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U.S. Government social engineering at its finest.
1 posted on 12/21/2008 10:33:44 AM PST by rabscuttle385
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2 posted on 12/21/2008 10:34:29 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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I just got a call from the RNC, asking for a donation. I told the kid on the phone to tell the RNC Chair that Bush’s bailout was the final straw. They were never getting another dime from me unless and until they began once again standing up for the free market.

The kid admitted he was hearing that a lot these days.


4 posted on 12/21/2008 10:37:44 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

5 posted on 12/21/2008 10:38:09 AM PST by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385

Marriage Penalty comes to mind.


6 posted on 12/21/2008 10:38:56 AM PST by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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Of COURSE it pays to play by the rules! You just haven’t been aware of what the REAL rules were...


10 posted on 12/21/2008 10:45:54 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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William Krystal wrote an article in the Weekly Standard (Beyond Bloom & Gloom) November 24th issue. A reader of the Weekly Standard Corresponded in the December 22 issue, Peter Skurkiss stated the following about the article and it is a most accurate statement: I agree with Kristol when he writes that the challenge for the GOP over the next four years will be “to figure out how to save capitalism from its own worst aspects and most damaging tendencies”. The answer is both simple and difficult. The simple part is observing that we, as a society, must be in accord with Judeo-Christian ethics for capitalism to survive. This is especially so for the elite. But when secularism is the de facto state religion, a Darwinian survival of the fittest philosophy prevails and poisons everything. This leads to uncontrolled greed. The difficulty comes in trying to figure out how to convert our elites to the faith that they, as a class, have long abandoned.
11 posted on 12/21/2008 10:48:08 AM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. - One of General Abram's men)
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To: rabscuttle385

I LOATHE the term “social engineering”

Engineering is, by definition, based on things that work.


14 posted on 12/21/2008 10:51:44 AM PST by null and void (Hindsight is 2020, foresight is 2012)
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Maybe in the short term there's some reward for bad behavior, but I believe that ultimately this won't be the case.

For example, in the past I'm sure that my own reputation was considered much less that Madoff's.

I bet it's not today. And a good reputation is a prerequisite for good opportunity.

The Madoff's of the world can have their ill-gotton gains - I'll stick with my reputation.

15 posted on 12/21/2008 10:52:31 AM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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It is too early to set up a mass meeting in Washington and drag out naked all the politicians. People are not ready at present. However, we can start thinking about it. How precisely do we move hundreds of thousands into DC? How to feed them etc. How do we deal with the rapid strike brigade the corrupt pols are bringing home to protect themselves? Lots of questions need answers. In short, people need to start thinking the unthinkable.


16 posted on 12/21/2008 10:53:26 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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What a badly written article. The author sets up Schiff then offers three dissenting views, two of which actually support his claims if you follow consistent logic. The other guy just offers ‘I think’ and ‘I believe’ with no backup.


17 posted on 12/21/2008 10:53:47 AM PST by ovrtaxt (It is better for civilization to be going down the drain than to be coming up it. ~Henry Allen)
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all those responsible people who have been biting the bullet and paying their mortgages, high interest rates and all, and haven’t been late, the govt. is basically giving the finger too. or people like me, who knew i couldn’t afford a house and have been renting.

it’s the same with the illegal immigrants. steal id, or use fake papers, given a get-out-of-jail-free pass. your ave. meth-head or criminal that happens to be a citizen and steals id or uses fake papers, you get time in jail.

i’m disgusted by it all.

unlike a lot of talking heads, homeowners share the responsibility for this mess. greediness all the way around.


18 posted on 12/21/2008 10:55:30 AM PST by machogirl (taglines are like shoes: if you're a gal, you can never have too many)
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Those who participate in the [SMP] program also must sign a form stating that they didn't deliberately default on their mortgage simply to qualify for the benefit.

Oooooooooh, a signed form!

I'm sure people who deliberately signed legal mortgage loan docs they knew they couldn't meet are really going to be intimidated by a "I swear I'll play by the rules this time" signed form.

20 posted on 12/21/2008 11:01:02 AM PST by Libertarian444
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I know someone who has only made 8 house payments in the last year. They are seriously waiting for the government to help them with their mortgage.

Yes poor behavior is always rewarded by government.


21 posted on 12/21/2008 11:01:38 AM PST by pennyfarmer (Shiite Muslim named Bob.)
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If a man can attain the Presidency, never having proven he is a natural born US Citizen,,,,should anyone else in our country give a damn about any rules? No.


23 posted on 12/21/2008 11:06:02 AM PST by TheConservativeParty ("A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not why the ship was built." by The First Gal of AK)
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Ah, but since the government makes up the rules as it goes along, it always plays by the rules. And we lose.


26 posted on 12/21/2008 11:13:06 AM PST by dr_who
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Peter Schiff is gaining respect and credibility, since he has been the voice crying in the wilderness, mocked and scorned for the last few years, as he predicted the future with great accuracy. The Ron Paul affiliation is of concern, but I am reading and studying Schiffs analysis. This debate video from 2 years ago is amazing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?aq=f&emb=0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideosearch%3Fq%3Dpeter+schiff+laffer&v=2wMAkpMa4-o


29 posted on 12/21/2008 11:21:38 AM PST by FormerACLUmember
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It doesn’t pay to play by the rules?

I could have told you that after years as a young adult trying to find a girl as a good guy.


30 posted on 12/21/2008 11:22:22 AM PST by chargers fan
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They aren't undermining me. Lord how I hate whiners!

The housing bubble made it impossible for me to buy when I relocated on my last job transfer, because prices were insane. I saw they were and refused to pay them. I saved instead. Now I am buying a nice house at a great price, only half its peak price a year and a half ago, and I am able to borrow for it a 5%.

Have some of my 401k investments dropped in price? Sure, which is fine by me because I don't need to sell them. I am saving more continually which means I am a net buyer, and lower prices benefit me, therefore. I won't be selling for decades, the only prices that matter a lot to me are the ones prevailing then, and I'd rather get to wherever that is on a lower curve than a higher one.

Some of the government's recent proposals make it marginally easier for me - house downpayment interest free loan for example. Most make no difference to me either way. I don't care if some of their actions hold prices a little higher, there are still more than enough reckless people forced to sell, for me to have my pick of properties at fair prices.

Stop whining. Sensible, self reliant people don't need your whining any more than they needed the bubble.

31 posted on 12/21/2008 11:25:56 AM PST by JasonC
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“Imagine what our society would become if we created moral rules not on the basis of their inherent rightness or wrongness but by how a lot of people actually behave,” he says. “By this line of reasoning, we would have to say that lying, cheating and stealing are ethically permissible or even laudable. This, of course, is ridiculous.”

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Ridiculous? Talk to Bill Clinton.


32 posted on 12/21/2008 12:04:12 PM PST by Wegotsarah.com (My amateur blog--www.wegotsarah.com)
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If I stop paying my rent for three months, can I get a rent reduction?


34 posted on 12/21/2008 12:44:38 PM PST by zeestephen
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Nuttin’ fine about a bunch of selfish elitists liberal crooks runnin’ the globermint. Tryin ‘ to replace their knowledge, wisdom, intelligence, and good intentions with the Holiness of God unwillingly to listen, read, study, accept, and do their best ti live by The Word.


42 posted on 12/21/2008 3:35:20 PM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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The government is sending out the wrong message by letting everyone involved in this financial folly -- lenders and borrowers alike -- escape the consequences of their actions, says Schiff.

That's because politicians want to be able to escape the consequences of their own actions when necessary, and can't afford to set any precedents that might come back to bite them. ;)

46 posted on 12/21/2008 9:42:22 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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...government policies are undermining people who behave well, while rewarding those who are irresponsible.

Think of it as "the democrat way".

48 posted on 12/22/2008 6:54:25 AM PST by GOPJ (Gun Control-:- like trying to control stray dogs by neutering veterinarians.- G. Jonas)
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To: rabscuttle385
My father once told me that despite what the comic books say, crime often pays very well in this life.

However, in the end, God judges us all. And what is it to gain the world but loose your soul?

52 posted on 12/22/2008 6:31:38 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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