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Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs Not Worth Cost and Trouble
RightSideNews ^ | 12/13/08 | National Center of Policy Analysis

Posted on 12/15/2008 12:06:52 PM PST by Sammy67

NCPA: Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs Not Worth Cost and Trouble Report Says Government Should Not Force CFLs on Consumers

DALLAS (Dec. 10, 2008) - Although touted by many as the smart energy choice, compact fluorescent light (CFL) bulbs are not suitable for many common uses and should not be required by the government, according to a new report by the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA).

The Environmental Protection Agency states that CFLs will reduce energy use and will last longer than standard bulbs. However, NCPA Senior Fellow and report co-author Sterling Burnett argues: "For many uses, compact fluorescent bulbs may be more costly and

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1 posted on 12/15/2008 12:06:52 PM PST by Sammy67
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To: Sammy67

My wife went crazy and put those things throughout the house. They’re supposed to last 5 years but in reality they’ve been going out after about a year. The cost benefit ratio is negative with that kind of failure rate but if Obama keeps his promise to push energy costs through the roof that may change.


2 posted on 12/15/2008 12:13:06 PM PST by saganite
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To: saganite

I’ve found they last no longer than the incandescents. I had one catch on fire one night ... it filled the house with caustic fumes. I had everyone go out in the back yard for about half an hour. It really burned the lungs. Darned thing just burst into flames while we were at the supper table.


3 posted on 12/15/2008 12:19:11 PM PST by gitmo (I am the latte-sipping, NYT-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, PC, arrogant liberal. -BO)
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To: Sammy67

My husband is an electrical contractor, and he has been trying to talk his customers out of using these bulbs.


4 posted on 12/15/2008 12:19:56 PM PST by ChocChipCookie (Homeschool like your kids' lives depend on it.)
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To: Sammy67

I like them but don’t want to force others to use them.


5 posted on 12/15/2008 12:20:18 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Sammy67

Have had two on my front porch lights for 3 years. Frequently left on over night. Winter and summer (covered area) first one burnt out last month, other one still going strong. I think they have a place. But of course not to be mandated.


6 posted on 12/15/2008 12:21:18 PM PST by Rippin
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To: Sammy67
I have had no troubles so far - and have seen a small shrinkage of my electric bill...
7 posted on 12/15/2008 12:21:27 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Sammy67

They can’t be used in closed fixtures.


8 posted on 12/15/2008 12:22:39 PM PST by Retired Chemist
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To: Sammy67
"New efficiency standards will require manufacturers, by 2012, to produce bulbs that use less energy per unit of light produced - a requirement that can only be fulfilled by CFLs"

LED light bulbs?

9 posted on 12/15/2008 12:22:57 PM PST by Need4Truth
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To: Sammy67
Go to the EPA web site, search for CFL and mercury, and read the steps required to safely clean up a broken bulb. It'll blow your mind! Basically, call HAZMAT.

Don't put CFLs in kids rooms or near any cloth item you don't mind throwing away.

10 posted on 12/15/2008 12:24:12 PM PST by uncommonsense
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To: gitmo
I’ve found they last no longer than the incandescents. I had one catch on fire one night ... it filled the house with caustic fumes. I had everyone go out in the back yard for about half an hour. It really burned the lungs. Darned thing just burst into flames while we were at the supper table.

Congratulations, sir, you now have the unique opportunity to become the lead plaintiff in a landmark class action effort. Please contact the Law Offices of Johnnie "two Americas" Edwards to sign the papers. /semi-sarcasm

11 posted on 12/15/2008 12:24:19 PM PST by NonValueAdded (once you get to really know people, there are always better reasons than [race] for despising them.)
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To: Sammy67

Of course people wouldn’t be required to use these, but I’m happy to have them in certain places. We’ve had a couple that burned out much too early, but others that are used a lot are going on their third year now. Before, I was changing those bulbs constantly.


12 posted on 12/15/2008 12:24:57 PM PST by gracesdad
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To: gitmo
it filled the house with caustic fumes.

Most likely mercury vapors, bad news.

13 posted on 12/15/2008 12:24:59 PM PST by Joiseydude (Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel,)
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To: 2banana
...and have seen a small shrinkage...

I stopped reading there. This fluorescent voodoo sounds too dangerous to have around the house.

14 posted on 12/15/2008 12:25:35 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: ChocChipCookie

“My husband is an electrical contractor, and he has been trying to talk his customers out of using these bulbs.”

Why?


15 posted on 12/15/2008 12:25:44 PM PST by gracesdad
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To: Sammy67

My African violet sure loves the CF bulb I installed over it. It went from unhealthy to growing vertically towards the bulb and blooming most of the time.


16 posted on 12/15/2008 12:26:14 PM PST by mysterio
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To: Sammy67

I haven’t used one of these in years. The color of the light is awful.


17 posted on 12/15/2008 12:26:35 PM PST by LiberConservative (That temperatures are actually falling now illustrates how fast the world is warming.)
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To: 2banana

I’m wondering where all the panic went over the old style long fluorescent tubes? Must be that they used non toxic mercury. LOL


18 posted on 12/15/2008 12:28:28 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Sammy67

I replaced all my bulbs with CFLs in hopes of saving money. A box of regular 40 watts vs. CFLs showed 40 wtts saved as much energy when you factor in all the unseen costs and last 1/3 less time than CFLs. My CFLs lasted about 1 yr.. Replacements from a different manufacturer showed the same range.

What was really fascinating is the amount of toxins and poisons found in 40 wtts vs. CFLs, you would think hands down the 40 wtts should be the conservationists dream. But they’re not. Makes me believe the environmental movement is not about truth or saving the planet; it’s about a cult of power and mass hysteria. Mass hysteria is going to destroy this country.


19 posted on 12/15/2008 12:28:38 PM PST by egannacht
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To: saganite

I have a lot of them in my house and my office. The only ones I’ve ever had burn out are ones I put in enclosed fixtures. Most of them aren’t made for that, or for recessed lighting. They don’t put off much heat but it doesn’t take much heat to fry the average compact fluorescent. Some handle it better than others. I have several that have worked out fine in enclosed fixtures and those I haven’t put in enclosed fixtures have lasted years.


20 posted on 12/15/2008 12:28:48 PM PST by SmallGovRepub
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To: Sammy67

If you watch your local supermarket circulars, many of which are online, incandescent bulbs frequently on sale, you can pick up 4, 100 watt bulbs for $1.


21 posted on 12/15/2008 12:28:54 PM PST by Joiseydude (Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel,)
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To: Sammy67

I hate them because when I turn the light on in my closet I have to go away and come back later in about 2 minutes after it has “warmed up” so I can see anything in my closet.

Waste of time. I say, “let there be light!” immediately.


22 posted on 12/15/2008 12:29:40 PM PST by olivia3boys
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To: LiberConservative
The color of the light is awful.

Not all of them are that way. I learned my lesson about buying the cheap ones.
23 posted on 12/15/2008 12:30:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Sammy67

The problem is mostly that the cheap Chinese manufacturers grabbed the market first and under cut every other companies pricing.

It’s all about Chinese crap.


24 posted on 12/15/2008 12:30:45 PM PST by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: saganite
I haven't had one burn out yet, but the 3-way CFL's are crap.

Proper disposal almost requires a HASMAT team, and it you break one, the house has to be "evacuated?" How do the greenies get away with endorsing this crap?!

25 posted on 12/15/2008 12:32:11 PM PST by fwdude ("...a 'centrist' ... has few principles - and those are negotiable." - Don Feder)
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To: Need4Truth

LEDs currently are very expensive, although the price will naturally come down because they are going nuts with production. Right now, we only use LEDs extensively in hospitals for lighting, because they can produce a very specific yellow light that doesn’t disrupt a sleeping patient. They also generate a lot of heat at the junction where they attach to the circuit board, which is a major point of failure.


26 posted on 12/15/2008 12:33:02 PM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: uncommonsense

Here’s the EPA CFL ceanup link - enjoy reading: http://www.epa.gov/mercury/spills/index.htm


27 posted on 12/15/2008 12:33:09 PM PST by uncommonsense
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To: George from New England

Your correct about the Chinese junk. We bought a package of four for use outdoors, and two failed after a week. What a scam.


28 posted on 12/15/2008 12:33:25 PM PST by Sammy67
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To: cripplecreek

I like the bulb myself and usually they last me couple of years or more. I have not had one break on me yet.


29 posted on 12/15/2008 12:34:45 PM PST by DonaldC
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To: LiberConservative

The newer ones have better color.


30 posted on 12/15/2008 12:37:09 PM PST by null and void (Hey 0bama? There will be a pop quiz every day for the next four years...miss a question, people die.)
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To: gracesdad

They have to be on for 15 minutes or more for them to actually become economical. You’re burning more energy when you turn them on and off because in those cases, they never reach their full capacity. He believes we will eventually go with LED light bulbs.


31 posted on 12/15/2008 12:39:13 PM PST by ChocChipCookie (Homeschool like your kids' lives depend on it.)
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To: ChocChipCookie

“They have to be on for 15 minutes or more for them to actually become economical.”

Most of our lights are on for longer than that once we turn them on.


32 posted on 12/15/2008 12:41:00 PM PST by gracesdad
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To: Sammy67

It’s 15 degrees here in west TX right now. Having my inside lights produce some heat along with light isn’t a problem to me.


33 posted on 12/15/2008 12:41:21 PM PST by Need4Truth
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To: mysterio

Ah, but have you noticed those little pods on it?


34 posted on 12/15/2008 12:42:03 PM PST by pepperdog (The world has gone crazy.)
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To: Retired Chemist

“They can’t be used in closed fixtures.”

Says who? And why?

I’ve been using a 100W-equivalent one in a closed fixture - no problems yet. I’ve got two in a closed fixture with along with a 60W incandescant - again, no problems. I’ve also got them outdoors, hanging downwards (supposedly a no-no) where they work fine (but take a little while to warm up) in temperatures well below freezing.


35 posted on 12/15/2008 12:42:54 PM PST by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: pepperdog

Pods?


36 posted on 12/15/2008 12:43:49 PM PST by mysterio
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To: Sammy67

These bulbs have mercury in them.

Why do the enviro-weenies want us to us bulbs, that upon disposal, will put mercury into the ground and ground water?

Good old incandescents are the only way to go, IMHO.


37 posted on 12/15/2008 12:48:08 PM PST by TheConservativeParty ("A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not why the ship was built." by The First Gal of AK)
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To: gracesdad; ChocChipCookie
“My husband is an electrical contractor, and he has been trying to talk his customers out of using these bulbs.”

I am always trying to talk people out of using those awful bulbs.

I was trying to find an article I read in the Ottawa citizen, by Kelly Egan, about the dangers associated with them. No luck so far. :-(

38 posted on 12/15/2008 12:49:25 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: mysterio

A CFL should be shielded.

Your African Violet loves the UV rays.


39 posted on 12/15/2008 12:52:23 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: cripplecreek

I have had great luck with them and enjoy the low wattage use of them.


40 posted on 12/15/2008 12:53:43 PM PST by omega4179 ( Those who can't write, write the news)
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To: Sammy67
I have had short life experiences with CFL. I have been dating them so I really know how long they last. About 1 year is it. The color spectrum of them is still crappy for use in living areas.

In a residential application lighting is really a very small amount of electricity use. Major users are your refrigerator, furnace (heating and cooling) fans, air conditioning, water heaters. New televisions like large screen plasmas and LCD draw 400 watts and up.

41 posted on 12/15/2008 12:54:05 PM PST by RDasher
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To: fanfan

Well, it’s covered by a lampshade. But the violet is right under the thing.


42 posted on 12/15/2008 12:54:05 PM PST by mysterio
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To: omega4179

I can’t keep an incandecent over my stove for more than two or 3 weeks but I’m going on 8 months with a CFL.


43 posted on 12/15/2008 12:57:47 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: -YYZ-

I’ve also got them outdoors, hanging downwards (supposedly a no-no) where they work fine (but take a little while to warm up) in temperatures well below freezing.”

I walked around, and between my fan/ceiling lights, the can lights in the kitchen, and the enclosed light fixture in my laundry room, all of those locations are either hanging down bulbs, or enclosed.
The outside light- which are security lights on movement also hang upside down, and the entrance lights to house and garage are also upside down. Basically the only place a buld doesn’t hang upside down is over the stove.
I have also been told they won’t work inside a refrigerator, nor inside your oven.
The mandatory part of this whole discussion is abhorant to me on the face of it.


44 posted on 12/15/2008 1:00:20 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: olivia3boys
Waste of time. I say, “let there be light!” immediately.

It's not only the warm up time.....if you don't leave them on for a certain amount of time, they use more energy then an incandescent bulb, and don't last as long.

45 posted on 12/15/2008 1:01:14 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: Sammy67

I just don’t like to be told I HAVE to use what someone else says I need to use,
when I don’t believe them to begin with.

I’m not dumb, and these things are simple sooo much more expensive...
so, they could have at least made them the same price!
But no....
just like computers and cars, houses and everything else.

“Give me more money please!”


46 posted on 12/15/2008 1:01:18 PM PST by LadyPilgrim ((Lifted up was He to die; It is finished was His cry; Hallelujah what a Savior!!!!!! ))
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To: Need4Truth
"It’s 15 degrees here in west TX right now..."

And it's 25 here in MI. (???) That ain't right!

47 posted on 12/15/2008 1:02:13 PM PST by LiberConservative (That temperatures are actually falling now illustrates how fast the world is warming.)
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To: cripplecreek

Same here,I like to leave stove hood lights on all evening so I put small cfls there. They are good for recessed hall lights and things like that but not reading lamps or bathroom vanities.


48 posted on 12/15/2008 1:02:20 PM PST by omega4179 ( Those who can't write, write the news)
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To: saganite

I got mine for peanuts. They save a ton of electricity.

But this whole argument is really moot. In my new house in Kentucky it will be rife with embedded LED lighting.

There will probably not be a fluorescent or incandescent on the property. I’ll be able to control not only intensity, but color temperature and color period. And at a fraction of the power useage of even fluorescents.

LED is to fluorescent what fluorescent is to incandescent.

Times ten.


49 posted on 12/15/2008 1:04:59 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in the 1930's.)
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To: mysterio
Well, it’s covered by a lampshade. But the violet is right under the thing.

That's why it's doing so well. :-)
I'm glad you have a shade on it to shield your eyes.

Maybe we could grow frankenfruit under those bulbs.

;-D

50 posted on 12/15/2008 1:09:16 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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