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Mom Denied Cell Phone - For Being a Mom (w/Poll)
Parent Dish ^ | December, 18, 2008 | Roger Sinasohn

Posted on 12/20/2008 11:58:19 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Butcher, baker, candlestick maker -- all noble professions, indeed. Stay-at-home Mom? Well, get a real job. At least, that's what one Australian mom was told when she went to buy a cell phone. Lyndal Fair, a thirty-six-year-old mother of three, wanted to purchase a mobile phone, presumably to keep track of her brood, to call their schools and doctors and to be available in an emergency. Not good enough, said Vodafone -- they don't sell phones to moms.

In fact, the store employees suggested she get her husband to purchase the phone under his name for her. Sound familiar? "I couldn't believe it. It was like being back in the '50s," said Mrs. Fair. "Being a mum is a full-time job and it's a very hard job - the hardest job you can have - because if you get it wrong, the ramifications for everyone are enormous," she added.

A Vodafone spokesman confirmed that the policy does not belong to just one rogue store but to the company as a whole, adding that getting a man to purchase the phone was the easiest solution. The policy is not meant to target moms alone, but anyone the company feels may not be able to afford a phone. "It's not an ideal situation. We're trying to fix it," said Greg Spears, the company spokesman.

I would definitely say this is something the company ought to address. If you ask me, however, the quickest solution is not to have a man buy the phone but to just put down something like "Moms against Vodafone" as the company name.

POLL

Should motherhood count as a job?

No - They drop the kids off at school and goof off the rest of the day

If you don't get paid, it's not a job

It's the company's right to decide who they want to do business with

It shouldn't matter how you make a living, just whether or not you can afford the phone

Motherhood is more work than any other job -- and more important too!


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: business; cellphones; discrimination; economy; gender; motherhood; telecommunications
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1 posted on 12/20/2008 11:58:20 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My wife would have gone over the counter and kicked the salespersons rear end. Then taken a phone.
Have your husband do it for ya little lady just wouldn’t cut it.


2 posted on 12/20/2008 12:01:30 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m guessing here, are there laws and regulations in Australia that make it extremely hard for a service provider to simply cut off cell phone service to deadbeat customers?

Try renting an apartment in a jurisdiction awash in “tenant’s rights” laws. You have to practically give a semen sample.


3 posted on 12/20/2008 12:02:40 PM PST by sinanju
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Try, just TRY to get a non-prepaid cellphone in THIS country if you have no job and crappy credit.

This is not misogyny folks.... just business.


4 posted on 12/20/2008 12:07:27 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

From the business point of view, you are asking for ‘unlimited’ credit when you buy a cell phone (unless you specifically purchase pre-paid minutes). It would appear that the cell phone company has a vested interest in knowing how you intend to pay back the ‘loan’ he is about to give you.

Depending upon the persons, a cell phone plan for a family can run from under $100/month to several thousand per month. If a housewife or stay-at-home mother has no income, and has chosen not to declare herself married; such that her credit is tied to her spouse’s - I see no other choice for the Cell phone provider.

If he gives cell phones to mothers, who have no income, no credit score and no verifiable means of income (because they have chosen not to marry, or legally establish a claim to the family income) - then they have to be fair and give similar plans to anyone who should come and ask for a cell phone - without regard to establishing their ability to pay either.

This means that people who do pay for thier plans, will now be forced to pay more to make up for those people with phones who chose not to pay their bills. And, if you are free to get a phone and someone else gets the bill - what’s to stop wide-spread abuse of this system?


5 posted on 12/20/2008 12:07:36 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Comments!!!!! Holy crap. If I paid my wife what she is worth as a stay at home mom, I couldn't afford to hire her. She not only takes care of my son, but she takes care of me. She keeps the house clean, she's a taxi driver for our son and his friends. She's a gourmet cook. (We've been married over 15 years and I have NEVER had a bad meal.) I remember back when I saw something on the Internet estimating how much moms should make. Like I said, I couldn't afford to pay her. For anyone saying it's not a job because she's not getting paid, is an idiot. Probably a liberal and a femi-nazi to boot. There will probably be over a 1000 posts about this article and I'm glad to have gotten in earlier on it. Thank 2ndDivisionVet for finding and posting this. I'm very interested in what different comments will be made.
6 posted on 12/20/2008 12:08:44 PM PST by antiunion person (Ban the Brady Law. Save the 2nd Amendment from the liberals)
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To: Joe Boucher
My wife would have gone over the counter and kicked the salespersons rear end. Then taken a phone.

If your wife is living on welfare, and she did that, jail should be her next stop...

7 posted on 12/20/2008 12:10:34 PM PST by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Publius6961

Welfare? Hardly, still when we had little she wouldn’t put up with that kind of nonsense.
Have your husband get it for you little lady?


8 posted on 12/20/2008 12:12:37 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just a thought ... Why limit this to phones?

I want a new car/boat/airplane. I’m alledgely a mother, and have no verifiable income and no credit score.

If you deny me getting this, you are a bigot. If I don’t pay for it, you either go bankrupt, or you must charge those who can afford this item more to make up for my fraud.

What do you have in Blue?


9 posted on 12/20/2008 12:12:50 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I smell BS!

Whats the hidden agenda they are trying to promote?


10 posted on 12/20/2008 12:17:53 PM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Guess Mom has no means of making the payments. If she is going to use the husband’s income to qualify, he’s got to okay it. Finally something makes sense.

My wife didn’t work for years yet had stellar credit and had her choice of credit cards. She had double my limits. Yep, I paid the monthly bill. Seemed weird to me.


11 posted on 12/20/2008 12:18:19 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: antiunion person
Comments!!!!! Holy crap. If I paid my wife what she is worth as a stay at home mom, I couldn't afford to hire her.

Yeah, my wife's looking over my shoulder right now too. :)

I kid. My wife is as you described too. She does everything. She's like that woman in the Enjoli advertisement from the 70's. Of course, saying so makes me a sexist pig I guess.

12 posted on 12/20/2008 12:19:17 PM PST by Hazwaste (Feeling bitter and clingy since 1963.)
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To: Hodar
If he gives cell phones to mothers, who have no income, no credit score and no verifiable means of income (because they have chosen not to marry, or legally establish a claim to the family income) - then they have to be fair and give similar plans to anyone who should come and ask for a cell phone - without regard to establishing their ability to pay either.

Exactly!
This is the "entitlement mentality" writ large.

I will wait for the demand for a "free" large screen TV, justified by claiming that her unruly 8 bastards would get in trouble with the law if they didn't have entertainment at home to keep them semi-conscious.

Where does it end?

13 posted on 12/20/2008 12:20:12 PM PST by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s the company’s right to decide who they want to do business with.


14 posted on 12/20/2008 12:23:21 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Joe Boucher
Welfare? Hardly, still when we had little she wouldn’t put up with that kind of nonsense.
Have your husband get it for you little lady?

I am not commenting on your family, assuming you actually have one.

I am zeroing in on the fact that the story never mentions her complete status other than (presumed) housewife. There are housewives and there are breeders. I assume the lack of detail in the story serves a useful (moonbat) purpose. Like, how many sperm donors are involved?

15 posted on 12/20/2008 12:23:46 PM PST by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yea - we don’t have the whole story. Perhaps her credit was SHOT.

People need to learn that just because they can get $500,000 to buy a house without any verification of ability to pay does NOT mean that they’re entitled to a cell phone.

The difference. They guy who writes the loan sells it off to some sucker, who bundles it up with others and sells it to another sucker, who then sells it to a pension fund, which gets bailed out by ME. Whereas the cell phone company is stuck if they get a deadbeat.


16 posted on 12/20/2008 12:26:33 PM PST by BobL
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, how do they know she is not able to purchase a phone?


17 posted on 12/20/2008 12:29:41 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Publius6961

> I will wait for the demand for a “free” large screen TV, justified by claiming that her unruly 8 bastards would get in trouble with the law if they didn’t have entertainment at home to keep them semi-conscious.

I believe that exact justification works in New Zealand for women on the Benefit who have children. Their hire-purchase costs will be covered.


18 posted on 12/20/2008 12:35:12 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No credit, no phone.

Very simple.

19 posted on 12/20/2008 12:35:43 PM PST by realdifferent1 (We've tried the soap box, jury box and ballot box. Only one box left and it's time to use it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
She really should get a paying job.

Would you extend credit to an unemployed person?

20 posted on 12/20/2008 12:41:04 PM PST by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Something sounds fishy here.

She could have bought a pre-paid package phone off the rack.


21 posted on 12/20/2008 12:44:06 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks allot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Hodar
I’m alledgely a mother, and have no verifiable income and no credit score.

Then you get zero credit. You personally haven't the means to pay the bill.

If you deny me getting this, you are a bigot.

No, I'm conducting business.

Would you extend a loan to an unemployed person?

22 posted on 12/20/2008 12:44:45 PM PST by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: sinanju
You have to practically give a semen sample.

You mean that is NOT required? Boy, me and that cute little real estate agent are going to have some words!

:)

23 posted on 12/20/2008 12:52:03 PM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If she’s a single mother with no paying job that’s one thing.

If she’s a mother with a husband that has a paying job it should be the family income that matters, not whether she has a “job” or not.

I’d do business somewhere else if it is the latter.


24 posted on 12/20/2008 12:57:49 PM PST by DB
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To: humblegunner

So lets see...

You wouldn’t conduct “business” with Mrs. Trump because she has “no job”...

Hmmm...

Oh, perhaps there are other factors to consider...


25 posted on 12/20/2008 1:00:45 PM PST by DB
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Comments?

Who in the hell are these pinheads to tell anyone that has the price of the phone that he or she or it can't have one? In the next place, I learned long ago not to send anyone away who wanted to leave money with me.

What the hell is vodaphone that they are so precious? And how long does it take for them to "try" to fix it??? Drop the stupid damned policy. Yesterday.

26 posted on 12/20/2008 1:01:02 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was not able to be on the mortgage because I did not have an outside job.


27 posted on 12/20/2008 1:03:53 PM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: Hazwaste
Of course, saying so makes me a sexist pig I guess.

Saying so makes you someone who is appreciative of his other half. More ought to be so. Men and women.

My wife was in a grocery store this morning. A delivery man was knelt down arranging his delivery on a shelf. He apologized for being in my wife's way. She said to him, "You're fine." He looked up at her and said, "I wish my wife would say that to me."

28 posted on 12/20/2008 1:07:38 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: dalereed
It’s the company’s right to decide who they want to do business with.

That's a very 19th-century attitude with which I agree completely.

29 posted on 12/20/2008 1:13:33 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Problem id'd, opinion keyed in...now, what will you DO about it?)
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To: DB
You wouldn’t conduct “business” with Mrs. Trump because she has “no job”..

Nope.

No income, no credit.

Do you think that whoring off of someone else's credit is a valid lifestyle?

I figure that makes one a whore or a bum, take your pick.

30 posted on 12/20/2008 1:16:13 PM PST by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: RobinOfKingston
Who in the hell are these pinheads to tell anyone that has the price of the phone that he or she or it can't have one?

Uh.. they are the pinheads who OWN the phones, Zippy.

That gives them the right to call the shots.

31 posted on 12/20/2008 1:20:05 PM PST by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: humblegunner

Nope.

No income, no credit.

Do you think that whoring off of someone else’s credit is a valid lifestyle?

I figure that makes one a whore or a bum, take your pick.


I would say it makes a family!

What about those little leachers who just want to go to kindergarten? Whats your policy on those freeloaders?


32 posted on 12/20/2008 1:24:32 PM PST by Sharrukin
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To: humblegunner

Well my income is my wife’s income. We are one. You know, that married thing...

You can run you business anyway you want, even foolishly...


33 posted on 12/20/2008 1:27:40 PM PST by DB
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To: Sharrukin

“What about those little leachers who just want to go to kindergarten?”What’s that got to do with a phone.

I don’t think any kid should have a phone unless they have a job and can qualify and pay for it themselves.


34 posted on 12/20/2008 1:29:51 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Sharrukin
I would say it makes a family!

So you think extending credit to unemployed people is a good idea?

Brilliant. Everyone has a family. That does not equal ability to pay bills.

35 posted on 12/20/2008 1:30:11 PM PST by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would use the term homemaker.


36 posted on 12/20/2008 1:32:35 PM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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To: DB
Well my income is my wife’s income. We are one.

So she sits around and sponges off of you? Wow.

Does she not have any skills? Unemployable?

You can run you business anyway you want, even foolishly...

Yeah, it's foolish to extend credit only to those who can pay.

Enjoy providing a free ride to the lazy & worthless.

37 posted on 12/20/2008 1:35:11 PM PST by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: humblegunner
Funny guy.

We have children, she home schools them, keeps the house, washes cloths, cooks meals, and virtually endless other things...

Hardly “sponging” off of me. This may be a strange concept to you but we work as a team to achieve our goals in life. We are more than the sum of our parts.

In most states the debts of one spouse are equally the responsibility of the other. So the ability to “pay” is a function of both, not either individual.

38 posted on 12/20/2008 1:47:18 PM PST by DB
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To: DB
We have children, she home schools them, keeps the house, washes cloths, cooks meals, and virtually endless other things...

All well and good.

It does not, however, entitle her to her own credit rating.

Suppose I authorized her a line of credit for a cell phone plan .

Tomorrow, you kick her out on the street. No skills, no job.

What then is my recourse in collecting the bill?

No paying job, no credit. Welcome to reality.

39 posted on 12/20/2008 1:57:36 PM PST by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: Chickensoup
I would use the term homemaker.

Or "unemployed".

No job, no credit. Step to the side and let a productive person apply.

40 posted on 12/20/2008 1:59:39 PM PST by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: DB
In addition to all the tasks mentioned, I make all the family's appointments and see that everyone gets to them.
I research vendors for any repairs, upgrades, maintenance to our home, them make sure they do the job and get paid.
A good wife is like a CEO. We run the business of our family. Many times I've said, “I need a wife” All of my female friends know just what I mean.
Hubby makes good money. I make sure it goes as far as it can. We make a good team.
When you shop for life insurance the agent always tells you to insure your stay at home mom wife. If she gets hit by a bus, you'll need lots of money to pay someone to do everything that she did.
41 posted on 12/20/2008 2:03:22 PM PST by Sunbunny
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To: humblegunner

If I’m married to her and I “kick her out on the street” I’m still liable for the bill. Any charges she runs up on credit cards etc is the same.

Only legal separation changes that.

Try again.


42 posted on 12/20/2008 2:05:23 PM PST by DB
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To: Sunbunny

You’ll get no argument from me.


43 posted on 12/20/2008 2:06:35 PM PST by DB
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is a large difference between a mom and a welfare mom. which are we talking about here?


45 posted on 12/20/2008 2:37:03 PM PST by B4Ranch (Veterans: "There is no expiration date on our oath, to protect America from all enemies, ...")
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To: humblegunner

You sir, are an idiot.


46 posted on 12/20/2008 2:58:21 PM PST by DB
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In any of the United States (doesn’t matter if we’re talking community property or common law) one member of a marital relationship has the right to contract on behalf of the couple under most circumstances. I presume the laws are different down under?


47 posted on 12/20/2008 3:02:08 PM PST by hunter112 (We seem to be on an excrement river in a Native American watercraft without a propulsion device.)
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To: DB; humblegunner
Actually, it would be in your wife's best interest to establish her own credit, in her own name in the event (God forbid) that something happened to you. The time to establish credit is when things are stable, not in a time of uproar.

Just 2 cents of advice......carry on with the interesting flamewar with HG

48 posted on 12/20/2008 3:03:14 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: RGSpincich

“My wife didn’t work for years yet had stellar credit and had her choice of credit cards. She had double my limits. Yep, I paid the monthly bill. Seemed weird to me.”


“Hey, we got a woman here with no job but her husband pays the bills every month without question. How much credit do we want to extend to her?”

“All of it!”


49 posted on 12/20/2008 3:04:12 PM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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