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Russian Navy's Visit to Venezuela Filled With Mishaps
humanevents.com ^ | 12/18/2008 | Gustavo Coronel

Posted on 12/18/2008 12:53:22 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Why would the Russian navy -- a shadow of the former Soviet fleet -- go to the effort to sail to Venezuela? Three reasons.

The first one is found in the announcement made by President Medvedev in a November 5 speech --“Russia is returning to superpower status” -- and describing the Venezuelan visit as a “counterweight to U.S. influence.” Whether it is a superpower or not, Russia wants to give the appearance of being one.

The second reason is the Russian objective of becoming a global energy superpower, which required them to court potential Latin American allies that are rich in energy such as Venezuela and Brazil. The third and, perhaps, most important reason is the obsessive desire by Chavez to irritate the U.S.

In 1697, William Congreve said: “Hell has no fury like a woman scorned.” He should have added “or a politician neglected”. The indifference shown by the U.S to Chavez’s frequent insults and threats has thrown him into the hands of Vladimir Putin and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. But even response, and attention, would probably not have deterred him from joining with America’s enemies, because Chavez -- like every dictator before him -- is insecure in his power. Not only has he bought or placed orders for almost $10 billion in Russian weapons, but he is also handing the Russians important oil and gold mining concessions.

The Russian naval force visiting Venezuela included the missile-bearing, nuclear destroyer “Peter the Great,” the anti-submarine ship “Admiral Chabanenko,” and two support vessels, with a combined crew of 1600. The Venezuelan navy would have been represented by up to 12 ships with about 1000 sailors.

Tal Cual, a Venezuelan daily newspaper, described the exercises as a “clash of civilizations” due to the strange and even hilarious events that occurred. To start with, the Cuban officers brought along by the Venezuelan navy as interpreters were not allowed by the Russians, who could not understand why the Venezuelan navy had to rely on Cuban personnel. When Venezuelan strongman Chavez tried to visit the ship “Admiral Chabanenko,” his bodyguards were not allowed to go aboard. A fistfight broke between the Russian sailors and the bodyguards -- one Russian sailor suffering a broken nose.

The Venezuelan participation in the exercises was finally reduced to two frigates, F21 and F24, and the transport ship T81, since the other units were not seaworthy. The access of Chavez to the flagship Russian “Peter the Great” was not allowed. In retaliation, Chavez refused to receive Russian President Medvedev at his arrival, sending his colorless vice president Ramon Carrizales instead. Medvedev was reportedly not amused, but his visit had objectives to fulfill that were more important than his irritation at Chavez’s faulty protocol. Twenty-three agreements were signed, including the creation of a joint Russian-Venezuelan bank with $4 billion initial capital, direct flights Caracas-Moscow, a new aluminum smelter, Russian participation in the Venezuelan oil and gas sectors and the possible development of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. Medvedev also visited Brazil, Peru and Cuba before returning to Russia.

The strange events taking place during the naval exercises suggest that the Russian-Venezuelan exercise started on the wrong foot, in spite of the coquettish attitude of Chavez. If this is any indication of things to come, the Russians are probably in for another rocky relationship with Latin America, as complicated and unsatisfactory as the one they had with Cuba and Nicaragua decades ago.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; russiannavy; venezuela

1 posted on 12/18/2008 12:53:22 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I guess we don’t have to worry much about Russia yet. hehe


2 posted on 12/18/2008 12:55:46 PM PST by DonaldC
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The Venezuelan participation in the exercises was finally reduced to two frigates, F21 and F24, and the transport ship T81, since the other units were not seaworthy

LOL!!!
3 posted on 12/18/2008 12:56:36 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Resist the Obamination!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Mikalevitch’s Navy.


4 posted on 12/18/2008 1:00:20 PM PST by AU72
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Chavez tried to visit the ship “Admiral Chabanenko,” his bodyguards were not allowed to go aboard. A fistfight broke between the Russian sailors and the bodyguards

Ha Ha Ha!

5 posted on 12/18/2008 1:01:00 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The access of Chavez to the flagship Russian “Peter the Great” was not allowed. In retaliation, Chavez refused to receive Russian President Medvedev at his arrival ...

That went well. LOL!!

6 posted on 12/18/2008 1:02:12 PM PST by LiberConservative (That temperatures are actually falling now illustrates how fast the world is warming.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Highly amusing. Thanks.


7 posted on 12/18/2008 1:03:16 PM PST by TheWasteLand
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Chavez knows jack about military protocol.

I am still laughing


8 posted on 12/18/2008 1:04:29 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

MERRY CHRISTMAS IVAN.


9 posted on 12/18/2008 1:04:47 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Charlie Foxtrot.


10 posted on 12/18/2008 1:05:58 PM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well if this isn’t an episode for keystone cops, then I guess they could always rerun the great Venezuelan socialist society story.

In Valenzuela, inflation is running at about 50%, the oil company is passing out weekly milk rations of two quarts — Venezuela if you recall is where all the US Socialist Democrats went on their Hugo boot-licking trips in the last few years. Venezuela is the Democrats template for success.


11 posted on 12/18/2008 1:07:28 PM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

Sounds like McHale’s Navy!


12 posted on 12/18/2008 1:08:18 PM PST by pctech
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To: DonaldC
I guess we don’t have to worry much about Russia yet. hehe

You're right! A squiddy friend of mine tells me "we had firing solutions on the Russians from the time they cleared the bar at Murmansk until they were alongside or anchored at Caracas."

He also said the Russians were only escorted by two attack boats which was unusual because back in the day that kind of task force would have had layers of nuc boats running ahead of the fleet to clear the seas for them.

13 posted on 12/18/2008 1:08:46 PM PST by MahatmaGandu (Remember, remember, the twenty-sixth of November.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The most unsurprising story of the year.


14 posted on 12/18/2008 1:11:22 PM PST by denydenydeny ("Banish Merry Christmas. Get ready for Mad Max.."-Daniel Henninger)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This is the best news I have heard all year.

Makes me hopeful that Chingalera head wont get ICBM’s

Stoopid pompous bastard


15 posted on 12/18/2008 1:11:53 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: LiberConservative

So let me see if I’ve got this straight...

Russian would not let Cuban translators on the ship in Venezuela.

The next stop is a courtesy visit to Havana.

Ya don’t suppose their trying to pull a fast one on both countries do you?

Naaaaaah!


16 posted on 12/18/2008 1:13:12 PM PST by null and void (Hey 0bama? There will be a pop quiz every day for the next four years...miss a question, people die.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I would not laugh too hard considering we are starting the Obama years.


17 posted on 12/18/2008 1:13:15 PM PST by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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To: AU72
Mikalevitch’s Navy.

OK, I'm laughing hard :-)

18 posted on 12/18/2008 1:13:47 PM PST by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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To: mylife

“Chinga’d’era”


19 posted on 12/18/2008 1:14:48 PM PST by unkus
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To: unkus

pardin my spanglish


20 posted on 12/18/2008 1:15:42 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Company Ten Hut!
Dismissed
21 posted on 12/18/2008 1:16:38 PM PST by DeaconRed (Am I the only one mad as HELL? The people who caused our financial mess are getting away FREE! ! !)
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To: mylife

No problema, amigo.


22 posted on 12/18/2008 1:17:47 PM PST by unkus
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To: All

wish I had been in on the brawl L0L


23 posted on 12/18/2008 1:21:49 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
wish I had been in on the brawl L0L

Which side?

24 posted on 12/18/2008 1:22:25 PM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

In my opinion the real reasons Ivan visited Chavez was a tit for tat because of our “intrusion” into their sphere of influence in Eastern Europe. Our courting of Poland, etc and positioning ABMs there to protect from Mid Eastern (Iranian) threats rendered Moscow’s Mutually Assured Destruction defense policies neutered. Now they have to develop their own ABMs with a defensive posture rather than depending upon a decades old defense through offense policy.


25 posted on 12/18/2008 1:23:39 PM PST by vigilence
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The wacko, Chavez, is someone that no one actually wants around... LOL..


26 posted on 12/18/2008 1:25:45 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Travis T. OJustice

Oh.. in this instance I would have to be punching with Ivan. not that I admire their politics.

The Bear was an admirable foe. Chavez is a small change doofus with a heavy hand


27 posted on 12/18/2008 1:27:06 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: MahatmaGandu

You ‘squiddy friend’ was telling you the truth.


28 posted on 12/18/2008 1:29:02 PM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: mylife

IN some respects ‘admirable’ does apply. That said, after running into a few Russian navy types ‘along the way’ I felt more than a bit sorry for them.

Thirteen bucks a month...even cabbies in third world countries looked down on them, refused to pick them up. No tips from that crowd, for the obvious reason.

Given the system they were under, its amazing what they accomplished in the march from Moscow’s gates to Berlin in WWII.


29 posted on 12/18/2008 1:31:41 PM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The access of Chavez to the flagship Russian “Peter the Great” was not allowed. In retaliation, Chavez refused to receive Russian President Medvedev at his arrival, sending his colorless vice president Ramon Carrizales instead. Medvedev was reportedly not amused, but his visit had objectives to fulfill that were more important than his irritation at Chavez’s faulty protocol. Twenty-three agreements were signed, including the creation of a joint Russian-Venezuelan bank with $4 billion initial capital, direct flights Caracas-Moscow, a new aluminum smelter, Russian participation in the Venezuelan oil and gas sectors and the possible development of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes.

It is a sad state of affairs when the tin-plated dictator of Venezuela has a greater grasp of the realities of international diplomacy than the President-Elect of the United States.

Note that this state visit had preconditions, with 23 agreements to be signed. The visit could not have gone worse, but the important thing was that the pre-negotiated agreements were finalized. This is the way adults handle their affairs in the Real World.

Compare this to the magical thinking of our President-Elect's, where preconditions and negotiated agreements are irrelevant, and the only thing that matters is that leaders sit down face-to-face to talk frankly about their problems.

30 posted on 12/18/2008 1:34:08 PM PST by gridlock (QUESTION AUTHORITY)
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To: Badeye

“I felt more than a bit sorry for them.

Thirteen bucks a month...”

Imagine Hugo’s navy

One thing russia had going for it was the idea of nationalism. Yeah I felt sorry for the rotters too, but they were very regimental.

India’s Navy is doing great things


31 posted on 12/18/2008 1:35:56 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

‘India’s Navy is doing great things’

Yes they are.

That said, as we saw off of Somalia a couple of weeks back, ‘target analysis’ could use some work in the Indian Navy.


32 posted on 12/18/2008 1:37:17 PM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I think they sailed to Venezuela so that the warm Carribean seas would rust out their ships faster.

Say, how about a live electical cable laid on the bottom of their harbor?


33 posted on 12/18/2008 1:38:33 PM PST by texmexis best (uency)
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To: Badeye

They are just getting started.

But then so is China


34 posted on 12/18/2008 1:39:17 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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35 posted on 12/18/2008 1:39:17 PM PST by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Great report. Thanks for posting. Africa and Latin America are Tar Babies so the Chicoms and Russians can cozy up all they want. They’ll get nothing but trouble for all of their wasted efforts and money.


36 posted on 12/18/2008 1:48:04 PM PST by DogBarkTree (Sometimes you have to let it go in order to get a Grip.)
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To: pctech
Sounds like McHale’s Navy!

McHale's Navy wasn't much on protocol. Yet, when the chips were down, the crew was always more than competent. Never mind that their most potent weapons were Mr. Parker and "Jolly" Wally who kept the Nips rolling on the decks of those submarines (and the rest of us on our living room floors) nearly dying from the mirth.

37 posted on 12/18/2008 1:54:28 PM PST by stevem
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To: Tailgunner Joe


ARV Mariscal Sucre (F-21) and ARV Almirante Brión (F-22) were upgraded by Ingalls Shipbuilding (Pascagoula, Mississippi) over a four years period (1998–2002). Modifications have included:

* Fitting of Elbit NTCS 2000 combat management system
* Fitting of Elta EL/M-2238 Single Face STAR 3D air/surface radar
* Fitting of Northrop Grumman 21 HS-7 hull sonar
* Fitting of Elisra NS-9003 ESM system
* Fitting of Elisra NS-9005 ECM system
* Replacement of 2 GMT A230-20M diesel engines with 2 MTU 20V 1163.


The other ships in Venezuelan service are expected to undergo an austere version of this upgrade.

--------- Snip

We seem to make a habit of training, arming and refitting our enemies.

I actually sold medical equipment to the Venezuelan Navy for this ship. It was before I was aware of the politics there.

My nephews worked on the refit. They told me these ships were the filthiest, worst maintained they had ever seen.
38 posted on 12/18/2008 1:56:17 PM PST by Islander7 (This Atlas is shrugging! ~ I am Joe!)
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To: texmexis best
I think they sailed to Venezuela so that the warm Carribean seas would rust out their ships faster.

"Remember the Peter the Great!"

39 posted on 12/18/2008 2:09:56 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Islander7

Russia and Venezuela have probably screwed the pooch with Western oil companies too. They fired, stole the assets or reneg on deals when oils prices were sky high. Now that prices are down - they will not have the capital or expertise to maintain their wells properly. My guess is their oil production will keep dropping.


40 posted on 12/18/2008 2:11:53 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: Tarpon
"In Valenzuela, inflation is running at about 50%..."

He's gaining weight again?

:-)

41 posted on 12/18/2008 2:34:38 PM PST by Hunton Peck (Does the President Elect have any friends at all who are *not* psychopaths?)
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To: Frantzie

“...Russia and Venezuela have probably screwed the pooch with Western oil companies too...”

I hope so. We have corporations that have no loyalty to the USA. These globalists need to be exposed and expunged from American business.


42 posted on 12/18/2008 3:41:49 PM PST by Islander7 (This Atlas is shrugging! ~ I am Joe!)
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To: stevem

Sgt Bilko?


43 posted on 12/18/2008 6:05:16 PM PST by pctech
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The new axis.

I bet Russia will be supplying revolutionaries with, well, supplies.


44 posted on 12/19/2008 12:12:09 AM PST by Fichori (I believe in a Woman's right to choose, even if she hasn't been born yet.)
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