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New study firmly ties hormone use to breast cancer (What a dumb title, as if there were some doubt?)
The International Herald Tribune ^ | December 13, 2008 | MARILYNN MARCHIONE

Posted on 12/13/2008 9:49:47 PM PST by neverdem

Associated Press

SAN ANTONIO: Taking menopause hormones for five years doubles the risk for breast cancer, according to a new analysis of a big federal study that reveals the most dramatic evidence yet of the dangers of these still-popular pills.

Even women who took estrogen and progestin pills for as little as a couple of years had a greater chance of getting cancer. And when they stopped taking them, their odds quickly improved, returning to a normal risk level roughly two years after quitting.

Collectively, these new findings are likely to end any doubt that the risks outweigh the benefits for most women.

It is clear that breast cancer rates plunged in recent years mainly because millions of women quit hormone therapy and fewer newly menopausal women started on it, said the study's leader, Dr. Rowan Chlebowski of Harbor-UCLA Medical Center in Los Angeles.

"It's an excellent message for women: You can still diminish risk (by quitting), even if you've been on hormones for a long time," said Dr. Claudine Isaacs of Georgetown University's Lombardi Comprehensive Cancer Center. "It's not like smoking where you have to wait 10 or 15 years for the risk to come down."

Study results were given Saturday at the San Antonio Breast Cancer Symposium.

They are from the Women's Health Initiative, which tested estrogen and progestin pills that doctors long believed would prevent heart disease, bone loss and many other problems in women after menopause. The main part of the study was stopped in 2002 when researchers saw surprisingly higher risks of heart problems and breast cancer in hormone users.

Since then, experts have debated whether these risks apply to women who start on hormones when they enter menopause, usually in their 50s, and take them for shorter periods of time. Most of the women...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bcp; breastcancer; oralcontraceptives; prempro; whi
On the Net:

Cancer conference: http://www.sabcs.org

Hormone study: http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/whi/estro_pro.htm

Search "Study ties hormone use to breast cancer" on the net. You'll verify that it's the correct author. I know AP often makes links to articles like this. It's one of the rare qualities in AP that's good.

1 posted on 12/13/2008 9:49:47 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I have heard that there is a huge difference between oral, synthetic (or made from pregnant mares’ urine as in Premarin) estrogen and bio-identical estrogen that is NOT taken through the digestive system but is usually a gel for the skin.

Synthetic and oral estrogens are fairly dangerous but bio-identicals might even prevent cancer. I don’t have a link right now but there is a whole new type of endocrinologist today that is focused on well-being and health through proper replacement of bio-identical hormones for men and women. It’s important NOT to go with these MSM total indictments that throw out the baby with the bathwater.

For example, there is a hormone I never heard of that if restored to normal levels in an elderly man who is hard of hearing, will bring back his hearing enough to make a huge change in the quality of his life.

The key to remember is that the hormones must be bio-identical and must bypass the liver.


2 posted on 12/13/2008 9:59:37 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: neverdem

Estrogen and estrogen mimicing hormones/look-alikes cause cancer. Doctors (MD’s) in an not-to-be-names facility prescribed an estrogen cream for a problem my mother had. She developed cancer from that. She died.

Many, many similar case histories that point to estrogen or to estrogen-like substances support estrogen as being a cancer causitive substance. It is not just breast cancer, it is many other cancers.


3 posted on 12/13/2008 10:00:37 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Yaelle

YES!!!! I am going to write an article....I am so tired of the mis-information out there. Bio-ID hormones are VERY different than the PREMARIN’s....and taking a pill means you SPIKE your hormone temporarily (and probably dangerously) while bio-ID hormones in cream form applied in the vaginal area are near normal....plus you need to take a break from the estrogen, testosterone, etc...for 5 days a month....kinda like a normal estes.....

And, YES....I know what I’m talking about....my doc is the guy who invented bio-ID hormones in cream form....and is keeping me alive...and active.


4 posted on 12/13/2008 10:03:43 PM PST by goodnesswins (CAPITALISM is FUN.........SOCIALISM SUCKS - pass it on.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

So sorry to hear about your Mother....I have a question...was estrogen the ONLY hormone she was taking? Out of balance hormones can cause MANY problems....and when you don’t balance estrogen....well....you know....


5 posted on 12/13/2008 10:05:19 PM PST by goodnesswins (CAPITALISM is FUN.........SOCIALISM SUCKS - pass it on.)
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To: neverdem

I fit no high risk category at all: no family history of breast cancer, no birth control pills, no hormones, had my first children in my twenties, had five of them and nursed every single one of them for over a year, never had an abortion, ate a good diet, drank purified water, exercised, and I still got breast cancer.

One in seven women will get breast cancer. Not all breast cancers are alike either, there are different cell types. I have no idea why I got it. Still in remission but the rest of your life you have a guillotine over your head, wondering when your tumor markers might spike again.

So, bottom line, I don’t trust most of the studies out there studying why women get breast cancer. What really gets me are the ones trying to make women feel guilty if they don’t breastfeed, telling them they are more likely to get cancer if they bottle feed. Well I nursed five children for years and years and still got it. Personally I think those studies are just a bunch of crock.

So just live your life, put your faith and trust in God. That’s all any of us can do. All these studies just drive you crazy if you pay too much attention to them.


6 posted on 12/13/2008 10:06:40 PM PST by deannadurbin
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To: goodnesswins

“...was estrogen the ONLY hormone she was taking?”

Yes.


7 posted on 12/13/2008 10:14:11 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: neverdem

My wife developed breast cancer after going on estrogen replacement. She did not take it orally, but wore a patch which delivered the hormone. My understanding was that estrogen does not necessarily cause breast cancer, but feeds it. So, if any cancer cells are lurking, they will not die off but will be fed by the estrogen and will develop into full-blown cancer.


8 posted on 12/13/2008 10:26:06 PM PST by Sans-Culotte
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To: Sans-Culotte

75% of cancers spread to the bones eventually.

I take Arimidex but it causes bone pain and arthritis. So I take the supplement MSM to help that. I really recommend that to any post-treatment breast cancer patient who is getting bone pain from the post-treatment drugs they keep you on for five years. It’s a common complaint with these drugs. Yeah, it might reduce your risk of recurrence but your bones start cracking and just walking can be painful. That’s what people don’t understand about breast cancer: there are long term side effects that result. When your treatment is over it’s still not over for you. They will always look on you as a sick patient.


9 posted on 12/13/2008 10:32:10 PM PST by deannadurbin
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To: neverdem

Bump for tomorrow...


10 posted on 12/13/2008 10:48:19 PM PST by tubebender (Retirement...The art and science of Killing time before it Kills you...)
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To: goodnesswins

and making lots of money off you. Hormones are hormones.


11 posted on 12/13/2008 10:56:35 PM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: Sans-Culotte
My understanding was that estrogen does not necessarily cause breast cancer, but feeds it.

Oral contraceptives or contraceptive patches, increase the risk for gynecological cancer like smoking increases the risk lung cancer, coronary artery disease, etc. I'm sorry to read about your wife.

12 posted on 12/13/2008 11:02:42 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Mom MD
and making lots of money off you. Hormones are hormones.

Yeah, sure. Testosterone, estrogen, insulin, all the same.

13 posted on 12/13/2008 11:28:44 PM PST by elmer fudd (Fukoku kyohei)
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To: neverdem

bookmark


14 posted on 12/13/2008 11:33:03 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: elmer fudd

the so called bioidentical hormones carry the same risks as the pharmaceutical hormones. But you knew that, you were just demonstrating your advanced medical knowledge.


15 posted on 12/14/2008 5:55:38 AM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: neverdem; deannadurbin
It was in 1996 that my wife came down with cancer. She underwent mastectomy, chemo and took tamoxifen for a time. A year later, she had a reconstruction. In 2004, she had a new occurrence and had a lumpectomy and radiation.

She does not take arrimidex, and stopped taking tamoxifen. While taking tamoxifen, she had such coughing spells she could no longer function. We do some natural holistic things to keep her well.

Funny how doctors who prescribe hormone replacement think the rewards outweigh the risks, but you will not find an oncologist who advocates their use.

16 posted on 12/14/2008 9:29:23 AM PST by Sans-Culotte
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To: Sans-Culotte

That’s odd because I consider I did better physically when on Tamoxifan instead of Femara or Arimidex. He’s had me on all three. I didn’t have the nasty bone pain on Tamoxifan, my counts were normal, no heart troubles like I had with the Herceptin (only took 3 doses of that and had a heart attack), but since being changed to Femara and then Arimidex I get constant bone pain and my counts remain slightly elevated.

I wish he HAD kept me on Tamoxifan!


17 posted on 12/14/2008 10:44:25 AM PST by deannadurbin
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To: Mom MD

More knowledgeable than someone who considers horse hormones and human hormones the same, yes.


18 posted on 12/14/2008 11:11:51 AM PST by elmer fudd (Fukoku kyohei)
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To: Mom MD

Hey, sweetie....you have NO idea what happened to me. I’ll pay the money so I can walk, cross country ski, and jump around like a 30 year old.....the RA doc just wanted to put me on $10,000 a year drugs that would require OTHER drugs to counteract the EFFECTS of those drugs.....


19 posted on 12/14/2008 11:36:33 AM PST by goodnesswins (CAPITALISM is FUN.........SOCIALISM SUCKS - pass it on.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

depends on the TYPE of hormones....


20 posted on 12/14/2008 11:37:30 AM PST by goodnesswins (CAPITALISM is FUN.........SOCIALISM SUCKS - pass it on.)
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To: Mom MD
I took Premirin for 4 years. The first 2 were good, the next 2 years almost drove me crazy. I had all kinds of reactions, my GYN also scoffed that hormones were the problem. I would go off for a while and the reactions would stop, go back on and they would begin again. After about 3 or 4 times I decided my body had not been making hormones about of mare's urine and I stopped for good. Never felt better.
21 posted on 12/14/2008 11:49:30 AM PST by Ditter
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To: neverdem; All

Just a thought....anyone, ANYONE taking ANY kind of hormones should be working with a competent doc to measure ALL your hormones REGULARLY.....DHEA, TESTOSTERONE, PROGESTERONE, ESTROGEN, PREGNENELONE....also you should know the ratio of 2/16 estrogen....and EQ ratio...and know about SSKI.....ANYONE with BREAST CANCER QUESTIONS might want to read this....go here to read more....http://www.tahoma-clinic.com/hrtbreastcancer.shtml


22 posted on 12/14/2008 12:10:47 PM PST by goodnesswins (CAPITALISM is FUN.........SOCIALISM SUCKS - pass it on.)
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To: Sans-Culotte; Ditter

you might want to see post 22


23 posted on 12/14/2008 12:25:43 PM PST by goodnesswins (CAPITALISM is FUN.........SOCIALISM SUCKS - pass it on.)
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To: goodnesswins
I am 68 and I stopped taking Premarin when I was in my mid 50’s. I am not going back there, I'm fine.
24 posted on 12/14/2008 1:30:03 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter

OKAY...but, it’s not about premarin, it’s about nutrients....like SSKI - which is potassium Iodide....a mineral many are deficient in.


25 posted on 12/14/2008 1:57:06 PM PST by goodnesswins (CAPITALISM is FUN.........SOCIALISM SUCKS - pass it on.)
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To: goodnesswins

I take an allergy pill and 1/4 grain aspirin and eat a varied diet. The fewer pills I take the better I am. thanks.


26 posted on 12/14/2008 2:06:38 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter
"The fewer pills I take the better I am."

I'll ditto that!

27 posted on 12/14/2008 3:34:04 PM PST by goodnesswins (CAPITALISM is FUN.........SOCIALISM SUCKS - pass it on.)
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To: Yaelle

My wife and me both take bio-identical s, have our blood work done every three months, and if adjustments are to be made on dosage.Expensive, but worth it.Not wealthy, just would rather feel younger than have a new car, or whatever.


28 posted on 12/14/2008 4:14:19 PM PST by xero
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To: Mom MD

You don’t have a clue about what your talking about, so stop now!


29 posted on 12/14/2008 4:17:41 PM PST by xero
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To: Mom MD
"the so called bioidentical hormones carry the same risks as the pharmaceutical hormones."

That kind of disinformation is cruel! - The opposite has been proven, but the Pharma monsters keep fighting back for the dollars.

30 posted on 12/14/2008 4:56:32 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks allot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: goodnesswins
"the RA doc just wanted to put me on $10,000 a year drugs that would require OTHER drugs to counteract the EFFECTS of those drugs"

Yep, "Follow the MONEY!" - The AMA poison pushers get rich and their 'patients' keep dying years younger than if they had done nothing but eat a preindustrial diet.

31 posted on 12/14/2008 5:01:55 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks allot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Yaelle; neverdem; GGpaX4DumpedTea; goodnesswins; deannadurbin
Dr. Erika Schwartz is a bio-identical hormones pioneer. She knows her stuff, and advocates for women against Big Pharma.

Her website is a must see! It's chock full of info.

http://www.drerika.com

32 posted on 12/14/2008 5:47:59 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Liberalism appeals to individuals who are emotionally based.)
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To: Yaelle; neverdem; GGpaX4DumpedTea; goodnesswins; deannadurbin

I just want to add, for the record, that I morally disagree with her advocacy for the use of IUDs, although this is not part of the current discussion.


33 posted on 12/14/2008 5:57:46 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Liberalism appeals to individuals who are emotionally based.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

dr erika must be a student of my doc...Dr. Wright.....he’s been doing the bio-ID hormones for 30+ years....from what I understand he “invented” them....

And, for those who care....Dr. Wright now has a thermographic Mammogram machine....NO X-rays, and I believe less “pressure” (women no what I mean).....where I’ll get my next Mamm checkup....some postulate that the pushing of the Mammogram has caused SOME of the problems with breast cancer.


34 posted on 12/14/2008 6:13:47 PM PST by goodnesswins (CAPITALISM is FUN.........SOCIALISM SUCKS - pass it on.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall; Yaelle; GGpaX4DumpedTea; goodnesswins; deannadurbin
Dr. Erika Schwartz is a bio-identical hormones pioneer. She knows her stuff, and advocates for women against Big Pharma.

Her website is a must see! It's chock full of info.

She hawking her own wares. Regardless, whether it's bio-identical or not, what matters is what happens intracellularly after the estrogen and progesterone receptors are bound, leaving aside bioavailability, half-life, etc.

35 posted on 12/14/2008 6:32:15 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: goodnesswins
I, and my sister have both cured our RA with natural approaches. My sister was in very bad trouble when it became such a desperate situation that I took to the internet and learned of a condition called "leaky gut syndrome".

It has taken her years but her health is restored. Her liver has recovered, too.

My RA responded to Vit C, Vit E and Pantothentic acid.

Doctors only treat symptoms. They do not care about the cause and when a side effect pops up, they prescribe another drug in the hopes of counteracting the first drug.

36 posted on 12/14/2008 7:10:06 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma (When the righteous rule, the people rejoice; when the wicked rule the people mourn. Proverbs 29;2)
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To: editor-surveyor; Mom MD

At least with the pharmaceutical brands you know what you are getting.ie. with one gram of Premarin Cream it is .625 grams of conjugated estrogens. They have been studied for sixty plus years—how much estrogen is in a given compounded cream? Where did the estrogen come from-a plant? then it had to be synthesized. Urine from a mare is as natural as a plant. No synthesizing. Studied more than any other drug.

When you smear the cream on your vulva how much do you use? How much is absorbed? It may not have a “first pass” on the liver but it will pass eventually thru the liver. If it is a lotion is it a suspension of equal distribution top to bottom? Meaning is the first pump the same strength as the last thirty days later? So many questions and no answers. Would you take a bio-identical oral contraceptive? Not me.


37 posted on 12/16/2008 8:33:20 PM PST by kmiller1k (remain calm)
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To: kmiller1k

me either. I take the pharmaceutical brand and feel great.


38 posted on 12/16/2008 10:16:53 PM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: goodnesswins

Thats Dr Sweetie to you. Congrats on your miraculous recovery.


39 posted on 12/16/2008 10:18:53 PM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: xero

try something else. I have plenty a clue. Where did you get your medical degree from?


40 posted on 12/16/2008 10:20:28 PM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: Mom MD

If I have to refer to you HERE on FR as “Doctor”....then YOU can refer to me as “MBA, SPHR”....deal? My “miraculous recovery” took much research OUTSIDE of the normal medical system....and outside of the traditional pharmacia...people are DIFFERENT. And, they are ESPECIALLY different than pregnant horses.


41 posted on 12/17/2008 9:58:06 AM PST by goodnesswins ("Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" said Hillary Clinton. I'll be REALLY patriotic!)
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To: goodnesswins

Do you know from where your natural hormones were derived? Plants, chemicals?? Pregnant mare urine is as natural an ingredient as one can find.

BTW I didn’t read any comments from Mom MD that asked you to refer to her as Doctor.

I feel bad for the patients taking drugs that are “made” by store front shops under no scrutiny by FDA. I hope the physicians have copious informed consent forms in their files for the lawsuit waiting to happen when one of the patients gets a cancer and wants to blame the drug maker/prescriber.


42 posted on 12/17/2008 12:35:28 PM PST by kmiller1k (remain calm)
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To: kmiller1k

Oh, pullleeaasseee....my hormones are made in a very reputable pharmacy.....I’d trust them more than many of the myriad of drugs that kill people every year. My doc is one of the leading docs in this area...I trust him - he’s also a Naturapath. The FDA isn’t an organization I trust a whole lot - the pharmaceutical companies have a lot of money to throw at them....and they are trying to shut down the bio-id hormone business. Follow the money. I could be on the FDA approved arthritis drugs for $10,000 a year, that insurance would likely pay some for....and then be on other FDA drugs to counteract the effects of the RA drugs....yeah...right.

By the way, what kind of HORMONES does “pregnant mare urine” as “natural” as it is....have in it?....and how does a human react to them? Well...gee....looks like the FDA screwed up in their research for a bunch of women on that didn’t they.....


43 posted on 12/17/2008 12:44:14 PM PST by goodnesswins ("Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" said Hillary Clinton. I'll be REALLY patriotic!)
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To: goodnesswins

And, furthermore for anyone reading here....there is a DIFFERENCE between estriol, estrone, and estradiol....that is likely what causes the problems in premarin....too much of one of them (but, I can’t remember which one right now - do your own research.)


44 posted on 12/17/2008 3:44:13 PM PST by goodnesswins ("Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" said Hillary Clinton. I'll be REALLY patriotic!)
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To: kmiller1k
From MomMD....."Thats Dr Sweetie to you."

Post 39.

45 posted on 12/17/2008 3:46:03 PM PST by goodnesswins ("Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" said Hillary Clinton. I'll be REALLY patriotic!)
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To: Mom MD

You don’t have a clue.


46 posted on 12/17/2008 4:59:13 PM PST by xero
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To: goodnesswins

Sorry I didn’t see the comment in #39...but your “pharmacy” is making your hormones behind the counter??? Where do they purchase estradiol? From China or India? Do they mix up a vat in the back room? You should know what you are putting in your body and for that matter know that ALL estrogens have the Black Box warning. ALL. Even bio-identical.

Estrone is the estrogen that is circulating in a post-menopausal female—that is what is in Premarin. And furthermore the WHI reported that women taking Premarin were less likely to have breast cancer.

Yah, those nasty pharmaceutical companies that make drugs so that those with asthma, diabetes, CVD, high BP,cancer etc can live a normal life are sooo evil and want to recoup their R & D costs so they can study another disease state and possibly cure cancer or diabetes or asthma etc.

Not saying that you shouldn’t take bio-identicals but you should know what the the ingredients are, where they were purchased and the amount of estrogen (or other hormones) per application.

There is a lot of money being made off of bio’s right now and none of it is covered by insurance nor the testing.


47 posted on 12/17/2008 5:36:26 PM PST by kmiller1k (remain calm)
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To: kmiller1k

I am more worried about the Levothyroxine I take and where ITS ingredients come from than what Key Pharmacy compounds for me. Do you know ANYTHING about the ratio’s of hormones and what they SHOULD be in a woman’s body....and NO I don’t necessarily WANT the body of a post menopausal woman....I want a HEALTHY woman’s body/hormones so I can MOVE.

And, I have NO problem with big pharma creating drugs that help people, as long as they are HONEST with the facts...where THEIR ingredients come from, and HOW MANY people they REALLY tested it on, and HOW MUCH they paid the FDA or any other influential organization to manufacture them. I have a PROBLEM with pharma trying to run bio-id’s out of business on the premise they are NOT good for me. I don’t just go down to the local drug store and buy what is conjured up....

ALSO, do you KNOW anything about the fact that women should have ALL their hormones tested for BALANCE.....including estrone, estrodial, and estrogen, AND, DHEA, testosterone, progesterone, pregnenelone? That there are ratio’s they should pay attention too?

As I said, I am dealing with the PREMIERE doctor in my bio-ID formulations.....there may be those out there who are listening to and seeing quacks and taking quack meds, but that is NOTHING new...it happens in BIG Pharma too.

And, do you drink soda pop? Or eat potato chips? They are bad for you, ya know....they cause cancer.

You might want to do a little more research.


48 posted on 12/17/2008 6:37:14 PM PST by goodnesswins ("Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" said Hillary Clinton. I'll be REALLY patriotic!)
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