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Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs Not Worth Cost and Trouble
RightSideNews ^ | 12/13/08 | National Center of Policy Analysis

Posted on 12/15/2008 12:06:52 PM PST by Sammy67

NCPA: Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs Not Worth Cost and Trouble Report Says Government Should Not Force CFLs on Consumers

DALLAS (Dec. 10, 2008) - Although touted by many as the smart energy choice, compact fluorescent light (CFL) bulbs are not suitable for many common uses and should not be required by the government, according to a new report by the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA).

The Environmental Protection Agency states that CFLs will reduce energy use and will last longer than standard bulbs. However, NCPA Senior Fellow and report co-author Sterling Burnett argues: "For many uses, compact fluorescent bulbs may be more costly and

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To: gitmo

CFL bulbs have a circuit board in them. This is a power supply for the bulb. They can catch fire. I had one that the bulb itself just burned a little hole in it and all the gas and toxic poisons leaked all over my counter.

61 posted on 12/15/2008 1:31:38 PM PST by Revel
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To: saganite
They’re supposed to last 5 years but in reality they’ve been going out after about a year.

Buy the better ones. If you are constantly turning them on and off they won't last as long. I have several that are years old.

62 posted on 12/15/2008 1:31:51 PM PST by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: cripplecreek
I’m wondering where all the panic went over the old style long fluorescent tubes? Must be that they used non toxic mercury. LOL

Who still uses them at home? They use up a lot of electricity. As far as industrial use they must be packaged and sent to a recycling site. You buy a pre-paid box and stuff them in. I always tried to convince my boss to just shatter them and fill the box with the shards but he would never go for it.

63 posted on 12/15/2008 1:34:40 PM PST by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: Joiseydude

Yep, and that’s exactly what I intend to do. I figure to buy about $200 worth of 60 and 100 incandescents before they quit making them. I really don’t give a sh*t if the CFL’s are more energy efficient. It’s a matter of principle with me. I’ll be damned if the government is going to tell me what kind of freekin light bulbs I’m going to use.

I live alone and am gone most of the day and gone most weekends in the summertime. I get at least a year out of my incandescent bulbs so I figure a $200 investment will last me far longer than I will be alive.

64 posted on 12/15/2008 1:35:14 PM PST by technically right
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
If my kids make a mistake in the voting booth, I don't want them punished with a community organizer

Superb tag line.

65 posted on 12/15/2008 1:36:04 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: RDasher
In a residential application lighting is really a very small amount of electricity use. Major users are your refrigerator, furnace (heating and cooling) fans, air conditioning, water heaters.

Not necessarily true. I have three recessed lights in my hall. I used to use 45 watt floods. Now I use 13 watt fls.

The lights around the kitchen are all 13 watt fls. It's a comparison of 300 watts versus 52. The lights are on most of the time in the evening.

66 posted on 12/15/2008 1:38:00 PM PST by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: mombi

LED’s don’t burn out. The transformer or something else went bad.

67 posted on 12/15/2008 1:38:54 PM PST by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: Sammy67
I suspect they will end up being replaced by LEDs as the “high efficiency light of choice”, whether the government mandates them or LEDs or not.
68 posted on 12/15/2008 1:40:23 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: LiberConservative

When the wind blows in from the north, the only thing out here to stop it is some barbed wire fence. It’s up to 17 degrees now.

Anyway, the point I was trying to make is, I’m smart enough to figure out what kind of light bulb I should use. The (adjective deleted) government should stay out of this decision. This is yet another central planning failure in the making.

69 posted on 12/15/2008 1:43:54 PM PST by Need4Truth
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To: gitmo

That’s totally worth a lawsuit!

70 posted on 12/15/2008 1:46:14 PM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: fanfan

I found a better bulb without a filament.

71 posted on 12/15/2008 1:47:42 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Sammy67

Speaking of CFL/LED I the only one who is finding it VERY difficult to buy replacement incandescent bulbs for my Christmas lights?

I can’t seem to find them anywhere, except some clear ones at Ace hardware.

I don’t want to have to buy all new light sets for my tree. As it is, I know I can’t replace those good old 500-light strands they used to make. (I get a whopping big 10 foot tree every year — a 10-footer needs LOTS of lights and those long strands make it easier to decorate.) If I have to replace 4 sets of 500 with 40 sets of 50, I’ll be mad.


72 posted on 12/15/2008 1:48:42 PM PST by VermiciousKnid (Wake up and smell the incense!)
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To: gitmo
I had one catch on fire one night ... it filled the house with caustic fumes.

I had a LightsOfAmerica (actually Chinese crap) circular lamp catch on fire also. It was the ballast in the base which is always the point of ignition. I started a complaint with the FTC, who took the information but wanted me to send the charred remains at my expense which I did not do. Two other of these ring light fixtures quit working early (because of the ballast), but fortunately did not catch fire. These should never have been imported.

Regarding the regular compact fluorescents, in the shape of a bulb, I have had very little complaint. Three of the early ones I installed in late 1999 are still working, used every day, but a little dimmer. The only ones which failed early were indoor units I installed outdoors.

It would be interesting to see if the units failing early tend to be off brands or ones you'd purchase at a dollar store. The manufacturers of the decent units will stand behind their claims for longevity.

73 posted on 12/15/2008 1:49:16 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureĀ™)
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To: RobRoy
“But this whole argument is really moot. In my new house in Kentucky it will be rife with embedded LED lighting.”

“LED is to fluorescent what fluorescent is to incandescent.

Times ten.”

LED is great technology with a bright future. Today though they are just way too expensive and most of what you will find on the market isn't even as efficient as fluorescent lighting. Newer fluorescent tube lighting, like some four foot T8 tubes with a good electronic ballast will give you about 100 lumens of light for each watt used. A regular sized incandescent light will give you less than 15 lumens per watt, and the little tiny ones for flashlights and that sort of thing are way less efficient. Compact fluorescent bulbs put off around 60 to 70 lumens per watt, but LED technology is still all over the place. A company called CREE claims to have gotten 161 lumens per watt in their lab from an LED just recently, but those available on the market are often closer to 20 or 30 lumens per watt. Some of the newest high output LED's available on the market are getting close to 80 lumens per watt efficiency, but most of what you will find on the market aren't half that efficient. They're in the 20 to 40 lumen per watt range and the light quality is not very good. Not only that, but these cheezy lightbulb replacement LED things they make throw off some weird light patterns just because of the way they have to make them with a cylinder studded with LED's. And of course they cost a fortune. You can drop $90 on a single “bulb” easily if you get one of the best available.

LED's aren't ready for prime time for residential lighting yet. Ten or fifteen years from now they'll be pretty cheap and super efficient. Right now they're mainly good for specialty applications. They're great for flashlights, stoplights, brake lights, and so on. But it's going to be several years before we see most people using them as their primary source of lighting for their homes. Right now they're going through a transformation kind of like we saw with computers in the 1980’s, and in a few years we'll see them being used more and more in people's homes like we saw with computers in the 1990’s. Prices will drop and they'll just get better and better. Pretty soon we ought to see these crappy LED lightbulbs that now go for $50 going super cheap as better stuff comes on the market. I wouldn't buy any LED lights for general lighting now unless I could get them at super reduced clearance sale prices, and I knew the particular light I was buying will produce enough light and at decent enough quality for wherever it was I wanted to use it. I haven't really seen any super cheap prices yet though for “obsolete” LED lights, but I bet that's coming.

74 posted on 12/15/2008 1:49:21 PM PST by SmallGovRepub
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To: RobRoy


75 posted on 12/15/2008 1:49:56 PM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: Sammy67

I love CFLs. Granted they should not be mandated by the government and there are things for which they are not appropriate.

76 posted on 12/15/2008 1:52:02 PM PST by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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To: Sammy67
Well one of the persons pushing this nonsense was Wally World and their GREEN Tripe PC/PR kiss up stunts. As Wally goes so goes they market in what choice consumers have sad to say. As for incandescents it's simple really. They are efficient in the winter as the heat is not wasted.

Don't buy cheap incandescents they will cost you more in the long run. Just buy bulbs that are brass colored on the base. With GE is the corrosion resistant bases. A buck eighty eight for a box of four. They also have slightly larger filaments which means more bulb life. Fluorescent were mainly intended to be used for commercial lighting in bigger buildings where a buildings internal vibration is a factor. The typical incandescents won't take the abuse unless you buy as the ones designed for it.

Unless you own a large home lights are not the big power users anyway unless you are running say 300 watt quartz outside lights. The major power consumers in a typical house are furnace or A/C, Range/oven, Water Heater, Dryer, freezer, refrigerator, any space heaters, and microwave oven.

I have noticed one other thing especially in the Tennessee Valley. For decades the standard for voltages on a service 110/220 or 115/230. I caught my local utility jacking my voltage up to 128/256 and yes that does cost money both in consumption and in damaged devices. This is right on the edge of maximum and means it leaves little room for spikes and surges. I told my utility to lower mine as I was tired of buying a well pump and water heater elements and other items and blowing even slow blow bulbs like mad. They put me back to 115/230 and no trouble since.

77 posted on 12/15/2008 1:58:58 PM PST by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: Sammy67

I don’t think they should be government mandated. But I certainly find them cost effective.

First, you need to get good bulbs. A lot of the ones you see for sale give off a horrible color light that would make you sick. Personally, I like color of GE bulbs.

Second, you need to get the right price. I’m not sure why, but our local hardware store sells GE compact flourescent bulbs for $1 apiece, which is a real bargain.

I’ve been using them for many years. They’ve gotten better, smaller, and more efficient over the years. And they have cut my electric bill by a huge amount.

78 posted on 12/15/2008 2:04:18 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Our local dump will not take CFL bulbs of any type. What are we supposed to do with them when they go bad?

79 posted on 12/15/2008 2:05:51 PM PST by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: raybbr
“It's a comparison of 300 watts versus 52.”

That's not that much power though. Let's say you use lots of lights and save 500 watts for 12 hours a day by replacing incandescent lights with compact fluorescents, which would be hard to do just replacing lightbulbs in a normal home. If you could do that, you'd be saving six kilowatt hours of electricity a day, which would be less than sixty cents a day if your electricity is costing you under ten cents a kilowatt hour. We pay about nine cents a kilowatt hour where I live, so saving six kilowatt hours a day would save me fifty-four cents a day and about $16.20 in a month. That's pretty good, but if you are only cutting down on a couple of hundred watts for a few hours a day you aren't going to see much of a difference in your electric bill.

80 posted on 12/15/2008 2:07:56 PM PST by SmallGovRepub
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