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OBAMA WATCH CENTRAL Thousands advise electors to check eligibility
WND ^ | December 13, 2008 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 12/13/2008 10:31:50 AM PST by ckilmer

If documents some day prove Barack Obama is not eligible to be president under the U.S. Constitution, none of the 538 Electoral College members who vote him into office Monday will be able to claim ignorance.

That's after 3,653 citizens had enough concern over the allegations, they participated in a WND effort to deliver letters to every elector, urging them to investigate.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: artbell; avanity; bho2008; birthcertificate; blackhelicopters; certifigate; csection; obama; obamatruthfile; rinobullies; rubberroom; scotus; sos; tenfoilhats; tinfoilers
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Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"



Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.



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from obama's own site factcheck.org by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

1 posted on 12/13/2008 10:31:50 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

This will come out.


2 posted on 12/13/2008 10:34:15 AM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: ckilmer

He probably isn’t a natural born citizen, but it’s scary to see how no one cares! Even if proof that he’s not a citizen is put forth, they’d probably just change the Constitution!

Seems like there’s one rule of law for some people, and another for “the one”.


3 posted on 12/13/2008 10:40:24 AM PST by Joann37
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To: ckilmer

As long as one parent is a US citizen, a person is born a citizen. The US has never recognized other countries claims to US citizens (in part why the War of 1812 was fought). No court is going to rule otherwise. SCOTUS just looked at this issue and rejected it (again). This stuff just makes conservatives look kooky. I suggest spending time and energy on fighting about issues instead.


4 posted on 12/13/2008 10:45:26 AM PST by Hugin (GSA! (Goodbye sweet America))
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5 posted on 12/13/2008 10:45:55 AM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: ckilmer

if the electors vote for this moron, and later it is proven he was not eligible, everyone of the electors who voted for him should be tried for treason, then shot.


6 posted on 12/13/2008 10:46:01 AM PST by rigelkentaurus
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To: Hugin
As long as one parent is a US citizen, a person is born a citizen.

Wrong. You have some reading to do to get up to date on this issue!

7 posted on 12/13/2008 10:49:37 AM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: ckilmer
If documents some day prove Barack Obama is not eligible to be president under the U.S. Constitution, pigs fly out of a monkey's rear end...

I swear, this week we get a real controversy involving corruption and bribery and you people still want to chase after this windmill? How many times will a court have to say "no dice" before you finally give this nonsense up?
8 posted on 12/13/2008 10:49:58 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Obama is for (leaving you with pocket) change.)
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To: rigelkentaurus

Wow. So much hyperbole for a story of such little substance.


9 posted on 12/13/2008 10:51:17 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Obama is for (leaving you with pocket) change.)
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To: ckilmer
The Official Birth Name of the Next President of the United States

According to the birthing record documents which the next President of the United States has had published on the internet, his legal given name at birth was Barack Hussein Obama II.

It has been reported in the press this week that the next President of the United States intends to be sworn in as Barack Hussein Obama, which is clearly not his legal birth name.

I am sure that Chief Justice Roberts, before he swears in Obama as President of the United States, will personally review an actual vaulted copy of the original long form of Obama's birthing records which the State of Hawaii, Director of Health, Chiyome Fukino, MD has publicly announced that she has on file.

It would be shame for the Chief Justice Roberts of the United States to go down in history as the first Chief Justice to incorrectly swear in a new President of the United States by not using his full and correct name even if he was not born in this country.

10 posted on 12/13/2008 10:51:22 AM PST by NewEnglander
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To: ckilmer

I think there is enough of America at this stage informed enough that IF the electoral college decides to ignore the constitutional requirements as stated of natural born there will be no support for the electoral college in any future election.

People will just stop voting regardless of the outcome.

I for one would gladly look into a complete overhaul of the electoral college.


11 posted on 12/13/2008 10:55:18 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Americans should lead America, its the right way.)
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To: Joann37
He probably isn’t a natural born citizen, but it’s scary to see how no one cares!

You've probably nailed the most fundamental problem we have, which is the fact that this society has grown fat, happy, complacent, apathetic, and STOOPID (sic). When I compare my father's generation, a generation that lived through the Great Depression AND saved the world from tyranny, with our society right now, I just shake my head.

I've come to believe that nothing short of another catastrophic challenge will wake the masses around us.

MM (in TX)

12 posted on 12/13/2008 10:55:26 AM PST by MississippiMan
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To: Hugin
As long as one parent is a US citizen, a person is born a citizen.

Look at the history of Chester Arthur. Why was Chet in such a fret to cover up the fact that his father did not become a U.S. citizen until over a decade after he was born?
13 posted on 12/13/2008 10:57:44 AM PST by aruanan
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

They got Al Capone for tax evasion. Remember? Or are you one of those who think that for the good of the country the Constitiution should be torn up?


14 posted on 12/13/2008 11:02:46 AM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: aruanan

You might enjoy this, written by one Leo Donofrio about Chet’s origins and alleged lies.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/president-chester-arthur-et-al-why-they-aren%E2%80%99t-precedent-for-obama%E2%80%99s-eligibility/


15 posted on 12/13/2008 11:04:15 AM PST by Canedawg ("The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it")
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To: Joann37; ckilmer

I’m not so sure the people don’t care but rather that people don’t understand the nuances related to constitution vs. the Obama complex.

Got to leave now and inject $$$’s into the US economy. Some call it it Christmas shopping. Can’t wait to deal with the mobs out there -NOT.

Later All...


16 posted on 12/13/2008 11:11:09 AM PST by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: ckilmer

If the electors don’t care, then it goes to Congress for certification. If Congress doesn’t care, then there’s their respective oaths of office. If the citizens of the respective states represented by these members of Congress, violating their oath of office, don’t care, then Obama will enter the office of President.


17 posted on 12/13/2008 11:29:26 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Smokeyblue

Yeah, they got Al Capone for something he really did. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen, so the analogy doesn’t fit.

As for the Constitution, that’s such a common (and pitiful) fallback for the CertifiTruthers, that I’ve decided to address it on my blog and simply refer you guys to it whenever you bring it up...

http://lonestarconservative.blogspot.com/2008/12/note-to-certifitruthers.html


18 posted on 12/13/2008 11:41:15 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Obama is for (leaving you with pocket) change.)
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To: Hugin

Oh my you goof....so what if he is a citizen that’s not the issue...he is NOT a natural born citizen.


19 posted on 12/13/2008 11:43:53 AM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

I have no desire to visit your blog.

The truther insult is getting old. Why don’t you try racist, homophobic or bigot like those at the DU.

God forbid anyone actually want to see public proof of Obama’s origins.


20 posted on 12/13/2008 11:53:51 AM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Hugin

As long as one parent is a US citizen, a person is born a citizen. The US has never recognized other countries claims to US citizens (in part why the War of 1812 was fought). No court is going to rule otherwise. SCOTUS just looked at this issue and rejected it (again). This stuff just makes conservatives look kooky. I suggest spending time and energy on fighting about issues instead.””

Please go back and read some of the prior threads on this topic.

Stanley Ann would have had to be at least 19 years old under the laws of the USA at the time of NObama’s birth.

She was only 18.


21 posted on 12/13/2008 11:59:40 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: ckilmer
From the article:

The Post itself, in fact, claimed the "allegations have been repeatedly debunked by the Obama campaign and news outlets."

Didn't President Clinton and all his cabinet members "debunk" the rumor that Monica was crawling under his desk?

22 posted on 12/13/2008 12:11:17 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Hugin
This stuff just makes conservatives look kooky. I suggest spending time and energy on fighting about issues instead.

I disagree. It makes Conservatives look like students of the Constitution and followers thereof.

I suggest you listen to or read The Federalist Papers. We've "conveniently forgotten" what our Fore Fathers said. It's time to recall and restudy. Past time.
http://www.americanaphonic.com/
23 posted on 12/13/2008 12:12:31 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (Cultural conditions, not gun laws, are the most important factors in a nation's crime rate.)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
I swear, this week we get a real controversy involving corruption and bribery and you people still want to chase after this windmill? How many times will a court have to say "no dice" before you finally give this nonsense up?

As Long As It Takes To Get To The Truth!

Veritas vos Liberabit!
24 posted on 12/13/2008 12:14:37 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (Cultural conditions, not gun laws, are the most important factors in a nation's crime rate.)
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To: Smokeyblue

Ahhh, yes, like the “you hate/don’t care about/want to shred the constitution” bit isn’t stale? It’s a crutch you stand on because you know there is no rhyme or reason to believe the truther garbage (”I’ve seen no real reason to believe that Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii, but I’ve seen lots of rumors and innuendo, and dang it, I’m really fighting for the Constitution if I spread this baseless smear!”).


25 posted on 12/13/2008 12:15:16 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Obama is for (leaving you with pocket) change.)
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To: Don Corleone

ping BHO BC


26 posted on 12/13/2008 12:15:45 PM PST by TNoldman (Conservative Values FOREVER!)
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To: Hugin

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2148287/posts
How’s BROE V REED sound? The Washington Supreme Court has set a date for the case Broe v. Reed, to be heard en banc on January 8, 2009. All the “kooks” will be looking at this one! It has a nice ring to its name as well!


27 posted on 12/13/2008 12:16:03 PM PST by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

The liberal argument always has to end with name-calling. Alinsky worship actually compels followers to engage in ridicule.

Allow me to embrace the pejorative “truther.” All I ever want is the truth. Each person elected to POTUS needs to prove he meets the three qualifications. Does Obama? Probably. But there are some doubts that he needs to quash.

If a guy who looks like a teenager wants to buy a sixpack, but he is actually 23, we still need to see his ID. Miller Time is thereafter.


28 posted on 12/13/2008 12:16:05 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: HighlyOpinionated

Well, we know the truth. Obama was born in Hawaii. Now will you give it up?


29 posted on 12/13/2008 12:19:18 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Obama is for (leaving you with pocket) change.)
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To: All

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It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.
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And a quote that’s directly related to current events:

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30 posted on 12/13/2008 12:19:37 PM PST by Eye of Unk (Americans should lead America, its the right way.)
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To: Yaelle

Hmm, I don’t recall “show an ID” as one of the requirements in the Constitution. It’s completely absurd that this story keeps getting brought up. It doesn’t help our side, it only helps Obama. He has already given proof of his eligibility, he doesn’t have to do more just because a bunch of conspiracy theorists reject either the authenticity or the relevance of the document. The courts are obviously satisfied. 99% of Americans are pretty much satisfied. The bantering of a small minority on the Internet cannot and will not change the fundamental truth the Obama is an American citizen and is eligible for the presidency.


31 posted on 12/13/2008 12:28:53 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Obama is for (leaving you with pocket) change.)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen,

You absolutely know this for a fact, do you?

32 posted on 12/13/2008 12:49:31 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (NO Kenyan Usurpers in the White House - NObama ! WE WILL TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY!)
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To: shield

We know where Obama was born in Kenya, but nobody knows where he was born in Hawaii.

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244


33 posted on 12/13/2008 1:02:18 PM PST by real_patriotic_american
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To: Hugin

If Obama was born in Kenya, he is not a natural born US citizen, no matter who his parents were.

There is speculation that after he was born in Kenya... (and Kenyans now revel in the fact that he was born there and they know exactly the place)... his mother returned to Hawaii, where until 1973, they issued a birth cerificate that is different from the one required to be POTUS. Having a Hawaiian BC means nothing, since they would issue it to any child born outside the USA, if one parent had resided in Hawaii.

That is why the Hawaiian BC is sealed. It would reveal he was not born in Hawaii, but in Kenya.

Also note that investigators have called every Hawaiian hospital to see if O was born at any of them and none have answered in the affirmative.

If he was an honest man, and a genuine natural born US citizen he would have not spent a million dollars in lawyers to hide his worthless sealed Hawaiian BC. He is not a natural born citizen. Any of us would be able to show our US COLBs in 5 minutes. He will not do the same. He is a liar.


34 posted on 12/13/2008 1:14:36 PM PST by TheConservativeParty ("A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not why the ship was built." by The First Gal of AK)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

“Well, we know the truth. Obama was born in Hawaii. Now will you give it up?”

The only truth we know is that you’re an (probably profesional) Obama supporter.


35 posted on 12/13/2008 1:18:25 PM PST by Nipfan (The desire to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it - H L Mencken)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
He has already given proof of his eligibility

An image was posted to a website or websites, with the certification number blacked out, which invalidates the "certificate," regardless of whether this image is otherwise authentic or not.

So, no, he hasn't given proof of his eligibility.

36 posted on 12/13/2008 2:50:09 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

Go back to DU.
Nobody wants you on these threads.


37 posted on 12/13/2008 4:15:20 PM PST by patriot08
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To: ckilmer
Auger will vote for Obama Monday along with Colorado electors Margaret Atencio of Denver, Polly Baca of Denver, Ann Knollman of Arvada, Terry Phillips of Louisville, Pam Shaddock of Greeley, Don Strickland of Centennial, Jennifer Trujillo-Sanchez of Colorado Springs and Wellington Webb of Denver. She ridiculed those with concerns about Obama's eligibility. "I took them seriously enough that I was concerned that there are that many nutty people in the country making depressing, absurd allegations," she told the Denver Post. "There are so many problems in the country right now, we need to work together."

I'll tell you what Ms. Auger - I fully intend to give you zer0bama the same respect and civility in order to 'come together in unity' that you marxist side gave to President #43. That is my pledge to the liberal left wackos like Camilla Auger who spends some of her time "teaching Marxist theory at a university," she was upset that anyone would raise concerns about Obama.
38 posted on 12/13/2008 7:36:19 PM PST by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

Yours is the poorest excuse for aa educated opinion as I have ever seen.
“I’m right, you’re wrong, that’s all there is to it.”
That’s it? That’s your arguement?

If ever there was a snot nose, acne embellished child stuck in his parents basement,
It would be U.

And it’s well past your bedtime twerp.


39 posted on 12/13/2008 7:58:52 PM PST by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: Hugin
As long as one parent is a US citizen, a person is born a citizen.

That turns out not to be the case. The law has changed from time to time.

In 1961 when Obama was born, and for decades before and after, the law required that the US Citizen parent to have lived in the US for a total of at least 10 years, Obama's mother had, but it also required that at least 5 of those years be after the parent's 14th birthday. Obama's mother had not. She was only 18 when Barrack was born, and only 17 when she got pregnant. Thus, if BHO was born outside the US he was not a citizen at birth. (The current law requires 5 years, 2 after the 14th birthday. IMHO, that is not enough to satisfy the intent of the Natural Born, provision of the Constitution, but it is the current law).

40 posted on 12/14/2008 7:30:46 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
That reality is that it is not us who are trashing the constitution, it is you. Yes, yes, in the midst your faux rage over a pretended controversy, you are trying your best to keep from office the duly elected president of the United States!

If the man is not eligible, then he's not duly elected, is he? If he is eligible, then we don't want to keep him from office, now that the election has been held that is. Before then, he wasn't elected, and technically won't be until the electors vote and their votes are counted, and then we did want to keep him from office.

41 posted on 12/14/2008 8:05:27 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: All

Check out the third post video, made to send to the electors before tomorrow:

http://caosblog.com/


42 posted on 12/14/2008 8:37:46 AM PST by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray)
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To: NewEnglander
It would be shame for the Chief Justice Roberts of the United States to go down in history as the first Chief Justice to incorrectly swear in a new President of the United States by not using his full and correct name even if he was not born in this country. There is no requirement that a President use his entire legal name. Ronald Reagan did not use his middle name, Wilson, for example. For that matter there is no requirement for the Chief Justice, or any Justice to conduct the swearing. All that is mere tradition. LBJ was sworn in by Federal District Court Judge Sarah T. Hughes. But any President could merely swear and/or sign his oath of office.

The Constitution says:

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation: — "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.".

OTOH, I wouldn't want to be standing too close to "The Messiah" (whose?) when he utters those words.

43 posted on 12/14/2008 9:08:08 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
I swear, this week we get a real controversy involving corruption and bribery and you people still want to chase after this windmill?

We can multi-task quite well, thank you very much.

Besides the "real" controversy is unlikely to touch The One is pure as the driven snow, 'cause the media tells us so and will do their best not to tell us otherwise.

They are separate issues. Being a crook, let alone one not even indicted for anything, does make one not "eligible to the Office of President". Being an illegal alien, or even just a naturalized citizen, does.

44 posted on 12/14/2008 9:16:38 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: ckilmer

Barack Obama has walked a straight line in a crooked world, around his associations with Blagojevich, Rezko, Ayers, Emil Jones, Farrakhan, Rev. Wright and others.

Why shouldn't we believe him about his "birth certificate"?


45 posted on 12/14/2008 9:17:18 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: ckilmer
If there is a problem, would it be better that the issue be forced before or after the Electoral College?

If it's exposed before, such that the Electoral College votes for someone besides Obama, that will create a really huge mess. On the other hand, if the issue were forced after, the 20th Amendment would provide a remedy: Barack could be told that he can take as long as he wants to present his birth certificate; Biden will serve as Acting President until he does. At no point would Barack Obama have to be disqualified from office; if he is ineligible he would be in an awkward position, but if a sufficiently prestigious ambassadorship or something opens up he might conveniently withdraw into that.

46 posted on 12/14/2008 9:52:16 AM PST by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: El Gato
I think you miss the point. If the Chief Justice of the United States does handle the swearing of the new President, does he not the have a legal as well as a moral obligation to validate the authenticity of the oath he is administrating?
47 posted on 12/14/2008 10:42:33 AM PST by NewEnglander
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To: El Gato
does make one not "eligible to the Office of President". Being an illegal alien, or even just a naturalized citizen, does.

Make that:

does notmake one not "eligible to the Office of President". Being an illegal alien, or even just a naturalized citizen, does.

48 posted on 12/14/2008 10:57:47 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: NewEnglander
I think you miss the point. If the Chief Justice of the United States does handle the swearing of the new President, does he not the have a legal as well as a moral obligation to validate the authenticity of the oath he is administrating?

Probably, but since there is no requirement for anyone to "handle the swearing" in, it's hard to say that if the one who does fails to validate the eligibilty of the person being sworn, it has any legal or moral implication at all.

But I think you miss my point as well. Suppose the Chief Justice refused to swear him in without proof of eligiblity? I'm sure one of the 4 liberal Justices, or some friendly Chicago area federal judge would do the job instead. Or he's just sign the oath and be done with it.

49 posted on 12/14/2008 11:01:52 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
Suppose the Chief Justice refused to swear him in without proof of eligibility?

Would you not like to see that happen? Especially the public explanation of his refusal to administer the oath.

50 posted on 12/14/2008 11:13:41 AM PST by NewEnglander
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