Skip to comments.CHRC: it's OK to say gays should be "beheaded", Jews "spread corruption", Hindus must "be killed"
Posted on 12/18/2008 6:13:02 AM PST by Clive
The Canadian Human Rights Commission has rejected a human rights complaint filed against a radical Muslim imam who published an viciously bigoted book about gays, Jews, women, Christians, and even called for the murder of infidels.
Marc Lebuis, the publisher of the Quebec blog Point de Bascule, filed a complaint with the CHRC back in April, after reading a hateful book called "Islam or Integration?" "Islam or Fundamentalism" (thanks to reader John for the translation correction.) You can see a copy of the book in its entirety here. (It's in French.)
The book plainly meets all the tests of section 13, including the jurisdictional test -- it was written by a radical Muslim cleric here in Canada, named Abou Hammaad Sulaiman Al-Hayiti, and it was published on the Internet by him, too.
More importantly, Al-Hayiti's book seethes with hate. According to Lebuis's careful notes, it included statements such as these (I've included only a portion of them):
Homosexuals Homosexuals and lesbians should be "exterminated in this life" "Homosexuals caught performing sodomy are beheaded"
Infidels Most Infidels “live like animals” "sending our sons and daughters to the schools of the Infidels has devastating effects on their beliefs, their behavior and their character. For the children of Infidels are the most pervert children. At a very early age, they adopt the behavior of their parents "
Men are superior to women "men are superior to women and better than them". In general, "men have a more complete intellect and memory than women"
Muslim women are superior to Infidel women "The veiled Muslim woman is a light in the darkness of the 20th century, she carries the torch of modesty, of chastity and of Islamic values" “male Infidels will not be happy with us until our women are in their beds, in their magazines and in their dancing clubs !” "If a Muslim woman marries a non-Muslim man ... their marriage is invalid, in fact it is adultery"
Muslims are superior to Infidels "... a Muslim must never put his brother in Islam at the same level as an Infidel. In fact, to place Infidels at equality with Muslims is one of the greatest form of ignorance and injustice" "The rule is that the most disobedient among Muslims is better than the most virtuous, the most polite, the most honest and the most loyal among the Infidels"
Christianity "It is because of this religion of lies, which goes against human nature, that the West is now full of perversity, corruption and adultery"
Jews Jews "spread corruption and chaos on earth" Most Jews "seek only material goods and money, apart from that, they have nothing"
Slavery "owning slaves is not prohibited" "Allah has allowed men to marry two, three or four women, but one who fears he will not be fair can marry only one or have slaves."
Democracy is contrary to Islam. Jihad is a duty of sedition "Democracy is a system in total contradiction with Islam" "... freedom is unknown in Islam, it contradicts Islam, therefore it is a false concept" "[freedom] serves to justify corruption" and "stooping to the lowest levels of bestiality" “Anyone who leaves Islam, cut his neck” in an Islamic state, Christians and Jews can keep their religion but they must pay a sum of money, the Jizyah. "The purpose of the Jizyah is to humiliate and punish Infidels to encourage them to accept Islam." The other Infidels (Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, etc.) have no options but to accept Islam or “be killed"
Dear reader, don't get me wrong. I don't believe it should be against the law to have this much hate in your heart. I'd want to make sure that Al-Hayiti's calls to violence (cut an apostate's neck, kill Hindus and Buddhists, etc.) didn't meet the standard of criminal incitement, and I'd hope that CSIS was attending his sermons to make sure he wasn't going even further off the cuff. But plain old-fashioned anti-Semitism, misogyny, anti-gay bigotry, etc., ought to be legal. The answer is denunciation, debate, marginalization, etc. -- not government censorship.
But that's not the approach taken by the CHRC. They have prosecuted Canadians for much less. But they refuse to prosecute anyone who, well, isn't Christian.
As readers will know, I was specifically acquitted of section 13 charges for publishing the exact same words for which Rev. Stephen Boissoin was found to have committed "hate speech", by both the CHRC and the Alberta HRC. That's because I'm Jewish, and Rev. Boissoin's Christian. HRCs have a special hate for Christians.
And, despite the fact that there do exist a number of radical Muslim inciters like Al-Hayiti in Canada, not a single radical Muslim (or radical Tamil, or radical Sikh) hate-monger has ever been prosecuted.
And, so it is again: the CHRC has rejected Lebuis's complaint. The rejection states:
“ ...the majority of the references in “Islam or Fundamentalism” are to “infidels”, “miscreants” or “western women”. These are general, broad and diversified categories that do not constitute an “identifiable group” under Section 13 of the Act. As we have also mentioned, the extracts that identify groups on the basis of prohibited grounds of discrimination (homosexuals, lesbians, Christians, Jews) do not seem to promote “hatred” or “contempt” according to the criteria set forth in the Taylor case. Therefore, the document on which the complaint is based does not seem to meet the requirements of Section 13 of the Act for a complaint.”
Translation: when a radical Muslim says gays should be killed, Buddhists should be killed, women may be treated like slaves, etc., those victims are not legally considered to be "identifiable groups" -- they have no human rights.
Gays, women, Buddhists, Jews, etc., do have human rights that can be offended only when white supremacists do the offending. When radical Muslims are doing the offending, gays, women, Jews, etc., can just get a thicker skin.
It's B.S., of course. It's an excuse made up out of thin air -- there is no such jurisprudence. The rejection is tarted up to look official, or rooted in some sort of rule of law. But it's not. It's raw politics. In the politically correct war of censorship that the CHRC wages on Canadians, Muslims are exempt from the law (as are Tamils, Sikhs and even Jews).
That's a form of corruption.
This is proof that the CHRC is a political weapon, not a human rights agency, and certainly not an agency that deserves to be called any sort of legal apparatus.
This is proof that the Official Jews have made a grave mistake in being Canada's loudest defenders of HRCs. For HRCs have no problem going after pro-Jewish voices like Maclean's magazine, or Fr. Alphonse de Valk, or the Christian Heritage Party, etc., (even if they're eventually acquitted, for the lengthy, costly process itself is the punishment) but they'll never go after the true haters -- people who actually call for murders.
This is a particularly egregious case, for the offensive work is particularly grotesque, and it borders on criminal incitement (I'm not a criminal lawyer -- it may in fact cross over that border).
The CHRC's hypocrisy isn't new.
Their double-standard isn't new.
What's new is that this is happening in Quebec.
So far, Quebec has largely ignored the human rights battles in the rest of Canada. I'm not quite sure why, but it hasn't been a big issue there. I did note this editorial in La Presse calling for the abolition of section 13, but that's about it.
I think this issue will change it.
First of all, Lebuis is an articulate, smart and passionate bilingual advocate, with an increasingly popular blog.
Second, the story already received good exposure today in Le Devoir (I'll post the whole story when I can find it.) Here's a Google translation of the first part of that story, but the headline says it all:
Canadian Human Rights Commission: attacking gays, westerners and Jews isn't necessarily hateful
I think that would irritate any Canadian who believes in tolerance, equality, peace and freedom. But Quebec is particularly sensitive to the issue, having just gone through a province-wide exercise about how far they should go to "accommodate" radical Islam. That accommodation debate was formally styled as accommodating any minority, but it was really a proxy for dealing with Islam. The answer was pretty unanimous: Quebeckers don't want special rules or exceptions. This headline is therefore doubly powerful: it shouts out the special exception given to a radical Muslim cleric, and it points out that the exception in fact has to do with hating Quebeckers.
I believe the debate on the CHRC has now officially started in Quebec.
Just last week I wrote about a bold decision by Lawrence Cannon, the new Foreign Minister and one of Stephen Harper's key MPs in Quebec, to counterbalance the CHRC by inviting me to an official function. I think Cannon would be a good person to write to, again, about this latest inflammatory decision by the CHRC. It's egregious to all Canadians; but I believe it's especially insulting to Quebec, and their culture of equality for women and tolerance for gays.
Why don't you drop Cannon a quick e-mail, pointing out the hypocrisy of the CHRC, and demanding to know why they permit this incitement to violence, while hounding legitimate political discussants like Rev. Boissoin and Fr. de Valk?
I mean, really: how does Jennifer Lynch, the chief commissar at the CHRC keep her job? The same woman who persecutes Christian clergy for their mild and peaceful rhetoric just gave a free pass to the most vile anti-Semitism, misogyny and, frankly, anti-Quebec rant that I think I've ever read.
What's Cannon going to do about it? Ask him, by clicking here. And here’s the prime minister’s, while you’re at it.
I know what they should do:
Fire. Them. All.
"Homosexuals caught performing sodomy are beheaded"Well .. okay... 'beheaded', fine.
Canada should pass RICO laws and prosecute the CHRC as a “continuing criminal enterprise”. Then they should all be given very long prison sentences.
If a radical Christian denomination preacher had wrote this trash wold he be afforded these same results?.............
I have already purchased property on the Moon....that’s the only nearby place that has not been corrupted, YET! Now, how to get there and how to breath....
I’ll be looking for Mark Steyn to soon say that Muslims should be beheaded, spread corruption, and must be killed...since it’s ok for one feller to say it about certain groups of people, why would it not be ok for someone else to say it about a different group of people?
Wasn’t Mark Steyn brought before the HRC’s kangaroo court for saying about Islam a small fraction of what Al-Hayiti claims proundly for his own religion?
Christianity “which goes against human nature,”
The only ounce of truth in the book. I’m glad to see that Christianity goes against the human sin nature in a way that’s foreign to the infidels (Muslims).
In my absence it would seem that bureaucrats and social engineers have run riot and gotten up to all sorts of mischief.
Just what the Devil is this “Canadian Human Rights Commission” anyway? I thought the whole point of making sure the “Charter of Rights and Freedoms” was entrenched in our Constitution was to ensure everyone knew their “Rights”. Now there’s a “Commission” to do the same thing too? That’s plain mad!
And now there’s muslim terrorist imams in Canada telling their evil followers to chop off people’s heads?? Why isn’t the RCMP around there pronto and hauling his ass off to gaol? Uttering a threat used to be a Crime in Canada, when I lived there.
What have these people done to my Country when I wasn’t looking???
Another 100 Canadian $ for you Ezra. Happy Christmas!
The article said — “This is proof that the CHRC is a political weapon, not a human rights agency, and certainly not an agency that deserves to be called any sort of legal apparatus.”
Yes, proof that it’s a political weapon against Christianity and the ability to spread the Gospel message. There are many groups, agencies and governments that want to do all they can to stop the spread of the message of the Gospel, but will allow all other anti-Christian messages spread.
There, fixed it
Somehow I think not.
Canada has simply gone the way of the rest of the Western world: Hate Christians, kiss Muslim ass.
I’m sick of the lot of ‘em.
> There, fixed it
A tad on the harsh side? I do live half the world away now, and paying attention from a long distance is difficult at best.
Have they seen the light? Doubtful, eh?
I find it curious that the easy going, tolerant Canadians would tolerate this intolerance.
I know your question is rhetorical, but HRCs have ruled against moderate Christian preachers. In one case, they ruled against a preacher for quoting the Bible.
“Canada should pass RICO laws and prosecute the CHRC as a continuing criminal enterprise. Then they should all be given very long prison sentences.”
I tend to disagree.
The CHRC, imo, is an active enemy propaganda outfit during a time of war and should be closed with, fixed in place, and destroyed. To the last man/woman of em, without mercy, compassion or hesitation.
And enemy is a thing to be destroyed. This isn’t about difference of opinion, or any of that weak sauce. This is about supporting the enemy’s goals while engaged in a war against that enemy. That makes them every bit the legit enemy as the jihadiscum trigger pullers that CHRC works to protect through its propaganda efforts.
> I find it curious that the easy going, tolerant Canadians would tolerate this intolerance.
In a bizarre way I understand my Countrymen and can see how and why this would happen in Canada.
You see, in Canada we have a concept called “The Cultural Mosaic”. Your analog in America is “The American Melting Pot”. Both are analogies as to how each country will deal with diversity. And while they sound similar — both imply that there will be diverse peoples involved — the concepts are radically different.
Starting with the Melting Pot: you Yanks take people from all over the world, chuck them all together and blend them into a reasonably-uniform “American”. The idea being they become American first, last, and always — who just happens to have originated in Italy or Ireland or South Africa or...
The Cultural Mosaic is a different concept. If you think of a mosaic, it is a whole bunch of tiles separated by grout that, together, form a picture. No one tile is more important than the other, and no one tile comprises the entire picture. There is no attempt to blend the tiles together: they remain separate. As with tiles, so with cultures: Canada has been structured to be a country that comprises a large number of separate national identities, with no attempt to blend them or to develop a uniform “Canadian” culture.
Now, if you can get your head around those two very different concepts, hopefully alot about your Canadian neighbors will suddenly make sense.
Being American is almost a Religion: almost. Being American comes loaded with a whole bunch of values and shared beliefs. This became very obvious to me when I visited the Monuments in Washington DC. “The Faithful” came from all over the US — even in the pouring rain — and lined up to see Monuments. Almost like muslims visiting Mecca — except without the Evil islamic overtones.
Being Canadian is, well, not being American. Canadians would never line up in the rain to see Monuments, because the values and shared beliefs just aren’t there. Being Canadian is not at all like a Religion.
OK, so all of this can happen because there is no strong sense of unified national identity, and there is an accepted baseline view that everybody’s tile in the mosaic is as valid as everybody else’s, and each one must therefore be protected from everybody else...
I hope all that makes sense: it kinda does to me.
IIRC, they arrested a Christian for saying a lot less severe things about gays.
Muslims must be a “protected” class...............
***I have already purchased property on the Moon....thats the only nearby place that has not been corrupted, YET! Now, how to get there and how to breath....***
You bought property on the Moon? WOW! We might be neighbors one day. My lot has a lot of small rocks on it. I figure we can build a hut with them. I saw them on Google maps, so I know the rocks are there.
It's OK to be a Muslim and say that stuff. Try it as anything else and they'll say something different. Thus your comment about Muslims being a "protected" class is spot on.
I have no idea what it's going to take to get people like that to realize that it's us that need protecting from radical Muslims, but just such a "sea change" needs to happen soon.
> Isn’t Queen Elizabeths portrait on the Canadian currency ?
Yes. She is the Head of State in Canada. In this capacity she is the Queen of Canada — a role that is quite separate to her role as Queen of the United Kingdom.
Now, that idea is going to seem a little weird to Americans, I suspect. It’s all a part of belonging to the Commonwealth. (She is also the Queen of New Zealand — again, a separate role to the role of Queen of the United Kingdom)
> This would seem to indicate a strong connection to the UK and English law, which is the basis for American law.
Yes, that is true to an extent, but it was more true before 1980. Canada was a member of the British Empire, even two centuries before Confederation in 1867.
Canada became a Dominion (limited self-rule) and then a country in its own right, governed by the “British North America Act” which was a piece of British Law, maintained by the British Parliament.
In 1967 for the Centennary Canada changed its national flag from the Red Ensign (red flag with Union Jack in upper left corner) to the Maple Leaf that you are familiar with today — thus taking a step away from its British roots.
Then in 1980 Canada “repatriated” the BNA Act and replaced it with a Constitution that contains an Entrenched Charter of Rights and Freedoms (thus nearly impossible to change). All provinces bar Quebec signed up to this Constitution.
The Charter of Rights and Freedoms superseded a whole bunch of British Common Law.
So Canada’s links to the UK are becoming less and less and less over time.
“Two, Mr Christian?”
We are working on that type of BS here, where one group can say what they please but others cannot.
I was born and raised in Vancouver, and spent alot of time in the US. Then I emigrated to NZ, where I am now.
> I always ask for Molsons, but this past July I discovered the number 1 beer up north is Coors. Gad !
When I lived in British Columbia, our favorite beer was Kokanee. “Big Foot” used to advertize it! A very pleasant drop...
Why NZ ?
As long as you add, “Muzzies should be shot on sight” I will agree with the stupid statement posted above! (SACR)
> Why NZ ?
I married a pretty Kiwi girl. She wanted to go home and, strangely enough, I followed her...
I understand Australia/NZ have a different household electric current; not 110 volts as in the US...
Coors in Canada has been brewed under licence by Molson for at least 20 years now, to Canadian strength (5%). A few years ago Molson and Coors merged, the combined company is Molson Coors Ltd.
> I understand Australia/NZ have a different household electric current; not 110 volts as in the US...
That’s true. Both use 220 volts. And (believe it or not) the plugs are different!
Our telephone plugs are different, too. You use the RJ11c plugs, and we use something that is also four wire, but wider and narrower.
Getting a 220 volt shock is no joke! 110 volt is bad enough (had those back in Canada a couple times when I was careless). 220 volt is not pleasant at all — not even in jest!
A few nice cars — like Corvettes and Camaros — find their way here. Some of them get their steering wheels swapped over, but most of them don’t: they just drive them as they are. My next door neighbor collects American cars.
Now owned by Labatts . Coors brewed by Molson Coors Brewing Company. Nothing is sacred when big business takes over.
They all taste the same. Unionized , pasteurized piss.
Even Creemore Springs, Rickard's and Keith's have been taken over.
> Now owned by Labatts . Coors brewed by Molson Coors Brewing Company. Nothing is sacred when big business takes over.
Eeeeeew! I worked for Elders IXL when they owned Fosters (mid 1980’s) and went into partnership with Molsons to brew Fosters in Canada. It was dreadful!
The real Fosters from Oz is much, much nicer!
Big Business must think we’re all stupid and won’t notice.
> We lived in Japan in the 1950s and drove American cars. The passenger was co-pilot, more or less and could signal when it was safe to pass.
That’s hillarious! Somehow I can just picture that...
> They all taste the same. Unionized , pasteurized piss.
To an extent that is also true in NZ and OZ, except there is still differences between the brands, and the beer does taste quite nice.
There are plenty of good boutique beers here in NZ, so it is not necessary to drink regular stuff if you’d rather not.
My favorites are made by the Cock & Bull Pub. All of their beers are delicious — make you forget all about Kokanee...