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Pat Buchanan: The Toyota Republicans
Human Events ^ | December 16, 2008 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 12/16/2008 9:41:55 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But why this "Let-them-eat-cake!" coldness toward U.S. auto companies? General Motors employs more workers than all these foreign plants combined. And, unlike Mitsubishi, General Motors didn't bomb Pearl Harbor.

LOL!

No sheeet!

41 posted on 12/16/2008 10:04:29 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: JamesP81
Until the UAW is broken, the big three will constantly operate on the very edge of disaster

The UAW will outlast the big three by at least a generation, maybe longer. It will become our second Social Security Administration and will be protected in Al Gore's Iron-Clad Lock Box. Their time as auto workers will soon be over, but then they can move on to being served by the tax payer.

42 posted on 12/16/2008 10:05:48 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You miss the point, Pat.

Throwing money at the Big Three is about as useful as throwing money at a heroin addict. Unless the underlying behaviors that caused the mess in the first place are dealt with, all the government bailout money in the world isn’t going to solve the problems that plague them.


43 posted on 12/16/2008 10:06:10 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (I'll give Obama the same amount of respect the left gave Bush)
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To: polymuser

He makes NO mention of the UAW and other unions which made it unprofitable for U.S. corporations to continue to have manufacturing operations in the U.S.

THEY certainly aren’t the “fault’ of Republicans.

AND, the foreign manufacturers located their plants in the south to AVOID Unions, NOT because of some “economic Nationalism of Reagan”.


44 posted on 12/16/2008 10:06:10 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Diplomat
You are correct. The union problem is not only at Auto's. It is pervasive in industry. It is the main reason why we have the "rust belt". Unions are as far away as you can get from free market capitalism. UAW for example is a monopoly. They have no competition where they rule. The government workers unions and teachers union are even worse. Unions were OK when labor laws did not protect workers and children. Now we have government agencies such as OSHA protecting workers. Unions should be abolished across the board.
45 posted on 12/16/2008 10:06:11 AM PST by ajay_kumar (Sacrificial RINO's in 2012, Real Conservatives in 2016)
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To: dragnet2
And, unlike Mitsubishi, General Motors didn't bomb Pearl Harbor.

And it was Volkswagen that gassed all those Jews at Auschwitz.

46 posted on 12/16/2008 10:06:37 AM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Read the thread, don’t waste my time...

Social issues aside, Pat is stuck in the 1950's, economically. The economic conditions that existed post WWII that allowed someone with a high school education to get a job at an auto plant that would support their family and take them to retirement are gone. The world changed and we can't undo the changes by passing a few laws.

47 posted on 12/16/2008 10:07:19 AM PST by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He's right about one thing: Republicans reward rich Wall Street plutocrats with a bailout and then turn around and tell blue collar working stiffs, "sorry, we can't help you." That's hypocrisy in the extreme. Tell me again why socialism is good for millionaires who don't need it but its bad for the people who build cars Americans drive.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

48 posted on 12/16/2008 10:07:34 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: polymuser

“I’m no Buchanan fan, but how is he wrong in this piece?”

He is wrong in two major respects: 1) free trade is good, and 2) corporatism is bad. When it comes to economic matters, Buchanan is purely and simply a statist.


49 posted on 12/16/2008 10:07:54 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: dragnet2

Are there any workers still at Mitsubishi that built the Vals and Zeros that attacked Pearl Harbor? That was 67 years ago! While we’re at it, let’s quit buying Range Rovers because the Brit’s sicced the Hessians on us...


50 posted on 12/16/2008 10:08:12 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

See my prior post, bailing our the UAW with my tax dollars is a bigger F U to America. If GM, Ford and Chrystler vanishes today, it will not affect our weapons manufacture. Can any of you even name a single weapon system contracted to one of the big 3 at the present time?

Paying people for years 95% of their salary to sit at home is beyond folly. Why I, who’ve worked my arse off, should be forced to reward this sloth and greed is bs. Furthermore, its nothing more than a bandaid applied to a severed leg, it’s not going to work.


51 posted on 12/16/2008 10:08:25 AM PST by Diplomat
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Er, sorry, I meant to quote your post:

The 1950’s weren’t so bad, my friend.

52 posted on 12/16/2008 10:08:43 AM PST by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The “greatest manufacturing company in American history” is losing 2 billion a month, that “loan” would only keep them afloat for 7 months. Does Pat really think they’ll magically fix things in 7 months?! If they could do that they’d get a loan from a bank.


53 posted on 12/16/2008 10:09:05 AM PST by dilvish
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To: polymuser

He’s advocating socialism.


54 posted on 12/16/2008 10:09:19 AM PST by Marie2
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To: goldstategop

That is precisely why the original Chrysler bailout was a a bad idea. It set a terrible precedent. Once you do it for one, everyone else is going to demand you do it for them as well. We should have nipped this thing in the bud way back in 77.


55 posted on 12/16/2008 10:10:17 AM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: sam_paine

“The 1950’s weren’t so bad, my friend.
Depends on what color your skin was.”

I’ll take 1954 all over again. The good _and_ the bad.
And no apologies.

Sorry if this offends anyone...

- John


56 posted on 12/16/2008 10:10:26 AM PST by Fishrrman
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To: polymuser

I’m no Buchanan fan, but how is he wrong in this piece?


Great question!

I read a lot of anti-Buchanan rants here....the same ones who regurgitate the failed Free Trade mantra, even when reality has dismissed their failed theories as moot.

But, Buchanan has quite accurately pointed out that the “Toyota Republicans” have screwed the GOP...esp if any GOP presidential candidate wants to win the industrial states....and voters in those states who are nominally conservative (except when it comes to their jobs)

And, the real message here...is that the same Senators who killed the auto bailout are from states that had no problem subsidizing foreign auto makers....they would rather aid a foreigner than an American

I wonder if those, who chide Buchanan for still being “in the 1950s or 1940s”....really prefer the economic situation of 2008?


57 posted on 12/16/2008 10:10:28 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Always question the patriotism of any Globalist)
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To: N3WBI3

And now they’re begging for money again. Long term mismanagement always leads to failure.


58 posted on 12/16/2008 10:10:46 AM PST by dilvish
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To: Citizen Blade
Social issues aside, Pat is stuck in the 1950's, economically.

In the '50s? You mean when America was great, and respected in every corner of the globe, and feared by all enemies, or what was left of them at that point.

59 posted on 12/16/2008 10:11:28 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“When an icon of American industry, Harley-Davidson, was being run out of business by cutthroat Japanese dumping of big bikes to kill the “Harley Hog,” Reagan slapped 50 percent tariffs on their motorcycles and imposed quotas on imported Japanese cars. Message to Tokyo. If you folks want to keep selling cars here, start building them here.”

Okay, Pat, the Gov. should intervene, but ONLY when necessary, or else Detroit might get cocky.

60 posted on 12/16/2008 10:11:32 AM PST by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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