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It's Time to Junk the Electoral College [Soros alert] [massive barf]
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 2008-12-15 | Jonathan Soros

Posted on 12/14/2008 6:55:56 PM PST by rabscuttle385

In his election-night victory speech, Barack Obama said he would be a president for all Americans, not just those who voted for him. But as a candidate he didn't campaign with equal vigor for every vote. Instead, he and John McCain devoted more than 98% of their television ad spending and campaign events to just 15 states which together make up about a third of the U.S. population. Today, as the Electoral College votes are cast and counted state-by-state, we will be reminded why. It is the peculiar mechanics of that institution, designed for a different age, that leave us divided into red states, blue states and swing states. That needs to change.

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KEYWORDS: constitution; deranged; electoralcollege; globalism; jonathansoros; mobrule; nwo; soros; tryanny
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The Constitution is no longer in line with our expectations regarding the role of the people in selecting the president. Yet several previous attempts to eliminate the Electoral College through a constitutional amendment have failed, scuttled by the difficulty of the process itself and the tyranny of small-state logic.

The demise of the U.S. Constitution is the leftist-globalist wet dream.

1 posted on 12/14/2008 6:55:57 PM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385
Hmmm.... wonder if Soros is a bit worried about all of these citizenship lawsuits?????
2 posted on 12/14/2008 7:04:30 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Better grab a rag. They are getting close!


3 posted on 12/14/2008 7:05:11 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: rabscuttle385

He thinks he will be president to ALL Americans? Rubbish.

That joker will NEVER be my President.


4 posted on 12/14/2008 7:05:44 PM PST by Concho (Bitterly Clinging to Guns and Religion)
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To: rabscuttle385

I’ve seen it argued that junking the electoral college might actually take the massive power of the big left wing cities away.......Imagine New York City, LA and Chicago, not being the entire voting block of their entire state.


5 posted on 12/14/2008 7:06:25 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: rabscuttle385

The libs hate it because they haven’t figured how to steal electoral votes yet.


6 posted on 12/14/2008 7:07:15 PM PST by Ikemeister
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To: ScreamingFist

If the Electoral College was abolished, the small States would become irrelevant in Presidential elections. Each ticket would solely focus on the States which it is sure to win. That would likely lead to secession movements in most, if not all, of those States. Fortunately, that is why any such proposed Constitutional amendment would never receive 38 ratifications (the number needed for adoption).


7 posted on 12/14/2008 7:12:08 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: rabscuttle385

My guess is they will try to keep “winner take all” in NY and CA and have proportional representation in the Red States.


8 posted on 12/14/2008 7:12:38 PM PST by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: rabscuttle385

What am I missing? I thought Obama won.


9 posted on 12/14/2008 7:13:00 PM PST by stevem
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To: stevem

Perhaps in light of recent events they’re worried he might not be re-elected?


10 posted on 12/14/2008 7:19:56 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (God helps those who help themselves. The government helps those who don't.)
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To: Repeal 16-17
If the Electoral College was abolished, the small States would become irrelevant in Presidential elections.

Do we not already see this? McCain was already the republican nomination when my state finally voted, and we never saw a presidential candidate here.

11 posted on 12/14/2008 7:20:57 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: Repeal 16-17
If the Electoral College was abolished, the small States would become irrelevant in Presidential elections. Each ticket would solely focus on the States which it is sure to win.

As far as I could tell during the 2008 campaign, the only states where McCain campaigned were Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Florida and Colorado and did not bother the campaign in small states such as Delaware, Wyoming, Vermont, Alaska, North Dakota and Utah.

Furthermore, while McCain only lost the popular vote by 6% but lost the Electoral College by more than 2:1.

Thus as it stands now, the Electoral College favors the Democrats and popular vote would favor Republicans.

12 posted on 12/14/2008 7:24:15 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Ikemeister

Hard to get dead electors to vote?


13 posted on 12/14/2008 7:25:17 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: rabscuttle385

The election and subsequent financial mayhem proves this man correct.

Our Constitution has been neutered.


14 posted on 12/14/2008 7:28:36 PM PST by Coachm
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To: trumandogz
Thus as it stands now, the Electoral College favors the Democrats and popular vote would favor Republicans.

McCain did not lose because of the Electoral College. He lost because he ran a horribly bad campaign and for being a RINO. In the 2000 and 2004 elections, the Electoral College was to the benefit of George W. Bush. One election does not prove that the Electoral College should be abolished.

15 posted on 12/14/2008 7:29:38 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: ScreamingFist

Regardless, it would mean the small states NEVER get their way as a rule, and they would be angry about it. The proportion of big-city Dem votes would possibly be much more than in electoral. It is electoral which makes them more likely to get something they want, rather than ALWAYS being at the mercy of big cities.

In my state of MD about 10 years ago, legislators from the Eastern Shore threatened to secede (and Western MDers would probably copy them) because it’s always the Baltimore-DCarea vote that wins the state, for every state-based election. This tiny proportion of the state rules the entire landscape, mostly because there is NO electoral-type system. Hence alot of disgruntlement and discontent amongst those who never get their way.


16 posted on 12/14/2008 7:30:08 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Haven’t you heard? The dismantling of our constitution is nothing but a nutjob conspiracy theory. Pay no attention to it.

[/sarc]


17 posted on 12/14/2008 7:30:17 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Concho

ditto!


18 posted on 12/14/2008 7:30:36 PM PST by Coachm
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To: Repeal 16-17

Small states are already irrelevant in the general election. Unfortunately, many of the large states are as well (California, New York, Illinois). Abolishing the electoral college would force candidates to campaign nationwide. It would allow other coalitions to form, and make the GOTV efforts easier for the minority party in various states.

Perhaps this time Soros is right (hey, a broken clock...)


19 posted on 12/14/2008 7:32:32 PM PST by MS from the OC ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." - Thomas Paine)
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To: trumandogz

I repeat the poster who replied to you: it was the Electoral system that allowed Bush to win, especially in 2000. Remember how the Dems all wanted it gone because of this 1 instance? (As they always do: react like brats to 1 event - and then screw themselves in the end; to wit, Special Prosecuter, etc.)


20 posted on 12/14/2008 7:32:42 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: April Lexington

Hmmm.... wonder if Soros is a bit worried about all of these citizenship lawsuits?????
***That’s my take.


21 posted on 12/14/2008 7:33:32 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: MS from the OC

Nonsense. The cities would rule, and we know how cities vote.


22 posted on 12/14/2008 7:33:59 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: MS from the OC
Perhaps this time Soros is right (hey, a broken clock...)

Soros right, Madison wrong. Sure.

Free Republic is unrecognizable.

23 posted on 12/14/2008 7:36:18 PM PST by Chunga (Vote Republican)
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To: Kevmo
Hmmm.... wonder if Soros is a bit worried about all of these citizenship lawsuits????? ***That’s my take.

Recall that in his 2004 Senate debates with Alan Keyes, Obama (debate no. 3, about 50 minutes in) said he wanted to abolish the Electoral College.

24 posted on 12/14/2008 7:37:59 PM PST by thecodont
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To: Repeal 16-17

Yes, McCain was a bad candidate but none of the Republicans that ran for the nomination in 2008 would have beat Obama.

However, without the EC a decent GOP Candidate could have campaigned in Texas, California and New York and may have been able to cut into the 9,000,000 vote margin that McCain lost to Obama.


25 posted on 12/14/2008 7:39:24 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Chunga

Soros nice try. Our forefounders put that in place to keep the likes of you out of our government. Nice try though. Small minds, small thoughts.


26 posted on 12/14/2008 7:42:57 PM PST by yorkie01
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To: April Lexington

“Hmmm.... wonder if Soros is a bit worried about all of these citizenship lawsuits?????”

I thought the same thing! Or maybe Soros is maybe worried about what all the Electors might do tomorrow! There may be many Electors who take their responsibilities as an Elector very seriously and want to do what they are sworn to do. That is to cast their votes for a constitutionally qualified candidate.


27 posted on 12/14/2008 7:43:00 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: Chunga
Soros right, Madison wrong. Sure.

I'm not sure what Soro's is babbling about, interstate "pacts" and such. But if red electoral votes (ie, outside the cities) count as electoral votes instead of the "one winner takes all", it could very well swing elections from the cities, IMHO.

I'm nor saying ditch the Constitution, I'm just asking if better alternatives are available FRiend.

28 posted on 12/14/2008 7:46:19 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: rabscuttle385
It's time to junk Soros.

P8riot

29 posted on 12/14/2008 7:48:08 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: thecodont

Doesn’t surprise me. This is the guy who said, “The constitution is fundamentally flawed.” And he’s proceeded to drive a truck through one of its flaws.


30 posted on 12/14/2008 7:48:18 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: ScreamingFist
Read and learn
31 posted on 12/14/2008 7:49:00 PM PST by Chunga (Vote Republican)
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To: trumandogz
However, without the EC a decent GOP Candidate could have campaigned in Texas, California and New York and may have been able to cut into the 9,000,000 vote margin that McCain lost to Obama.

First, that is pure speculation. Why would the absence of the Electoral College affect the Republican nomination process or any State's ballot access laws?

Second, to abolish the Electoral College is to destroy the States' role in all future Presidential elections. We don't allows win the Presidency with the Electoral College (that's not its purpose), but we will have almost no chance of so winning without it.

32 posted on 12/14/2008 7:50:32 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Kevmo
Doesn’t surprise me. This is the guy who said, “The constitution is fundamentally flawed.” And he’s proceeded to drive a truck through one of its flaws.

Well, in a way I suppose we can thank this weasel for showcasing where one of the really big holes is.

Time to get out the caulk / oakum / spackling compound.

33 posted on 12/14/2008 7:51:29 PM PST by thecodont
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To: trumandogz

Nope. More small states vote GOP and more large states vote Democrat. In normal years.

The GOP usually has a slight but potentially important built-in electoral college advantage. For example, it made the difference in Bush v. Gore.

With the Electoral College system, the states of Alaska, Wyoming, N and S Dakota and Montana, have a total of 15 votes, more than 2.7% of the total.

With a popular vote, these states would have 1.17% of the vote, considerably less than half of their present influence.

I think the question of whether an interstate compact, as proposed by Mr. Soros, is constitutional is quite open. In any case, such a compact could not be legal unless approved by Congress, and could presumably be invalidated by any future Congress by majority vote.


34 posted on 12/14/2008 7:52:41 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: Chunga

Yes I’ve read that before. Thanks anyway.


35 posted on 12/14/2008 7:53:04 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: thecodont

We pay the supreme court to do just that. It’s why they have lifetime appointment, so they don’t have to worry about the political effects of doing their job properly. I do not have confidence that they will do their job. Like Donofrio, I fear the constitutional republic is lost.


36 posted on 12/14/2008 7:56:21 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: ScreamingFist

I’ve thought for a while that to have the EC divided up by districts with the popular vote winner of the state getting the 2 for Senators would make it much more competitive. I know there are a couple states that do it this way.


37 posted on 12/14/2008 7:56:41 PM PST by Kadric
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To: rabscuttle385

The Electoral College is one of many, many safeguards against tyranny contained in the Constitution. Therefore, it is a target of the left.


38 posted on 12/14/2008 7:57:28 PM PST by redpoll
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To: redpoll
The Electoral College is one of many, many safeguards against tyranny contained in the Constitution. Therefore, it is a target of the left.

And a target of Soros.

Obama/Soetoro - the demagogue the Founding Fathers were waiting for.


39 posted on 12/14/2008 8:03:33 PM PST by magooey (Obama/Soetoro - the demagogue the Founding Fathers were waiting for)
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To: Repeal 16-17

Hate to be a Jeremiah,but, the Union will cease to exist by 2050.


40 posted on 12/14/2008 8:03:41 PM PST by pankot
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To: rabscuttle385

it’s time to junk the soroses.


41 posted on 12/14/2008 8:05:11 PM PST by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: ScreamingFist
Yes I’ve read that before. Thanks anyway.

I'm sure you have.

I'm also sure you'll thank me for pointing out that 99.99% of the time it's impossible to be a conservative and disagree with The Cato Institute simultaneously.

You may also thank me for pointing out that it's impossible to be in favor of removing any impediment to pure democracy formed by the framers of the Constitution and also be considered a conservative in any meaningful sense.

Finally, you are most welcome.

42 posted on 12/14/2008 8:05:51 PM PST by Chunga (Vote Republican)
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To: rabscuttle385

Is this bozo related to Georgie? If he is, I think it’s time to “junk” him! In fact, go ahead an “junk” him anyway. I don’t need morons screwing around with MY Constitution. He needs to stick with pondering his genitals and knock off this kind of BS. There is a reason for the Electoral college.


43 posted on 12/14/2008 8:10:22 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (For more information on America's "new direction" read The Road to Serfdom. by Friedrich A. Hayek.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer; rabscuttle385
Is this bozo related to Georgie?

Yes, Jonathan Tivadar Soros is the son of Annaliese Soros and billionaire financier George Soros. Added keyword ~ TAB

44 posted on 12/14/2008 8:18:24 PM PST by flattorney (See my comprehensive FR Profile "Straight Talk" Page)
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To: Chunga
You may also thank me for pointing out that it's impossible to be in favor of removing any impediment to pure democracy formed by the framers of the Constitution and also be considered a conservative in any meaningful sense..

Last I checked, we are a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy. But thanks again for you keen insight.

45 posted on 12/14/2008 8:18:56 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: Sherman Logan; Repeal 16-17

The Republican Party faces a demographic shift in the nation that will be very difficult to overcome. Primarily Texas, a state that by 2024 if not 2020 will not be a battleground state but instead a Democratic state.

And without Texas, the GOP has no chance to win a national election with the current EC system.


46 posted on 12/14/2008 8:19:41 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Repeal 16-17
Why would the absence of the Electoral College affect the Republican nomination process

I was only speaking of the general election.

47 posted on 12/14/2008 8:20:56 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz
[W]ithout Texas, the GOP has no chance to win a national election with the current EC system.

Without Texas, the GOP has no chance of winning in any Presidential election with or without the Electoral College.

48 posted on 12/14/2008 8:24:13 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: ScreamingFist
Last I checked, we are a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy. But thanks again for you keen insight.

Again: you're quite welcome. It's obvious that keen insights aren't lost on you.

49 posted on 12/14/2008 8:25:13 PM PST by Chunga (Vote Republican)
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To: stevem

The lefties have always wanted to abolish it. They figure anything that is decent, fair and good for the people of this country should be gone.

What it does is give the traitors the right to steal which they have been doing.

What should be changed is the method some of the judges are being elected.


50 posted on 12/14/2008 8:25:25 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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