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Hunters do bang-up job [anti-"people with guns", especially hunters loses his cookies]
Capital Times ^ | 12/20/2008 | Joel McNally

Posted on 12/21/2008 11:21:17 AM PST by SJackson

To make up for years of writing that tends to annoy people with guns, let me take this opportunity to congratulate Wisconsin's deer hunters on a job well done. For decades now, I've written one of the few columns in the state about deer hunting from the deer's point of view. And every year I receive a flood of communications from hunters informing me how totally ignorant I am.

What I fail to realize, they patiently explain, is the vital role in wildlife management hunters perform for deer when they go Up North to blow away Bambi's mother. If they didn't reduce the size of the deer herd, they say, there would be too many deer and not enough food for the deer to eat over the winter. Deer hunters just stay up nights worrying about deer nutrition and never once do those deer ever say, "Thank you."

Besides, hunters point out, think of all the human lives they save by reducing the number of collisions between automobiles and deer on northern Wisconsin roads. Not only that, but too many deer can be devastating to Wisconsin's beautiful, natural vegetation, not to mention lovely suburban landscaping. Consider the lilies of the field. They toil not and neither do they spin, but their brilliant raiment gets ripped to shreds by voracious deer.

Well, it turns out hunters have done such a bang-up job of controlling the deer population that this year's deer "harvest," as they like to call it, was the lowest since 1993. During the nine-day gun season, hunters killed 276,985 deer, down 66,782 from a year ago. That was a drop of nearly 20 percent, and in some far northern counties it was more than 30 percent.

Mission accomplished. The deer in Wisconsin are so well controlled that there are hardly any around to control at all. Hunters now say they can go for days without even seeing a deer. It saves a lot of ammo.

The incredible shrinking deer herd is even more impressive when you realize Wisconsin hunters are accomplishing it with fewer hunters every year. Back in 2004, a study by the Wisconsin Conservation Congress and other pro-hunting groups found that for every 100 hunters who stopped hunting -- because they stopped breathing, joined PETA or whatever -- only 53 new hunters replaced them. Kids today! All they want to do is sit around playing video games where they pretend to blow away prostitutes and other urban wildlife. But can you get one of them to get up off that couch to go Up North to actually kill something? No way.

Concern over the thinning herd of aging deer hunters led Republicans in the Legislature a few years back to try to lower the hunting age from 12 to 8. The idea was to develop a healthy blood lust in children before they got old enough to be distracted by other varieties of lust. Unfortunately, other legislators got scared off by the vision of armed 8-year-olds scampering around the woods with guns as long as they were. The proposal failed.

No problem. Those aging deer hunters, even with their fading eyesight, have wiped out so many deer over the years they can doze off in their tree stands -- as many of them are wont to do -- and never miss a thing.

Now it's time for state hunters to rest on their laurels. They should be toasting each other on a job of killing well done. Think of all the healthy meals they have assured for surviving deer families this Christmas. Think of the car repairs they have spared northern Wisconsinites in this troubled economy.

Instead, our selfless hunters always want to do more. A growing number are complaining to the Department of Natural Resources that there aren't nearly enough deer left for them to heroically manage. It turns out hunting is really boring when you actually have to hunt for the deer. Hunters are never ones to blame themselves. They do what hunters always do -- blame the DNR. Or blame other predatory animals, particularly wolves and bears.

Wolves are icons in Wisconsin. Their pictures appear on state license plates purchased by people who care about the environment. A federal judge in Washington, D.C., recently overturned an attempt by the Bush administration to remove wolves from the endangered species list. But do wolves appreciate the honored place they hold as a vanishing symbol of the wild and free? Heck no. They behave like a pack of wild animals. They kill deer willy-nilly, not to mention the occasional suburban pet named Fifi. And don't even ask about what bears do in the woods.

If the DNR expects hunters to continue doing their crack job of deer management, it needs to encourage overpopulation to make it more like shooting deer in a barrel.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Wisconsin
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1 posted on 12/21/2008 11:21:17 AM PST by SJackson
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To: Iowa Granny; Ladysmith; Diana in Wisconsin; JLO; sergeantdave; damncat; phantomworker; joesnuffy; ..

If you’d like to be on or off this Upper Midwest/outdoors/rural list please FR mail me. And ping me is you see articles of interest.


2 posted on 12/21/2008 11:22:31 AM PST by SJackson (The American people are wise in wanting change, 2 terms is plenty, Condi Rice)
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To: SJackson

First, hunters do have a tendency to constantly complain about their game management department.

Second, this author is clearly an anti-hunting tool and should be ignored.


3 posted on 12/21/2008 11:26:54 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: SJackson

Now that is one poorly written article. I hope the editor of that paper knows what a terrible job he/she has done.


4 posted on 12/21/2008 11:27:27 AM PST by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: Squantos; Eaker
Just doin' my part to help the poor buggers out.

Heading out in the morning to help 'em some more.

5 posted on 12/21/2008 11:27:49 AM PST by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: SJackson

Loses his cookies?


6 posted on 12/21/2008 11:29:55 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: SJackson
"To make up for years of writing that tends to annoy people with guns,..."

That would be all of the men among us, boyo Mick Nally. What happened to your "gun?" Did your animal worship deity tell you to get rid of it? ;-)


7 posted on 12/21/2008 11:32:10 AM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: SJackson

That’s one sarcastic, annoying article.


8 posted on 12/21/2008 11:32:24 AM PST by Gene Eric
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To: lefty-lie-spy

It’s a progressive paper, my guess the editor is pleased.


9 posted on 12/21/2008 11:33:18 AM PST by SJackson (The American people are wise in wanting change, 2 terms is plenty, Condi Rice)
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To: SJackson; Diana in Wisconsin; jazusamo; george76

“The deer in Wisconsin are so well controlled that there are hardly any around to control at all . . .”

This statement alone shows how ignorant this writer is about his subject.


10 posted on 12/21/2008 11:33:28 AM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: SJackson
It’s a progressive paper, my guess the editor is pleased.

That would explain it then - equal opportunity employment for the dumb...sad.
11 posted on 12/21/2008 11:35:34 AM PST by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: girlangler

You mean the deer are not overpopulated there? They used to be. This is also one of the states that wanted to legalize shooting cats.


12 posted on 12/21/2008 11:37:12 AM PST by Fawn (I want my bailout too!!!!)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Joel McNally has been fired from left-wing papers for being too much of a left-wing crank.

He’s an old, angry, bitter former hippy who has been attacking hunters for 40 years.


13 posted on 12/21/2008 11:37:30 AM PST by MediaMole
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To: lefty-lie-spy
This author would rather go after the hapless chickens, pigs, and cows who have no chance of escape, is that the deal?

Sarc/off

14 posted on 12/21/2008 11:38:31 AM PST by elk
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To: girlangler
“The deer in Wisconsin are so well controlled that there are hardly any around to control at all . . .”...This statement alone shows how ignorant this writer is about his subject.

18,000 accidents in 2007, 15% to 20% of the total, suggests you're right. Besides, if there aren't any deer, hunting them is no more a threat to the enviornment than mammoth hunting.

15 posted on 12/21/2008 11:40:00 AM PST by SJackson (The American people are wise in wanting change, 2 terms is plenty, Condi Rice)
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To: MediaMole
He’s an old, angry, bitter former hippy who has been attacking hunters for 40 years.

And having fun doing it!

16 posted on 12/21/2008 11:40:37 AM PST by SJackson (The American people are wise in wanting change, 2 terms is plenty, Condi Rice)
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To: SJackson

What a wasted read.


17 posted on 12/21/2008 11:44:10 AM PST by bobrlbob
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To: SJackson

The state legislature could grant a $50.00 bounty for this guys ears.


18 posted on 12/21/2008 11:44:44 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: SJackson

The Second Amendment was NEVER about hunting game.

It is there to repel enemies of the Constitution. The deer are purely incidental, and exist more for target practice than as s source of sustenance. It is not the trophy of the hunt, but the hunt itself, that is the objective of turning deer hunters loose in the woods. This is a real-life “video game”, in which there are real targets, live ammunition, and cautionary skills against accidentally shooting each other. The DNR, bless their little old bureaucratic souls, are merely the referees here. Many of them would just as soon do away with the guns too, and go for “bow season” only.

But if every third adult American male, and a goodly number of American females, were highly proficient with the use, care and feeding of firearms, and exercised these skills regularly, this would be a much more polite and law-abiding society.

Open carry permitted in all localities, and concealed carry permitted in transit, at work, and at sporting events.

Then muggers could not be sure which target may cause a very nasty turn of events for themselves.


19 posted on 12/21/2008 11:50:16 AM PST by alloysteel (Balkanization - perhaps one of the few remaining ways to preserve American ideals.)
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To: SJackson

This reads like a jr. high essay(all emotion and little substance)...he must be loads of fun at parties.


20 posted on 12/21/2008 11:51:06 AM PST by crazyhorse691 (Obama is Americas new Forrest Gump...but with an oversized ego and ears.)
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To: SJackson

Joel McNally

21 posted on 12/21/2008 11:53:59 AM PST by kcvl
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To: humblegunner

Very nice !


22 posted on 12/21/2008 12:00:56 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Straight Vermonter

He ain’t no Santa. No cookies ‘n milk for him!


23 posted on 12/21/2008 12:03:09 PM PST by wizr (Merry CHRISTmas to our "one Nation under God.")
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To: kcvl

Hey! Joel! Are you a vegan? A weedeater? Huh?


24 posted on 12/21/2008 12:03:34 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: girlangler; SJackson

This writer, and I use the term loosely, seems to try and cover his ignorance with sarcasm and even does a very poor job at that.


25 posted on 12/21/2008 12:03:59 PM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: SJackson

The author’s windshield needs to have an encounter with a deer. Preferably while going at least 55 mph. There is no reasoning with a leftist, see my tagline.


26 posted on 12/21/2008 12:06:48 PM PST by Fred Hayek (Leftism is a mental disorder)
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To: alloysteel; SJackson
---even though I spent most of the first twenty-four years of my life in Wisconsin, I can proudly state that I never purchased a copy of the Capital Times--
27 posted on 12/21/2008 12:09:15 PM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: SJackson

The author is seriously bad at math.


28 posted on 12/21/2008 12:09:36 PM PST by patton (T)
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To: SJackson

I disagree with this guy’s point of view, but he has a clever way with words, and if you agreed with him you would think it pretty funny.


29 posted on 12/21/2008 12:12:35 PM PST by Sicvee (Sicvee)
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To: SJackson

Tom clancy had the right idea about these idiots


30 posted on 12/21/2008 12:17:02 PM PST by Charlespg
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To: rellimpank
---even though I spent most of the first twenty-four years of my life in Wisconsin, I can proudly state that I never purchased a copy of the Capital Times--

I live in northern Ill., and if it were not for FR I never would have heard of it.

31 posted on 12/21/2008 12:19:56 PM PST by Seven plus One
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To: SJackson

Here’s to the day we begin hunting leftists!


32 posted on 12/21/2008 12:20:58 PM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: SJackson

Tell Joel how you feel, here..

jmcnally@wi.rr.com


33 posted on 12/21/2008 12:21:32 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: SJackson
For some reason, Joel seems to have her panties in a wad.

Maybe her boyfriend forgot to make her double tofu latte skinny enough?

34 posted on 12/21/2008 12:22:14 PM PST by Gritty (Shielding men from the effects of folly results in filling the world with fools - Herbert Spencer)
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To: SJackson

Off to one side about deer hunting, I’m wondering why nobody has taken to wide scale deer ranching? With some selective breeding, and a proper diet, I imagine the flavor of venison could be made a lot tastier, milder and tenderer.

Of course, the first question most people would ask is why? The answer is simple, to make a more popular market for venison. No reason people shouldn’t be able to get a venison burger or steak in most of the US, year around.

It should be one of the big, American meats, as popular as turkey. And the ranched venison would also increase the popularity of wild venison. This might be important as a source of livelihood for hunters in the future.


35 posted on 12/21/2008 12:22:54 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: humblegunner

Sweet!


36 posted on 12/21/2008 12:25:43 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: humblegunner

Thanks for all you do. You haven’t seen Bambi’s FATHER around anywhere this season, have you?


37 posted on 12/21/2008 12:31:26 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Off to one side about deer hunting, I’m wondering why nobody has taken to wide scale deer ranching?

They do, you can buy venison, but venison is expensive. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe by weight, deer produce 40-45% meat, vs cattle and bison that are up in te 80% range. They're skinny, bony animals. And even bison really never has found a niche.

38 posted on 12/21/2008 12:31:49 PM PST by SJackson (The American people are wise in wanting change, 2 terms is plenty, Condi Rice)
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To: ExtremeUnction
Tell Joel how you feel, here..

I'd like to differ here. We have a local AP outlet here, a piece of crap called the Daily Herald. Their exeedingly stupid 'commentators' live for the pissed off responses. These supply the only real material they have. They edit them, then wave them around as evidence of how effective they are at 'speaking truth'. This 'writer' is small potatoes. Why help him out?

39 posted on 12/21/2008 12:33:12 PM PST by Seven plus One
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To: SJackson
Quite obviously the writer took this reduced killing number and concluded that deer has thinned out.
What he skipped however was this "cooling climate" making deer hunting just about impossible.
Stalking in knee high snow under extreme cold conditions changed the minds of so many hunters to just skip this year's hunting season.
Let's see what happens next year, or might it be that this writer then finds another reason for an increased harvest, namely see what abundant food supplies will do and how many more deer we could afford.
40 posted on 12/21/2008 12:38:34 PM PST by hermgem (Will Olmr)
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To: Seven plus One
--it has been epousing quasi-,psuedo or real Marxism for about seventy years, was kept going by one of those publishing agreements with the Wisconsin State Journal for some years, but a few months ago became an advertising insert and internet-only entity---
41 posted on 12/21/2008 12:49:31 PM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: IronJack
You haven’t seen Bambi’s FATHER around anywhere this season, have you?

Not yet, but I'll be looking for him all next week.

I'm not particular, I'm after his whole extended family.

It's a blood feud, going back a long time.

42 posted on 12/21/2008 12:51:56 PM PST by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: rabidralph
Sweet!

And tasty!

43 posted on 12/21/2008 12:53:51 PM PST by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: humblegunner

Happy hunting and stay safe!


44 posted on 12/21/2008 12:59:16 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: humblegunner

I’ve still got some of his uncle’s tenderloin in my freezer from last year. Ate the last of his great aunt this summer. Buddy of mine bagged his second cousin twice removed. I ain’t seen squat. And my days of parking my creaky old butt in a tree stand are just about over.


45 posted on 12/21/2008 1:03:19 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: SJackson

Idiot. If there’s a problem with the herd size, complain to the state wildlife office. They’re the ones who are supposed to be estimating herd size and giving out an appropriate number of tags. No responsible hunter would object to fewer tags being given out for that reason.

I guess he also doesn’t realize the good that the fees and taxes paid by hunters do for the wildlife in the state.


46 posted on 12/21/2008 1:04:39 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: crazyhorse691
This reads like a jr. high essay(all emotion and little substance)...he must be loads of fun at parties.

Exactly. I can't believe this harlequin dunderhead chump is actually published. It really does read like a junior high school essay. I reckon this slush pile article could rightfully live in the lost annals of National Lampoon. It is terrible, terrible writing, and I couldn't even get through the entire article. He must have been more smashed than myself and on a tighter deadline. :)
(yeah, I used the thesaurus this time because its funny)
47 posted on 12/21/2008 1:13:06 PM PST by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: humblegunner

“I’m not particular, I’m after his whole extended family.

It’s a blood feud, going back a long time.”

That is just plain funny.


48 posted on 12/21/2008 1:15:06 PM PST by Vendome
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Yeah, game on! There’s really nothing like a well prepared Elk or Deer steak, or especially jerky. Damn, I’m getting hungry again.


49 posted on 12/21/2008 1:16:06 PM PST by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: SJackson

I’ll send a stinky sock if you have a lump of coal for this brain dead Weenie...


50 posted on 12/21/2008 1:18:16 PM PST by tubebender (Retirement...The art and science of Killing time before it Kills you...)
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