Skip to comments.OBAMA WATCH CENTRAL Thousands advise electors to check eligibility
Posted on 12/13/2008 10:31:50 AM PST by ckilmer
If documents some day prove Barack Obama is not eligible to be president under the U.S. Constitution, none of the 538 Electoral College members who vote him into office Monday will be able to claim ignorance.
That's after 3,653 citizens had enough concern over the allegations, they participated in a WND effort to deliver letters to every elector, urging them to investigate.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.
from obama's own site factcheck.org by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth
When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdoms dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.
This will come out.
He probably isn’t a natural born citizen, but it’s scary to see how no one cares! Even if proof that he’s not a citizen is put forth, they’d probably just change the Constitution!
Seems like there’s one rule of law for some people, and another for “the one”.
As long as one parent is a US citizen, a person is born a citizen. The US has never recognized other countries claims to US citizens (in part why the War of 1812 was fought). No court is going to rule otherwise. SCOTUS just looked at this issue and rejected it (again). This stuff just makes conservatives look kooky. I suggest spending time and energy on fighting about issues instead.
if the electors vote for this moron, and later it is proven he was not eligible, everyone of the electors who voted for him should be tried for treason, then shot.
Wrong. You have some reading to do to get up to date on this issue!
Wow. So much hyperbole for a story of such little substance.
According to the birthing record documents which the next President of the United States has had published on the internet, his legal given name at birth was Barack Hussein Obama II.
It has been reported in the press this week that the next President of the United States intends to be sworn in as Barack Hussein Obama, which is clearly not his legal birth name.
I am sure that Chief Justice Roberts, before he swears in Obama as President of the United States, will personally review an actual vaulted copy of the original long form of Obama's birthing records which the State of Hawaii, Director of Health, Chiyome Fukino, MD has publicly announced that she has on file.
It would be shame for the Chief Justice Roberts of the United States to go down in history as the first Chief Justice to incorrectly swear in a new President of the United States by not using his full and correct name even if he was not born in this country.
I think there is enough of America at this stage informed enough that IF the electoral college decides to ignore the constitutional requirements as stated of natural born there will be no support for the electoral college in any future election.
People will just stop voting regardless of the outcome.
I for one would gladly look into a complete overhaul of the electoral college.
You've probably nailed the most fundamental problem we have, which is the fact that this society has grown fat, happy, complacent, apathetic, and STOOPID (sic). When I compare my father's generation, a generation that lived through the Great Depression AND saved the world from tyranny, with our society right now, I just shake my head.
I've come to believe that nothing short of another catastrophic challenge will wake the masses around us.
MM (in TX)
They got Al Capone for tax evasion. Remember? Or are you one of those who think that for the good of the country the Constitiution should be torn up?
You might enjoy this, written by one Leo Donofrio about Chet’s origins and alleged lies.
I’m not so sure the people don’t care but rather that people don’t understand the nuances related to constitution vs. the Obama complex.
Got to leave now and inject $$$’s into the US economy. Some call it it Christmas shopping. Can’t wait to deal with the mobs out there -NOT.
If the electors don’t care, then it goes to Congress for certification. If Congress doesn’t care, then there’s their respective oaths of office. If the citizens of the respective states represented by these members of Congress, violating their oath of office, don’t care, then Obama will enter the office of President.
Yeah, they got Al Capone for something he really did. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen, so the analogy doesn’t fit.
As for the Constitution, that’s such a common (and pitiful) fallback for the CertifiTruthers, that I’ve decided to address it on my blog and simply refer you guys to it whenever you bring it up...
Oh my you goof....so what if he is a citizen that’s not the issue...he is NOT a natural born citizen.
I have no desire to visit your blog.
The truther insult is getting old. Why don’t you try racist, homophobic or bigot like those at the DU.
God forbid anyone actually want to see public proof of Obama’s origins.
As long as one parent is a US citizen, a person is born a citizen. The US has never recognized other countries claims to US citizens (in part why the War of 1812 was fought). No court is going to rule otherwise. SCOTUS just looked at this issue and rejected it (again). This stuff just makes conservatives look kooky. I suggest spending time and energy on fighting about issues instead.””
Please go back and read some of the prior threads on this topic.
Stanley Ann would have had to be at least 19 years old under the laws of the USA at the time of NObama’s birth.
She was only 18.
The Post itself, in fact, claimed the "allegations have been repeatedly debunked by the Obama campaign and news outlets."
Didn't President Clinton and all his cabinet members "debunk" the rumor that Monica was crawling under his desk?
Ahhh, yes, like the “you hate/don’t care about/want to shred the constitution” bit isn’t stale? It’s a crutch you stand on because you know there is no rhyme or reason to believe the truther garbage (”I’ve seen no real reason to believe that Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii, but I’ve seen lots of rumors and innuendo, and dang it, I’m really fighting for the Constitution if I spread this baseless smear!”).
ping BHO BC
How’s BROE V REED sound? The Washington Supreme Court has set a date for the case Broe v. Reed, to be heard en banc on January 8, 2009. All the “kooks” will be looking at this one! It has a nice ring to its name as well!
The liberal argument always has to end with name-calling. Alinsky worship actually compels followers to engage in ridicule.
Allow me to embrace the pejorative “truther.” All I ever want is the truth. Each person elected to POTUS needs to prove he meets the three qualifications. Does Obama? Probably. But there are some doubts that he needs to quash.
If a guy who looks like a teenager wants to buy a sixpack, but he is actually 23, we still need to see his ID. Miller Time is thereafter.
Well, we know the truth. Obama was born in Hawaii. Now will you give it up?
Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: First a right to life, secondly to liberty, and thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can.
He who is void of virtuous attachments in private life is, or very soon will be, void of all regard for his country. There is seldom an instance of a man guilty of betraying his country, who had not before lost the feeling of moral obligations in his private connections.
How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!
It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds.
It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.
Mankind are governed more by their feelings than by reason.
Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty.
The Constitution shall never be construed... to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.
The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil constitution, are worth defending against all hazards: And it is our duty to defend them against all attacks.
The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on Earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but only to have the law of nature for his rule.
We cannot make events. Our business is wisely to improve them.
And a quote that’s directly related to current events:
The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men.
Hmm, I don’t recall “show an ID” as one of the requirements in the Constitution. It’s completely absurd that this story keeps getting brought up. It doesn’t help our side, it only helps Obama. He has already given proof of his eligibility, he doesn’t have to do more just because a bunch of conspiracy theorists reject either the authenticity or the relevance of the document. The courts are obviously satisfied. 99% of Americans are pretty much satisfied. The bantering of a small minority on the Internet cannot and will not change the fundamental truth the Obama is an American citizen and is eligible for the presidency.
You absolutely know this for a fact, do you?
We know where Obama was born in Kenya, but nobody knows where he was born in Hawaii.
If Obama was born in Kenya, he is not a natural born US citizen, no matter who his parents were.
There is speculation that after he was born in Kenya... (and Kenyans now revel in the fact that he was born there and they know exactly the place)... his mother returned to Hawaii, where until 1973, they issued a birth cerificate that is different from the one required to be POTUS. Having a Hawaiian BC means nothing, since they would issue it to any child born outside the USA, if one parent had resided in Hawaii.
That is why the Hawaiian BC is sealed. It would reveal he was not born in Hawaii, but in Kenya.
Also note that investigators have called every Hawaiian hospital to see if O was born at any of them and none have answered in the affirmative.
If he was an honest man, and a genuine natural born US citizen he would have not spent a million dollars in lawyers to hide his worthless sealed Hawaiian BC. He is not a natural born citizen. Any of us would be able to show our US COLBs in 5 minutes. He will not do the same. He is a liar.
“Well, we know the truth. Obama was born in Hawaii. Now will you give it up?”
The only truth we know is that you’re an (probably profesional) Obama supporter.
An image was posted to a website or websites, with the certification number blacked out, which invalidates the "certificate," regardless of whether this image is otherwise authentic or not.
So, no, he hasn't given proof of his eligibility.
Go back to DU.
Nobody wants you on these threads.
Yours is the poorest excuse for aa educated opinion as I have ever seen.
“I’m right, you’re wrong, that’s all there is to it.”
That’s it? That’s your arguement?
If ever there was a snot nose, acne embellished child stuck in his parents basement,
It would be U.
And it’s well past your bedtime twerp.
That turns out not to be the case. The law has changed from time to time.
In 1961 when Obama was born, and for decades before and after, the law required that the US Citizen parent to have lived in the US for a total of at least 10 years, Obama's mother had, but it also required that at least 5 of those years be after the parent's 14th birthday. Obama's mother had not. She was only 18 when Barrack was born, and only 17 when she got pregnant. Thus, if BHO was born outside the US he was not a citizen at birth. (The current law requires 5 years, 2 after the 14th birthday. IMHO, that is not enough to satisfy the intent of the Natural Born, provision of the Constitution, but it is the current law).
If the man is not eligible, then he's not duly elected, is he? If he is eligible, then we don't want to keep him from office, now that the election has been held that is. Before then, he wasn't elected, and technically won't be until the electors vote and their votes are counted, and then we did want to keep him from office.
Check out the third post video, made to send to the electors before tomorrow:
The Constitution says:
Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.".
OTOH, I wouldn't want to be standing too close to "The Messiah" (whose?) when he utters those words.
We can multi-task quite well, thank you very much.
Besides the "real" controversy is unlikely to touch The One is pure as the driven snow, 'cause the media tells us so and will do their best not to tell us otherwise.
They are separate issues. Being a crook, let alone one not even indicted for anything, does make one not "eligible to the Office of President". Being an illegal alien, or even just a naturalized citizen, does.
If it's exposed before, such that the Electoral College votes for someone besides Obama, that will create a really huge mess. On the other hand, if the issue were forced after, the 20th Amendment would provide a remedy: Barack could be told that he can take as long as he wants to present his birth certificate; Biden will serve as Acting President until he does. At no point would Barack Obama have to be disqualified from office; if he is ineligible he would be in an awkward position, but if a sufficiently prestigious ambassadorship or something opens up he might conveniently withdraw into that.
does notmake one not "eligible to the Office of President". Being an illegal alien, or even just a naturalized citizen, does.
Probably, but since there is no requirement for anyone to "handle the swearing" in, it's hard to say that if the one who does fails to validate the eligibilty of the person being sworn, it has any legal or moral implication at all.
But I think you miss my point as well. Suppose the Chief Justice refused to swear him in without proof of eligiblity? I'm sure one of the 4 liberal Justices, or some friendly Chicago area federal judge would do the job instead. Or he's just sign the oath and be done with it.
Would you not like to see that happen? Especially the public explanation of his refusal to administer the oath.