Posted on 12/15/2008 4:28:56 PM PST by wagglebee
And for MC to invoke the holocaust of abortion, while repeating the propaganda of the Holocaust, is just too ironic.
Wagglebee doesn’t need me to speak for him, but since you pinged me, here goes:
He doesn’t “use” the deaths of unborn babies as an umbrella for a “larger agenda” of opposing assisted suicide/euthanasia. He is committed to protecting the right to life, and the moral foundations upon which this country stands.
Sounds as though you are the one with the agenda; not clear about what it is. But attacking a very valuable member of this forum is not the right way to go about promoting it.
Wagglebee has been opposing euthanasia for years. You’re not the first troll to show up here demanding that he stop, and you won’t be the last.
I will believe it for the rest of my life. Kevorkian is as evil as any object of any horror story ever told. Are the Swiss following suit?
Abortion, assisted suicide, euthenasia...are they not all part of the culture of death created by Satan?
ah, but many of those who “choose” this are clinically depressed....
and what does it say when a young man who is paralyzed asks to kill himself, and his parents high tail it to Switzerland?
Several of Kavorkians’ patients had depression and no terminal disease; one who claimed terminal cancer was schizophrenic and cancer free; another had “fibro myalgia” and was “helped” by her psychiatrist husband not to get pain relief, but to suicide...and he had been arrested at least once for spousal abuse.
The “rational” suicides are elderly who “don’t want to be a burden” so kill themselves. (often before they are terminally ill),,, But what kind of a message does this send to people?
And in the UK one “ethicist” gave a speech saying that the senile should be killed because their family are wasting time and energy caring for them, and it costs the National Health service a bunch of money....
> You cannot be both pro-life and pro-euthanasia.
Interesting. I’ve never given any serious thought about pro-or-anti-euthanasia, and certainly never thought of it in the same context as pro-life.
Why can’t you be pro-life and pro-euthanasia at the same time? What is the ethical and moral linkage?
Note that I’m not disagreeing with what you’ve said: I’m seeking to understand the issue.
(I prefer to describe myself as anti-abortion)
LadyDoc and Narses’ responses to you capture much of what I think about your post, but let me add this:
If you want to check out, put a plastic bag over your head and pup helium into it.
DO NOT screw up the medical system that takes care of me, my family and my friends.
DO NOT screw up the legal system that is supposed to protect my rights and those of my family, friends and descendants.
You want to punch out? Do it on your own. Leave the rest of us—ALL of us—out of it.
Seconded.
I'm going to assume you mean pro-assisted suicide, not pro-euthanasia, because I doubt you'd be asking why killing Grandma against her will is necessarily a bad thing.
You ask a good question.
First, it's up to God when we check in and out.
Second, the people who are cited when assisted suicide is sold to voters (terminally ill, in great and unrelievable discomfort, totally rational about the decision) are as rare as a dragon's tooth in the real world. Many of those who choose assisted suicide are clinically depressed (there goes rationality), non-terminal or many months or years from death and could have their pain relieved by good palliative care specialists. And it's not just that these people are a bit off the mark; as soon as the procedure becomes legal, folks start requesting suicide for stuff like (in one Dutch case I recall) being sad over the death of an adult child. Even doctors abuse it; the Dutch set tight standards on who could be assisted in suicide and doctors just ignored them.
Third, it is inevitable that in nations with nationalized health care, a right to die will evolve into a duty to die. Then we really will see euthanasia.
Please don't confuse a stale old joke with a statement of fact. Being pro-euthanasia doesn't really mean you like Chinese kids. It means you favor the destruction of life.
With this new information, can you make an attempt to answer the question for yourself?
What I am "lumping" together is the protection of innocent life.
My belief(which is just as valid as yours) about Pro-life is about ensuring all God's children have a right to be born and pursue whatever his plan is for them.
Then perhaps you might explain why EVERY major pro-life group (National Right to Life, Priests for Life, American Life League, etc.) considers the fight against euthanasia vital to the pro-life movement? Answer that question.
You don't know what my opinion on suicide is, but rest assured my opinion is that it is in no way the equivalent of abortion.
If you think I give a damn about your opinion you are very much mistaken.
First of all, I have NEVER done that. ALL pro-life groups consider the fight against euthanasia to be vital.
Obviously YOU are uncomfortable with being shown how out of step you are with the pro-life movement, but you are.
And for the record, the number of deaths from abortion in the United States since Roe v. Wade is 50 million, not 30 (worldwide in the past century it is one billion).
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Amen, FRiend.
Thanks for all you do.
Thanks and thank you for all of your support.
Euthanasia is murder. Abortion is murder. A life is snuffed out. Ignorant fools.
You have a strange definition of innocence. Maybe you better re-think things. Lots of assisted suicides are actually forced exits (also known as murder).
For anyone to attack you for your interest in protecting all life, I would question why they are posting at FR to begin with.
The opposite of pro-life is pro-death. For someone to try to diminish what you do here is dishonest and preposterous.
People who are killed for their organs or in a bank holdup are not taken out by free will. They are murdered. Killers are pro-death.
LISTEN LIVE ON SATURDAYS at 3:00 pm est. Apparently, Terri's Foundation has saved HUNDREDS of lives. Thank you, Terri's Foundation.
(euthanasia is also known as late term abortion).
I'm surprised there are no posts from that one that they hate Terri Schiavo.
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