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Gun (and ammo) prices going up [Guess why?]
WINK TV News ^ | December 13, 2008 | Staff

Posted on 12/13/2008 11:29:09 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

LEE COUNTY, Fla.- The Suncoast Gun Show in North Fort Myers is attracting huge crowds this weekend.

"It's definitely one of the most crowded ones I've been in," said Robert Supon.

Ray Nadaeu says there's a reason for the crowds...President-elect Barack Obama.

"I think they're scared. I think they are scared their gun rights are going to be taken away from them and they should be," said Nadaeu.

"We have to buy these before the new regime possibly gets in," said Greg Thorn, a Civil War gun collector. He stopped by the show to pick up ammunition.

But, the President-elect said earlier this year he would not ban guns if he took office.

In a statement after the Supreme Court ruled against Washington D.C.'s gun ban he said, "As President, I will uphold the constitutional rights of law-abiding gun-owners, hunters, and sportsmen. I know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne. We can work together to enact common-sense laws, like closing the gun show loophole and improving our background check system, so that guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists or criminals."

Since election day, gun shop owners say gun sales have gone through the roof.

James Black, manager of Tactical Weapons in Fort Myers tells WINK News in their five years in business, they've never seen sales like they have in the last month.

"People are afraid, people are afraid this new incoming president is going to ban everything," said Black.

The rush to buy a gun is impacting the cost of a gun.

"I would say a good 25 percent," explained Black, "It's all supply and demand. Right now, I don't have enough rifles in stock in order to sell them."

Anyone looking for ammunition is also taking a hit. Black says the cost is up 50 percent.

Even gun enthusiasts admit, they don't know for sure what will happen in five weeks, but they're buying what they can now, just in case.

Black said, "Once you can't get em you're going to have to use a stick to protect yourself."


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Probably better head down to Wal-Mart for more 9mm.
1 posted on 12/13/2008 11:29:10 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

does wal mart still sell 9 mm? I thought they were getting out of that business.


2 posted on 12/13/2008 11:34:52 PM PST by RC one
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To: RC one

They did a month ago.


3 posted on 12/13/2008 11:41:28 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But, the President-elect said earlier this year he would not ban guns if he took office.

What else could he say and still be elected? Notice the "if he took office" -- is that actually a quote?

4 posted on 12/13/2008 11:41:30 PM PST by Misterioso ( Socialism is an ideology. Capitalism is a natural phenomenon.)
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To: RC one

Got out here 3 or 4 years ago. Only stock 12 and 20 gauge now.


5 posted on 12/13/2008 11:44:40 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureĀ™)
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To: RC one

Maybe Walmart should run a new ad: “We aren’t selling 9mm handguns anymore, because frankly, we don’t think they have enough stopping power”.


6 posted on 12/13/2008 11:45:00 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m getting a new mini-14 for Christmas, I can’t wait!


7 posted on 12/13/2008 11:49:00 PM PST by eyedigress (All I want for Christmas is a nice blue barrel rifle.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I was in walmart today and they had 2 Remington 700
with scopes for $337.00 each, 7 MM or .300 Win Magnum.

I checked the prices on Auction Arms and used prices
were higher.

8 posted on 12/13/2008 11:49:10 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Obama, Change America will die for.)
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To: RC one
They closed some WalMart gun and Ammo sales in some states.

Our Huntsville store is going strong on both.

9 posted on 12/13/2008 11:51:07 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Obama, Change America will die for.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

It was mostly Micheal Moore’s doing as I recall. I hate that guy.


10 posted on 12/14/2008 12:01:55 AM PST by RC one
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To: RC one; 2ndDivisionVet
I thought they were getting out of that business.

The store nearest me in Southwestern Missouri does not stock handguns, they do stock a very limited section of shotguns, center fire and rim fire rifles.

Shotgun shells are displayed on the shelves, some rifle ammo under glass, but hand gun ammo is hidden. You have to ask.

Last week they had Winchester 40 S&W $28.75 per hundred.

In Springfield, Missouri gun show this weekend, no reports yet but I will go way out on a limb and say BUSY!

11 posted on 12/14/2008 12:04:25 AM PST by TYVets
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“We can work together to enact common-sense laws, like closing the gun show loophole and improving our background check system, so that guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists or criminals.”

That is one of the dumbest statements I have ever heard anyone make.


12 posted on 12/14/2008 12:12:44 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: TYVets

I bought more guns last year than I should have in anticipation of this. Plus I’m sitting on many thousands of ss109s, many pounds of powder, countless thousands of primers, and more brass than I can count not to mention I stockpiled equal amounts of 7.62 ball. I could probably use a few more high cap mags and another beta c mag. I was waiting for beta co. to come out with a magazine for the AR10. If I was looking to buy more guns and ammo, I’d get the new bushmaster 50 cal pluc ammo. I’d probably get another 500 magnum (I might anyways). primers, powder, and projectiles remain a sound investment IMO. Bushmaster makes a sweet AR15 pistol. I’d probably get a couple more of those. Glocks are always good. scherer makes some sweet high cap magazines for pistols that are worth buying even if there isn’t a panic. I think they’ll really go after ammo though so ammo and reloading eqipment could be a dang good investment


13 posted on 12/14/2008 12:14:47 AM PST by RC one
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To: RC one

My local Walmart is supposedly the first in the nation to stop selling firearms more powerful than airsoft stuff.

They do stock shotgun target/field ammo on the shelves, but you have to request assistance to see the handgun and self-defense shot shells, which are kept locked below counter height. I’m sure that’s partly to dissuade shoplifting, but even more to avoid offending liberal sissies whose concept of the world doesn’t allow for *gasp* firearms *vapors* use by peaceable, law-abiding citizens.

After a panicked shopping spree of my own, I can attest to the wisdom of buying whatever I can of Walmart’s stock. Specialty sports stores are gouging like crazy. Walmart’s succombed to that, but not as much.


14 posted on 12/14/2008 12:50:59 AM PST by Titan Magroyne ("Drill now drill hard drill often and give old Gaia a cigarette afterwards she deserves it." HerrBlu)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

People should teach themselves on how to make a firearm, almost everyone I meet think its inconceivable to make a firearm.
200 years ago it was difficult but it was done with primitive tools, nowadays its possible to build something that can exceed what most people need, like multiple barrels or even do it yourself caseles ammo, powders can be made for simple black powder and with some equipment even some smokeless.

Most people have made potato guns so the principle is there, we have seen shows like Mythbusters and an air powered cannon that would probably knock a car off the road.

And there is other alternatives especially those with electronics skills to build sound devices or microwave guns that can be used for home defense.

A shotgun is the easiest to make and the easiest to reload with basic powders even as simple as matchsticks.

Buying guns now or rather before the prices went up is like buying a rock solid investment plan, unless the gun is pure junk its value will increase if and when there becomes a scarcity, however much if times get tough don’t sell it, you may have to shoot your food when your children go hungry because the government ran out of money.


15 posted on 12/14/2008 1:08:24 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Americans should lead America, its the right way.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
In Arizona Walmart sells various types of ammunition from a locked case, but they don't sell guns. I've been checking different shops around town - recently I was at a Bass Pro Shop and they were completely cleaned out of most hollow-point personal defense ammo. Seriously, shelves were stripped bare. They had plenty of target ammo available by the case, but the good stuff was GONE.

I dug around and finally came up with one box of Cor-bon 9mm +p that was hiding at the back of the shelf, but that was all I could find.

Things are getting kinda spooky.

16 posted on 12/14/2008 1:13:33 AM PST by ponygirl
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To: RC one

Oh yeah, they still carry 9mm Luger where I am.
$10.97 a box.


17 posted on 12/14/2008 1:14:25 AM PST by gigster
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A week ago I bought every 223 round that our Wal-Mart had in stock. I guess I need to do that again tomorrow.


18 posted on 12/14/2008 1:18:20 AM PST by Gator113 ("Noli nothis permittere te terere.")
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To: Eye of Unk
Dicks Sporting goods here in Virginia has increased their prices of .223 to
over $12.00 for a box of Twenty. I still get the same ammo for less than $8.00 a box
at a local gun shop, "Federal FMJ".

Prices are creeping up though, stock up now.

19 posted on 12/14/2008 1:21:10 AM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: ponygirl
Wal Mart shipped the weapons to friendlier states,
that is why they are so cheap here in Huntsville.

I really thought Arizona was great on weapons.
Maybe it was just the wal mart management there.

I picked up a Winchester 1300 new for $187.73 walk out price about 1 year ago.

20 posted on 12/14/2008 1:22:14 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Obama, Change America will die for.)
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To: Gator113
Salute Gator,
Did you check your local gun ranges? Give them all a call because you may
get a better price and quantity. Ranges seem to have all the Ammo stock ATM.

/Salute

21 posted on 12/14/2008 1:24:37 AM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Arizona really is very good on gun-ownership. We still have open-carry laws (for now). I’m not sure why the Wal-mart isn’t selling handguns. I asked the clerk, but he didn’t seem to know much. It could have something to do with the neighborhood, which isn’t exactly stellar.


22 posted on 12/14/2008 1:29:03 AM PST by ponygirl
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To: MaxMax

A box of .223 here in Wasilla Alaska at the Sportsmen Warehouse is about $14 and a box of .308 $16, frankly thats pretty good though I used to get the .223 for half as much 6 years ago.

Whats gone off the shelves and appears to be in extreme short supply is most powders, primers and popular components like .308 brass, being Alaska though we do have plenty of the large caliber rounds like the .300, .338, .375.

It took me two weeks just to get some new empty brass for my .308 needs.


23 posted on 12/14/2008 1:29:06 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Americans should lead America, its the right way.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No guns here at W-Mart.
However,lots of ammo.
Last shopping trip,30-30 Core-Lokt,$12.97.
9mm Luger, $10.97.
.32 Auto,$18.47.
.22 Golden Bullet,$5.47.
(Don’t need any more guns.)
(I think....)


24 posted on 12/14/2008 1:29:32 AM PST by gigster
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To: MaxMax

Thanks, but not in my area. We have a Wal-Mart and a couple gun shops.

I have my own personal range though. ;>)


25 posted on 12/14/2008 1:36:52 AM PST by Gator113 ("Noli nothis permittere te terere.")
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To: Eye of Unk
powders, primers and popular components like .308 brass

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26 posted on 12/14/2008 1:55:22 AM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: Eye of Unk
People should teach themselves on how to make a firearm, almost everyone I meet think its inconceivable to make a firearm.

Did that when I was 13. That was in 1953. Barrel was a 1952 Buick radio antenna. Little beauty, fired .22 long-rifle rounds.

27 posted on 12/14/2008 1:58:38 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: MaxMax

My wife just a few minutes ago told me no moose this winter, too much work butchering it and she says my teeth can;t handle it.

I wish I had moose, real lean, makes great jerky, I have to actually add fat to it for sausage making, also an excellant stew or chili meat.

Last one I shot I was actually standing in my house and opened a window and dropped it with my .338 in the back yard, no neighbors for miles that direction with a hill so it was a safe shot, it was near zero and took me almost 6 hours to butcher it, meat lasted almost two years.


28 posted on 12/14/2008 2:01:13 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Americans should lead America, its the right way.)
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To: Beckwith

Thats the beauty of living in America, we are resourceful enough that we can just build it ourselves or rather what it would take to get a better tool...


29 posted on 12/14/2008 2:05:58 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Americans should lead America, its the right way.)
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To: Eye of Unk
I would love to have moose meat. Here in Virginia Beach I get fresh Rock fish
for the asking. Wana trade? Really though, Rock fish is the best fish
I've ever had from my travels across the USA.
One day I'll have a nice Moose steak when I visit Alaska.

God Bless you,
MaxMax

30 posted on 12/14/2008 2:12:36 AM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: MaxMax

Things to look for in Alaska, a LOT of good smoked salmon, moose stew and halibut steaks.

I cannot legally ship moosemeat out, wish I could, way too many moose around here, om average over 300 alone are roadkill here near Wasilla.

Some people have talked about driving a beater pickup with a plow on it and deliberately running into moose crossing the road, I don’t think they actually did it but there is a program that donates the struck moose to charity around the valley here, usually moose accidents happen in the winter when its colder than a deepfreez so the meat is pretty safe.


31 posted on 12/14/2008 2:20:30 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Americans should lead America, its the right way.)
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To: RC one

I was at a gun show in nc and they were out of .357 bullets. it took and hour to get in. i got a nice piece though.


32 posted on 12/14/2008 3:06:58 AM PST by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: Eye of Unk
Being a country boy from the mountains of Washington State, there's nothing wrong
with winter road kill in my book.

/Salute

33 posted on 12/14/2008 3:20:59 AM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: MaxMax
Being a country boy from the mountains of Washington State, there's nothing wrong with winter road kill in my book.

As long as it is fresh and hasn't been run over too many times, I agree.

34 posted on 12/14/2008 4:41:01 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: MaxMax
there's nothing wrong with winter road kill in my book.

I got a buck off the road one "winter" morning (about 75F) here in Texas. The car in front of me hit him. Because he was still trying to get back on his feet, and the fact that it's illegal nobody wanted to get too close. I ran over grabbed him by the horns and wrestled him up in the truck. A lady who had stopped was standing there with this look of horror on her face watching what I had done. As I drove off I told her I was taking him to the vet.

35 posted on 12/14/2008 5:05:01 AM PST by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Short supply:: LOL, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Browse.asp?Cat=979


36 posted on 12/14/2008 5:26:53 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Last gun show I went to (November) I wanted to pick up some 30.06 and some 00 12 gauge shot gun shells. Couldn't do either. People were buying ammunition by the case! Dealers were down to odd sizes and the standard stuff, 9mm, 45acp, etc were no where to be found.

Sounds like this is not the only show where this is happening.

37 posted on 12/14/2008 5:28:10 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Beckwith
Man, over the hill, LOL, Oh, they were called zip guns!!! Did you ever make a spit wad shooter out of a bicycle spoke, using matches!!!!
38 posted on 12/14/2008 5:29:37 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: Beckwith
"1952 Buick radio antenna"

You made a Zip gun?

You must have an interesting history.

39 posted on 12/14/2008 5:31:15 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I buy .223 and .357 at Wal-Mart because they still have the powest prices for ammo of any pplace in my area. But, I can tell you, the local one has very slim pickings.


40 posted on 12/14/2008 5:53:19 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

“I was in walmart today and they had 2 Remington 700
with scopes for $337.00 each, 7 MM or .300 Win Magnum.”

Those are very good prices. Where is that Wal-Mart?


41 posted on 12/14/2008 5:55:11 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

“I picked up a Winchester 1300 new for $187.73 walk out price about 1 year ago.”

That’s because Winchester stopped manufacturing firearms. They are cheap because there is no after market source for any repairs or improvements, unless you want to pay through the nose.


42 posted on 12/14/2008 6:00:38 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

Please!!!http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/model70mediaevent/index.asp


43 posted on 12/14/2008 6:27:08 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: ought-six
On the I 45 feeder road in Huntsville, Texas.
I will check on type of scope this afternoon.
44 posted on 12/14/2008 6:34:51 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Obama, Change America will die for.)
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To: ponygirl

In Tucson the Wal-Mart on La Cholla and Magee sold long guns and ammo the last time I was there about 3 weeks ago. The new one in Oro Valley doesn’t sell any guns but has a pretty good assortmant of ammo.

According to the manager the Oro Valley government refused to allow gun sales. Dick’s Sporting goods a few hundred feet away in the same shopping center does sell guns.

Dick’s has a stupid corporate policy. My 8 year old daughter fell in love with a .22 rifle in pink cammo. When I finished filling out the federal paperwork they handed me a Dick’s form demanding my home address and the names and ages of any and all minor children living at home. I handed the rifle back and told them the only way I’d ever buy anything from them would be at their going out of business sale.

I had one of the local gun shops in Tucson order the rifle direct from Remington and my daughter will open it on Christmas morning.

I’m also telling everyone I know and meet about their stupid corporate policy.


45 posted on 12/14/2008 6:44:38 AM PST by AZ .44 MAG (A society that doesn't protect its children doesn't deserve to survive.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I know people who are buying AR-15’s and 1911 pistols for the first time. They figure that they will later be able to get parts and ammo on the black market.


46 posted on 12/14/2008 6:50:26 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: eyedigress

See if you can get a AR15 type rifle. I have a Mini 14 and it is hard and expensive to find good after market high capitcy mags for it.
I love it, but you cant get goodies for it.


47 posted on 12/14/2008 6:54:28 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Freedom- 07-04-1776-11-06-2008. RIP)
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To: Wilhelm Tell

I’ve been looking for an AR in Tucson for three weeks. Can’t find one anywhere.

I have in the last three weeks bought two 9MM semiautos with 17 round mags, two .22 rifles, one 12 gauge shotgun, 2 SKSs and as much ammo as I can afford for them and my 7MM magnum, 10 gauge semi, .44 MAG, .357 MAGs. and .22 pistols.

My wife and 8 year old daughter are both excellent shots. My wife even likes shooting my 10 gauge.


48 posted on 12/14/2008 6:59:25 AM PST by AZ .44 MAG (A society that doesn't protect its children doesn't deserve to survive.)
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas

LOL!!!


49 posted on 12/14/2008 6:59:27 AM PST by EEDUDE
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Prices ramped up steeply a few years ago, reportedly due to factors such as higher prices for metals (brass, lead) because of new demand from places going through building booms (such as China) and increased demand for ammo due to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then they took another big hike due to the impact on transportation charges from the high cost of oil.

Things have changed greatly in the last few months - commodity prices for ammo-related items such as metals and oil have taken a nosedive down to levels not seen in years. And, the demand for ammo production for Iraq has probably eased. Yet now it looks like the looming "Obama crisis" has spurred a demand for ammo that will keep prices high despite the easing of the factors that originally caused the price spikes.

I'm not going to hold my breath and hope that prices come down anytime soon - rather I'm going to get a case of .38 special +P ammo for my recently-acquired J-frame S&W, and perhaps another case of .45 ACP, and I may even pre-buy ammo in some calibers for which I don't yet have any firearms (.223, .308, and maybe also 30-06). Not to mention reloading supplies (and I don't yet have any reloading equipment, although that's been on my wish list for a long time). And, that doesn't even include any consideration for stocking up on future "trading material". What was that Boy Scout motto again?

50 posted on 12/14/2008 7:04:43 AM PST by Zeppo
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