected, he should be president even if he was born in Africa. The constitution cannot overrule the vote.
Allowing millions of these voters here legally and illegal over the years and this is what you get.
The immigration issue has it's effects far and wide in what type of government we end up with..a case in point.
33 posted on 12/13/2008 3:23:44 AM PST by shadowgovernment (From the Ashes of a Republican rout will raise a Conservative Party)
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To: shadowgovernment
34 posted on 12/13/2008 3:49:47 AM PST by Fred911 (YOU GET WHAT YOU ACCEPT)
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To: LucyT

Thank, LucyT

Post #27 Ping.

35 posted on 12/13/2008 3:56:15 AM PST by Iowan
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To: LucyT
I am thoroughly convinced that Obama is still, legally, an Indonesian citizen. He WAS adopted by Soetoro or else he could not have attended Indonesian state schools. That's why he first went to the Catholic school (expensive). He had to, until the adoption was finalized. He then transferred into the Indonesian state school system.

By US law (United States Code), Obama had six months after his 18th birthday to reapply for his American citizenship. That period was at the heighth of his drugging. I strongly suspect he didn't comply. Further, two years later, he traveled to Pakistan, unquestionably on his Indonesian passport, since Americans weren't welcome there and Paky was off limits to Americans per the State Department.

36 posted on 12/13/2008 4:43:33 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: allmendream
Here's a visual chart. It makes understanding the citizenship issue easy.

The Natural Born Citizen Chart

37 posted on 12/13/2008 4:45:49 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: ckilmer

His father not being a US citizen automatically makes him ineligible.

Definition of Natural Born:
Law of Nations

38 posted on 12/13/2008 5:01:58 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity
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To: pandoraou812

The birth certificate is a moot issue. Natural born is defined as both parents being US citizens. Obama Senior was not a US citizen. Obama should never have been allowed this far.

Definition of Natural Born:
Law of Nations

39 posted on 12/13/2008 5:06:42 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity
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To: SatinDoll

Definition of Natural Born:
Law of Nations

40 posted on 12/13/2008 5:12:04 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity
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