Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Bleeding Heart Tightwads
The New York Times ^ | December 21, 2008 | NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

Posted on 12/21/2008 5:52:27 AM PST by Amelia

This holiday season is a time to examine who’s been naughty and who’s been nice, but I’m unhappy with my findings. The problem is this: We liberals are personally stingy.

Liberals show tremendous compassion in pushing for generous government spending to help the neediest people at home and abroad. Yet when it comes to individual contributions to charitable causes, liberals are cheapskates.

Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, “Who Really Cares,” cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.

Other research has reached similar conclusions. The “generosity index” from the Catalogue for Philanthropy typically finds that red states are the most likely to give to nonprofits, while Northeastern states are least likely to do so.

The upshot is that Democrats, who speak passionately about the hungry and homeless, personally fork over less money to charity than Republicans — the ones who try to cut health insurance for children.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: charity; compassion; liberals
Interesting findings. Conservatives give more to churches, liberals give more to institutions that cater to the wealthy. Conservatives are also more likely to give time, give blood, etc., than liberals are. Also finds that gays are quite generous to charities.
1 posted on 12/21/2008 5:52:28 AM PST by Amelia
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Amelia
In other news:

The Sun Rises in the East

Bears Sh*t in the Woods

2 posted on 12/21/2008 5:56:48 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Amelia

It’s easy to give away OTHER people’s money.....is it any wonder Libs are gutless?


3 posted on 12/21/2008 5:57:08 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Amelia
If you subtracted from “liberal giving” the amounts “donated” to Foundations that they run and continue to live off “liberal giving” would be nonexistent.
4 posted on 12/21/2008 5:58:12 AM PST by wastoute
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: wastoute

Note Barack Obama’s “charitable” contributions to the Congressional Black Caucus!


5 posted on 12/21/2008 6:00:42 AM PST by Tax-chick ("And the rum is for all your good vices.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: WorkingClassFilth

One reason I posted it is because it’s research by liberals validating what we’ve always thought.


6 posted on 12/21/2008 6:01:10 AM PST by Amelia
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Amelia

I would include this:

Liberals donate more money in an attempt to gain power than they do to help the poor, needy and unfortunate among us.

That should tell you all you need to know about their true motives.


7 posted on 12/21/2008 6:03:11 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Amelia

Progressives are compassionate, but only with other people’s money.


8 posted on 12/21/2008 6:06:00 AM PST by LiberConservative (Stop climate change! I want a spring day, 70 degrees and sunny, 24/7 and 365)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tax-chick

Does Obama really count political contributions as charitable contributions?


9 posted on 12/21/2008 6:13:38 AM PST by fhayek
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Amelia

If you’re surprised and disappointed, Kristof, you’re even more a fool than I’d thought. Liberal equivalent of the Salvation Army? Ain’t none. Liberal Boy Scouts? Only in San Francisco, and they’re primarily engaged in scouting for more boys. Hell, the biggest charity in New York was the Democrat-donating Madoff Investment Securities LLC, hayna?


10 posted on 12/21/2008 6:17:10 AM PST by flowerplough ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: oblomov
Ping!

In light of our conversation on another thread: I wonder if liberals are less generous with their own contributions but because they figure they "give" through their taxes.

11 posted on 12/21/2008 6:17:20 AM PST by Alia
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LiberConservative
Progressives are compassionate, but only with other people’s money.

Yes, and it would have been far more honest for George W. Bush to run as a "Compassionate Progressive."

12 posted on 12/21/2008 6:18:27 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Gondring

oops... “to *have* run”


13 posted on 12/21/2008 6:18:59 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Amelia
Republicans — the ones who try to cut health insurance for children.

Always the dig.

14 posted on 12/21/2008 6:20:29 AM PST by McLynnan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Amelia

I suggest Freepers go to this author’s blog site and post a comment. No registration necessary.

http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/

I suggest you be respectful as it seems liberals cannot believe this study. Use it to tell them that conservatives are not uncaring, cold bastards.


15 posted on 12/21/2008 6:28:24 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Amelia
households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals.

That's because conservatives are all rich and can afford it, because they oppress and steal from liberals.

/insane liberal knee jerk reaction

16 posted on 12/21/2008 6:30:31 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Why do I find the Toyota "Saved by Zero" ads so ironic?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Amelia

fifteen or twenty five[I forgot which] cities with the worse poverty in the nation are all run by dems. They haven’t had a Republican administration since 1962. I wish I could find that study.


17 posted on 12/21/2008 6:36:31 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Amelia

The Bidens and the Obamas are walking examples of charitable stinginess

Two presumptious hypocrites

Now zerO is calling for everyone to do a “day of service” on the MLK birthday. They are clueless that tens of millions of American provide charity through service and giving- routinely


18 posted on 12/21/2008 6:37:18 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Amelia
The upshot is that Democrats, who speak passionately about the hungry and homeless, personally fork over less money to charity than Republicans — the ones who try to cut health insurance for children.

That's right - it's the intentions that really matter. Republicans want children to starve and die. The same old, tired demagoguery.

19 posted on 12/21/2008 6:37:18 AM PST by HondaCRF450
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hardastarboard
That's because conservatives are all rich and can afford it, because they oppress and steal from liberals.

Well, sure, that's what they'd have you believe. But, from the article:

Amazingly, the working poor, who have the least resources, somehow manage to be more generous as a percentage of income than the middle class.

Another liberal sacred cow bites the dust?

20 posted on 12/21/2008 6:44:10 AM PST by Amelia
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: rightwingextremist1776

Its the Wellstone Syndrome


21 posted on 12/21/2008 6:44:27 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Amelia

There was a brief flurry of news about this when Arthur Brooks’ book came out a couple years ago. Liberals don’t like to be reminded.


22 posted on 12/21/2008 6:46:24 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Amelia

Because all liberals require of themselves is the FEELINGS. Doesn’t matter if actions follow, they FEEL ‘correctly.’ And there is no self-discipline or real thinking of others, which is what truly giving of yourself requires. Then they can assuage their guilt by voting for idiots.


23 posted on 12/21/2008 6:47:16 AM PST by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Gondring
Yes, and it would have been far more honest for George W. Bush to (have) run as a "Compassionate Progressive."

Yes. He's been pretty good at "spreading the wealth" himself.

24 posted on 12/21/2008 7:01:38 AM PST by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Erik Latranyi
I suggest Freepers go to this author’s blog site and post a comment. No registration necessary. http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/ I suggest you be respectful as it seems liberals cannot believe this study. Use it to tell them that conservatives are not uncaring, cold bastards.

Great idea! The comments on the site are quite interesting, and the liberals who are commenting are rather outraged by the article on the whole, it seems.

25 posted on 12/21/2008 7:10:57 AM PST by Amelia
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Amelia
The comments on the site are quite interesting, and the liberals who are commenting are rather outraged by the article on the whole, it seems.

Some liberals are seeing the light. They want to find ways to deny it, but they are becoming convinced that conservatives do not hate the poor at all.

We must all work on this perception.

26 posted on 12/21/2008 7:24:52 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Amelia
"It’s true that religion is the essential reason conservatives give more, and religious liberals are as generous as religious conservatives. Among the stingiest of the stingy are secular conservatives."

So, liberals are more likely to be secular, and it's seculars who don't give as much. Makes sense.

27 posted on 12/21/2008 7:49:44 AM PST by Dick Holmes
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Amelia
I suggest you be respectful as it seems liberals cannot believe this study. Use it to tell them that conservatives are not uncaring, cold bastards.

yes be respectful but point how typical this is of liberal hypocrisy. Other historical examples to use: Anti-gun celebrities (Rosie) opposing the right to own a gun and then hiring armed body guards because they feel threatened ( I guess poor or middle class people who are threatened are SOL because they can't afford to hire an armed guard)or back in the 70s the pro-busing crowd who would turn arount to their kids to private, predominately white schools.

The issue Kristof points out is much bigger than who gives more to charity. Let's take a page out of the libs handbook. Don't limit your response to just the contents of Kiristofs article! Use is a platform to point out how inhertitantly hypocritical you have to be to be a liberal these days. Be respectful to the rules of civilized discourse but don't show respect to liberals in general because they don't dererve it. And oh yes, name names and give examples.

I'll see you there. This should be fun!

28 posted on 12/21/2008 7:57:52 AM PST by Sir_Humphrey (With Obama in the White House for the first time I am ashamed to be an American)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: fhayek

That’s what I saw in the articles when the Obama’s finally made some contributions, after a number of commentators had noticed how stingy they were. Something like $35,000 to the Congressional Black Caucus.


29 posted on 12/21/2008 8:19:45 AM PST by Tax-chick ("And the rum is for all your good vices.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Sir_Humphrey; Erik Latranyi

No new comments posted since 9:50 — everything since is apparently waiting to be approved.

Should be interesting to see what pops up when he gets back to it...


30 posted on 12/21/2008 8:34:28 AM PST by Amelia
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Amelia

They give other peoples money to make themselves feel better. Just look at the charity giving of Ohbummer, Biden, Gore, Clinton, etc. They are all skinflints.

Pray for W and Our Troops


31 posted on 12/21/2008 8:37:22 AM PST by bray (Gov Palin isn't corrupt enough for DC)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Amelia

I’m shocked, I tell ya!


32 posted on 12/21/2008 8:38:13 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Amelia
"No new comments posted since 9:50 — everything since is apparently waiting to be approved."

Yes, the libs won't like what some of us have posted, will they? Still, unless we use profanity, the paper will eventually publish our comments. Oh, wait--I forgot it's the Bush-Bashing rag, the one soon to go belly-up unless the pretender president-elect bails it out. I'll be crying if that happens.

Regards . . . Penny


33 posted on 12/21/2008 9:02:30 AM PST by Penny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: Amelia
In light of the Madoff catastrophe, there ought to be more discussion of Vanity Charities. These are charitable remainder trusts that rich narcissists create. They get to deduct from their personal fortunes the principal costs of the foundation, but get to collect on the profits of the investment. All they have to do every year is donate 5% to another non-profit. Maybe Sol's friend Mo's Meddling and General Busybodies for the Interference in Elections Foundation. Maybe Mo even returns the favor to Sol's Promotion of Carbon Credits Charitable Remainder Trust.

Any study today about charitable giving is meaningless without factoring in the cynical vanities of the liberal foundations. The Gates, Buffett--how real are their charities? Any hungrey get fed, any souls ministered to, any sick get healed?

34 posted on 12/21/2008 9:03:43 AM PST by Mamzelle (Boycott Peggy Swoonin')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Amelia

Barry raps to the crowd: “You down with O.P.P.?”

DimoLib crowd in unison: “Yeah you know me!”


35 posted on 12/21/2008 9:03:52 AM PST by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Amelia

Thanks for the article! Tithing (and then some) is probably more understood, let alone more supported, by conservatives.


36 posted on 12/21/2008 9:28:47 AM PST by hypocritter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Amelia
cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals.
Yet we still have time to cling to Bibles and money to buy 365 Gazillion Guns.

Top that liberals!

37 posted on 12/21/2008 10:21:55 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Erik Latranyi

I posted but read the comments. They are all a personal discussion of Kristol. No substance, its like they didn’t even read the article. What shallow twits.


38 posted on 12/21/2008 10:32:58 AM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: sgtyork
I posted but read the comments. They are all a personal discussion of Kristol. No substance, its like they didn’t even read the article. What shallow twits.

If you read between the lines, you can see how so many liberals simply cannot believe this "truth" that flies in the face of everything they have been told about conservatives over the years.

This is an opportunity to cast doubt in their hearts and minds.

39 posted on 12/21/2008 10:38:17 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Amelia

Liberals are more likely to give to environmental (Greenpeace) and animal (PETA) charities. They are far less likely to give to the local food shelf.


40 posted on 12/21/2008 10:49:28 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Alia
Thanks for the ping.

The Brooks study Kristof references in his article has similar conclusions as Peter Schweizer's excellent book, Makers and Takers. Schweizer contends that left-wing, pro-welfare state public policy leads to an infantilized citizenry that is self-centered and hedonistic rather than productive and conscientious about personal responsibility to others. Schweizer presents survey data that shows that liberals generally expect other people or the government to take care of people in need (even a family member), rather than believing that they have some responsibility to help.

Schweizer implies that because liberals have less self-control and are more conceited, they project these attributes on to others, and so they advocate policy that is designed to restrain the base instincts that are most prominent in themselves.

I think this may be true in general, but I do know some liberals who have a very strong sense of personal responsibility, and are highly productive and conscientious, but they assume everyone else is a selfish child who needs the firm hand of the state to keep them from hurting themselves or others at every turn.

Either way, it is a type of misanthropy that I find abhorrent. Rather than inspire people to become better, it seems to inspire them to become worse.

41 posted on 12/21/2008 1:11:12 PM PST by oblomov (Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods. - Mencken)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: oblomov
I don't know that I can add to your superb post. And thank you for the book commend "Makers and Takers" (Schweizer).

I cannot argue with a single point in your post; and I concur with yours in re "but they [liberals] assume everyone else is a selfish child" and Mrs. Schweizer' "liberals have less self-control and are more conceited, they project these attributes on to others".

Merry Christmas, Oblomov!

42 posted on 12/21/2008 4:29:05 PM PST by Alia
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Mamzelle

***CA: Union-founded nonprofit spent zero on its charitable purpose in two years (SEIU)***

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-union13-2008dec13,0,6257988.story?track=rss

A nonprofit organization founded by California’s largest union local reported spending nothing on its charitable purpose — to develop housing for low-income workers — during at least two of the four years it has been operating, federal records show.


43 posted on 12/22/2008 10:40:22 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Amelia

I noticed that many of the negative comments at Kristof’s website were posted by Liberals who did not seem to read all of the op-ed.

If they had read all of Kristof’s column they would have known that many of the “facts” in their counter-arguments were already disproved by Brooks.

Brooks did a wonderful job of anticipating what the deniers would say.


44 posted on 12/23/2008 4:56:05 AM PST by syriacus (OBAMA'S CHOICE ----> is to leave a newborn's fate in the hands of 2 people who wanted to kill her.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: syriacus

I noticed the same. It was as if they read the first 3 paragraphs, but not the rest of the article.

There *were* quite a few comments, though. I rather liked being able to engage the liberals on their own turf, but I wish the format allowed for more discussion.


45 posted on 12/23/2008 8:34:26 AM PST by Amelia
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson