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Montgomery Erasing Gifted Label (Barf w/ chunks - PC nonsense)
The Washington Post ^ | 12-16-08 | Daniel de Vise

Posted on 12/16/2008 5:03:37 PM PST by wac3rd

The label of gifted, as prized to some parents as a "My Child Is an Honor Student" bumper sticker, is about to be dropped by the Montgomery County school system.

Officials plan to abandon a decades-old policy that sorts second-grade students, like Dr. Seuss's Sneetches, into those who are gifted (the Star-Belly sort) and those who are not. Several other school systems in the region identify children in the same manner. But Montgomery education leaders have decided that the practice is arbitrary and unfair.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: education; giftededucation; liberalbias; montgomerycounty
.........the drum roll please..........the reason the school system banned the "gifted" label....

"Two-fifths of Montgomery students are considered gifted on the basis of aptitude tests, schoolwork, expert opinion and parents' wishes. Officials say the approach slights the rest of the students who are not so labeled. White and Asian American students are twice as likely as blacks and Hispanics to be identified as gifted."

1 posted on 12/16/2008 5:03:38 PM PST by wac3rd
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To: wac3rd; Freee-dame; maica

MD edu ping


2 posted on 12/16/2008 5:07:33 PM PST by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: wac3rd

Sorting by merit is discrimination! The only fair way to sort students is by ......ummm.....uhhhh......height.

Short people are inferior.


3 posted on 12/16/2008 5:08:29 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: wac3rd

My boys were always in the Gifted programs but I never thought they should be called that since it inflated their opinions of themselves. Both survived well enough though.


4 posted on 12/16/2008 5:12:12 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: Travis McGee

Given that this is MoCo, presumably there is a whole superstructure of specialists, etc. who have been associated with the GT program.

Do you think anyone will be dismissed as no longer necessary? /s


5 posted on 12/16/2008 5:12:15 PM PST by rockvillem
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To: wac3rd
Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.:
6 posted on 12/16/2008 5:16:33 PM PST by denydenydeny ("Banish Merry Christmas. Get ready for Mad Max.."-Daniel Henninger)
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To: wac3rd
There is no need for exceptionalism or unique skills any longer. Comrade Zero will be guiding us on the Shining Path to conformity and lower carbon footprints. First, the children...


7 posted on 12/16/2008 5:17:13 PM PST by TonyStark
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To: wac3rd
Of course the leftists think gifted education programs are unfair. They provide specialized services for the highly intelligent, who do not appear on their list of groups to be favored, protected and coddled.

And when everyone's super... no one will be.

8 posted on 12/16/2008 5:19:35 PM PST by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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9 posted on 12/16/2008 5:22:43 PM PST by bmwcyle (McCain had no honor when he failed to defend Sarah Palin, Leno was not enough)
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To: wac3rd
Officials plan to abandon a decades-old policy that sorts second-grade students, like Dr. Seuss's Sneetches, into those who are gifted (the Star-Belly sort) and those who are not.

Good to see the Compost writing to their reader's level.

10 posted on 12/16/2008 5:23:20 PM PST by thecabal (We care a lot)
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To: wac3rd

I have a child in the ‘gifted program’. This report is absolute malarkey. This is the ‘philosophy’ as ‘not using red ink to grade a paper’...and NO COMPETITION. They just want a bunch of weenies to grow a country, huh? Good, fair competition is HEALTHY! One strives to be better (better themselves) according to one’s ability or those they aspire to be like.


11 posted on 12/16/2008 5:23:26 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: wac3rd
Now that I'm older I know that the “gifted” talk/categorization is all BS. I wouldn't have said that 30 years ago but now I know that it is true.

Dear friends of mine had a son (now 33) who was labeled “gifted”. His parents spent $10k to $15k a year for special schooling to have him achieve his potential. This is money they sacrificed for a dream to achieve the lads potential and really couldn't afford it and went into debt. It turns out our “gifted” boy dropped out of high school in his senior year and lived as homeless person for awhile. He married an older woman with a child 5 years younger than he was and lives in a mobile home and works in a factory. He hasn't read a book in 15 years and couldn't name the vice president of the US or identify Nancy Pelosi.

12 posted on 12/16/2008 5:29:21 PM PST by BeAllYouCanBe (Until Americans love their own children more than they love Nancy Pelosi this suicide will continue.)
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“My Child is a F*****g Retard. We are all Democrats.”


13 posted on 12/16/2008 5:33:13 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: wac3rd

The elimination of the gifted and talented programs parallel nicely the same mentality of the unions. In a union shop the workers are discouraged from excelling. The “we are all in this together” mentality states that if you excel, you will only raise the bar for the rest of us. Now we can’t have that.

It is the same in education when the terrible teachers are paid the same as the excellent teachers. When this system prevails, only the highly motivated, dedicated and moral teachers will strive for excellence from themselves and their students. This kind of teacher is hard to find and almost impossible to maintain in a climate of “just do what you need to do to get by.”

By eliminating the gifted classification, the desire to excell can be destroyed at a very young age.

Our education system spends to few resources fertilizing the productive, and to many resources fertilizing the weeds.
It is known as the dumbing down of America. It has now begun to work for the Democrats. How else could Obama get elected?


14 posted on 12/16/2008 5:46:12 PM PST by Saltmeat
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To: arrogantsob
My boys were always in the Gifted programs but I never thought they should be called that since it inflated their opinions of themselves. Both survived well enough though.

My daughter was in honors everything but never thought she was better than anybody else. She worked very hard to achieve and was rewarded accordingly. When they take away the reward for achievement, then there will be no bar to reach. Then they can all have babies in high school, do crack and live at home till they're 30 because hard work isn't that relative after all.

My daughter? Now in her early 30's is still a top achiever. She just won the top award for her district and region with her company and is soon to be featured on the cover of her corporate magazine. And she's still just an average girl that wants to do the best at what she does.

That attitude should be cultivated in schools, not smothered.

15 posted on 12/16/2008 5:48:46 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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I hope they don't strike it from the WAIS. If I can't be considered special, I'll stop excelling.


16 posted on 12/16/2008 5:53:15 PM PST by KarinG1 (Opinions expressed in this post are my own and do not necessarily represent those of sane people.)
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To: wac3rd

A very touchy subject, when considering a specific race or creed in ANY analysis. But my personal analysis is this, If your kid’s smarter then the average kid, GOOD FOR YOU, and GOOD FOR THEM, if your kid ain’t, HELP YOUR KID as much as you can, to be the best he or she can be, AND be gratefull that we live in a nation where eugenics, racisim, and all manner of stupid thought, was rejected by the founders of this nation. It might have took some time before our nation fullfilled what it stood for.
But I’m very proud of the fact that we did what we as a nation have done, We had a real and costly war, WITH OURSELVES! And were blessed afterwards by certain folk to make us a more whole and fair nation, NEVER FORGET THAT. Folks have given the ultimate sacrifice so that we can all have equality. In the law, (most important), and in the support of whatever YOU belive in:
Support of a candidate, check.
Support of a Church, Synagog(SP), Mosque, etc. check.

The list of our freedoms and equality goes on.

So, if you think your kid is so smart, that you HAVE to put a bumper sticker on your car, you deserve criticisim, Becase YOUR being stupid. You open yourself up to criticism, and I swear, if I see a “Baby on board” car sign again on the interstate,... well I’ll be nice, I may make a geusture or three.


17 posted on 12/16/2008 5:54:25 PM PST by ChetNavVet (Build It, and they won't come!)
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To: wac3rd
makes me wanna puke...
18 posted on 12/16/2008 5:58:21 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: Saltmeat

I have two friends who worked at union shops in HS and in college; one at the Ralph’s Supermarket in Glendale and the other in Hayward as a welder.

They both worked hard and finished early their first month, then moved on to other tasks they saw unfinished, just to assist for the hour or so left in the shift.

BOTH (separate jobs/separate parts of CA/separate unions) were both taken aside by their managers and told, “what, are your trying to show us all up? Take it easy, you don’t need to rush.”

One friend (conservative today) quit the next week, the other is an overweight, whiny Obama voter who cries at his $120,000 salary (currently laid off).


19 posted on 12/16/2008 5:59:46 PM PST by wac3rd (In the end, we all are Conservative, some just need their lives jolted to realize that fact.)
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To: wac3rd
40% of Montgomery students are considered gifted on the basis of aptitude tests, schoolwork, expert opinion and parents' wishes...

since the last two don't count, i'd say it's less than 20%

20 posted on 12/16/2008 6:03:47 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: wac3rd
Exceptional-ism is the antithesis of Marxism. Shortening or lengthening the race, tying one arm behind one person's back and giving another a baseball bat are the overt signs of Communism.

If you are smart and succeed, you do not need the government for much, plain and simple. Those people always end up paying much more than they contribute, in the end.

Marxists do not like independent intellect as it debases their collective thought ideology.

I feel as if seeing right through Katie Couric, Keith Olbermann or even the New York Times isn't because I'm a raving right-wing lunatic, but bright enough to see the implicit brainwashing and toxic Communism disguised as “do-gooder” or “tolerant” behavior, when in fact, it is the opposite.

I thank God I can see through the Marxist garbage and don't want to end up in an Obama gulag for political prisoners.

21 posted on 12/16/2008 6:07:54 PM PST by wac3rd (In the end, we all are Conservative, some just need their lives jolted to realize that fact.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

perspective:
http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/hb.html


22 posted on 12/16/2008 6:11:20 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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"Two-fifths of Montgomery students are considered gifted on the basis of aptitude tests, schoolwork, expert opinion and parents' wishes. Officials say the approach slights the rest of the students who are not so labeled. White and Asian American students are twice as likely as blacks and Hispanics to be identified as gifted."

I find it interesting that the other three-fifths of parents have not requested that their kids participate in the gifted programs, which are more work for the kids and for the parents, but at least some of them object to other kids getting something they don't want. That is a unique identifying feature of democrats. If a kid is getting a higher level of music or art than my talentless kids get, I think that is great. If another kid is doing something in creative writing that is being published in the school paper, magazine, or whatever, I'm all for that too. I don't feel slighted if someone else does well; I feel proud for them. I'm a conservative, and I think accomplishment is good.

23 posted on 12/16/2008 6:26:03 PM PST by MathDoc (War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. Obama is Good.)
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And here I thought that the gifted students were being separated because they wouldn't THRIVE in the normal learning environment (or so I've heard). I thought that it was a wonder that they wouldn't die of sheer boredom in the normal environment. But here we are again...if you separate gifted students, that's RACIST!

 

Maryland "Freak State" PING!

24 posted on 12/16/2008 6:39:28 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (This election gave the drunks the keys to the liquor cabinet!)
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But here we are again...if you separate gifted students, that's RACIST!

Not in my daughter's school. She is one of only 2 white kids in the Talented and Gifted (TaG) class for the 5th grade. There are 9 children in the class and none are Asian and only 1 is Hispanic.

I guess other white pareents could claim racism, considering non-hispanic whites are a minority in the school.........

25 posted on 12/16/2008 7:06:20 PM PST by Gabz (Is a sarcasm tag really needed?)
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To: wac3rd

The best classes I ever had in school were the ones for gifted students. Back then it was called the “accelerated” program. The regular classes were too often a boring waste of time. I thought many of the teachers were stupid. With the perspective of 30+ years, I still think so.


26 posted on 12/16/2008 7:56:33 PM PST by bluegirl
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To: wac3rd
A documentary on how our engineering and math students compare with global competition: Two Million Minutes
27 posted on 12/16/2008 8:49:21 PM PST by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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“White and Asian American students are twice as likely as blacks and Hispanics to be identified as gifted.”

The Bell Curve, huh?

But, orientals (”Asians”) aren’t true minorities, because they don’t fit the mold of being oppressed by whitey.


28 posted on 12/17/2008 6:00:31 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: arrogantsob

I would agree with that more than the official pathetic PC reason.

Just like I hate those “My child is great” stickers on cars. I think that’s not only arrogant but inflating the egos of the children involved.

Actually I’m shocked those things are in vogue, with all the talk about “self-esteem”. After all, they stopped giving out athletic trophies just to the real good players because it might hurt feelings of the other 95%.


29 posted on 12/17/2008 6:03:09 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: wac3rd

Being a retired veteran of the Talented and Gifted classes, I can tell you first hand, it is NOT a label that helps them in school. Youu may just as well give them pocket protectors and taped birth control glasses.

They get ridiculed from everyone else in the school, just because they have an aptitude for learning the basics of education.

20%? That seems awfully high. Maybe the standards for the gifted label have been lowered, because in my day, it was more like 1%.


30 posted on 12/18/2008 7:30:00 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy)
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To: ChetNavVet
So, if you think your kid is so smart, that you HAVE to put a bumper sticker on your car, you deserve criticisim, Becase YOUR being stupid. You open yourself up to criticism, and I swear, if I see a “Baby on board” car sign again on the interstate,... well I’ll be nice, I may make a geusture or three.

First rule of Internet ranting... If you're going to rant and call someone else stupid, be sure and check your grammar and spelling when you do so as to not come across as an idiot...

31 posted on 12/18/2008 7:43:46 AM PST by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: wac3rd

The public school system has been about the systematic dumbing down of the population for 40 years+, the election of Fauxbama is the culmination of their success in that regard.

Leaving your children in public school when you have any means available not to, is pure and simple child abuse, period.


32 posted on 12/18/2008 7:46:08 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: wac3rd
Marxists do not like independent intellect as it debases their collective thought ideology.

You are spot on.

In my estimation, that is the chief reason why they loathe HomeSchoolers and would like to outlaw the practice altogether.
33 posted on 12/18/2008 7:53:43 AM PST by stentorian conservative
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