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Democrats Going Wobbly on Card Check
Red State ^ | December 22, 2008 | Brian Faughnan

Posted on 12/22/2008 1:20:30 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative

What accounts for the sudden decline in the fortunes of America’s labor unions? Wasn’t it just a few weeks ago that labor leaders helped elect the most liberal chief executive in modern times? Even before he’s sworn in, the debates over the automaker bailout and Card Check are making clear that as important as the White House is, you can’t succeed if your policy goals are so unpopular that they have a hard time passing Congress.

We’ve seen how unpopular the UAW bailout is, and blackhedd today explains that the bailout debate may well dominate Barack Obama’s first 100 days. The unions may ultimately get the bailout they’re aiming for, but if they do it’s likely to require tens of thousands of job losses, and it may require Obama to spend a lot of political capital.

It seems that the effort to pass Card Check is running into similar trouble. Specifically, most Democrats seem to recognize that it’s not very popular, and they’re running from a difficult vote. Last week, Arkansas Senator Blanche Lincoln aired her doubts about Card Check. With a re-election campaign coming up in 2010, she seems uneasy about the prospect of defending a vote to eliminate the secret ballot for union organizing. But if Lincoln’s concern is her re-election bid in 2010, what explains the similar unease about Card Check from her home-state colleague Mark Pryor — who coasted to re-election unchallenged just 6 weeks ago?

(Excerpt) Read more at redstate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: cardcheck; efca; intimidation; labor; secretballot; uaw; unions; unionvote

1 posted on 12/22/2008 1:20:30 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Lincoln has some amnesty votes to content with too.


2 posted on 12/22/2008 1:22:04 PM PST by Sybeck1 (Million Minuteman March (Spring 2009))
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To: St. Louis Conservative

What is Card Check?


3 posted on 12/22/2008 1:26:00 PM PST by gitmo (I am the latte-sipping, NYT-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, PC, arrogant liberal. -BO)
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To: Sybeck1

hmmm... what major non-unionized company is headquartered in Arkansas.


4 posted on 12/22/2008 1:26:04 PM PST by delapaz
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Who was the Dem who came out against early?


5 posted on 12/22/2008 1:27:10 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Sybeck1

I can’t see either Arkansas senator supporting card check given that it is the home state of Wal-Mart. Arkansas is a right-to-work state and Wal-Mart is easily the most powerful business and political entity in that state.


6 posted on 12/22/2008 1:27:39 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

/Did a quick search I think it was McGovern.


7 posted on 12/22/2008 1:29:11 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

Blanche Lincoln (D-AR).


8 posted on 12/22/2008 1:29:13 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: gitmo
You vote in front of a mafia hit man. If you do not vote for the union you get hit.
9 posted on 12/22/2008 1:29:26 PM PST by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Oh ok...that too...I thought we had a thread a while back.


10 posted on 12/22/2008 1:30:17 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: gitmo

The “Employee Free Choice Act”. It eliminates the secret ballot for union elections and forces the company and labor unions into arbitration by the federal Dep of Labor if they don’t reach an agreement within 60 days (guess who that is going to benefit, especially with communist Hilda Solis as Labor Sec). It will basically allow unions to easily unionize business large and small all across the country.


11 posted on 12/22/2008 1:31:37 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: gitmo

It’s basically getting rid of the secret ballot in certifying unions.

If it passes then union thugs can say “Nice house and family you have. It would be a shame if anything happened to them. Are you going to sign that card?”


12 posted on 12/22/2008 1:33:16 PM PST by SeanOGuano
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To: gitmo
"What is Card Check? "

It's Communism 101....
13 posted on 12/22/2008 1:36:04 PM PST by FrankR (“Turtle up”, economically, for the duration of the 0bamanation.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Along with nationalized healthcare and cap-and-trade regulations, union card check will serve to drive a stake through the heart of the US economy.

We need to oppose this as passionately as we opposed the amnesty bill last year.

14 posted on 12/22/2008 1:36:35 PM PST by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: bassmaner

I certainly will. What about you?


15 posted on 12/22/2008 1:39:10 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative

My husbands mining machinery company voted out the union 4 times in the past 2 years. And they fought it hard. Many guys come to work for the company because it’s one of few in the mining industry that aren’t run by union thugs.

I’m fairly certain that if this act goes through, they will be the amongst the first victims to it.

They do PLENTY of business and get fair compensation for their hard work.

And his best friend works for a union construction company...guess where he is right now? Sitting on his butt playing video games because he’s been laid off since Thanksgiving. “Protecting the workers” my behind.


16 posted on 12/22/2008 1:41:13 PM PST by JenB987
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To: delapaz
hmmm... what major non-unionized company is headquartered in Arkansas.

I'll bite ... they're hated by the Left, they're the biggest target of the SEIU, and they've been known to close profitable stores before caving to unions. Also, they have exclusive rights to Bruce Springsteen's latest 'greatest hits' album.

Am I close?

17 posted on 12/22/2008 1:42:15 PM PST by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Shocked, Shocked that Democrats would not stand on principle!

Somebody please post the photo of Claude Rains!

18 posted on 12/22/2008 1:42:36 PM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I will too, along with the rest of the 0baminations coming our way.


19 posted on 12/22/2008 1:44:01 PM PST by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

This “bailout controversey” is one of the land mines that the Bush Administration is laying down for the nascent obama regime. Not intentionally, of course. This was just a hike back to the kicker and a punt on the fourth down.

The nascent obama regime will turn it into a land mine for themselves. They will fumble amd muff it up badly, as they will still be wanting to get the benefits back to UAW leadership, and in the process, will probably spell doom for Chrysler. GM and Ford will simply let their US operations die, closing plant after plant until they have no manufacturing presence remaining, just corporate headquarters, and those may be moved to Switzerland or another corporation-friendly venue. Both these corporations have healthy operations OUTSIDE the US, and will survive on their worldwide established presence.

This is going to get much worse before it gets better.


20 posted on 12/22/2008 1:45:19 PM PST by alloysteel (Balkanization - perhaps one of the few remaining ways to preserve American ideals.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
The “Employee Free Choice Act”.

Only the Dems can cook up an Orwellian phrase like that. I guess they thought it sounded better than the "Employee Intimidation Act" or "We'll Kill Your Family if You Don't Vote Our Way Act".

21 posted on 12/22/2008 1:47:07 PM PST by 6SJ7 (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Arkansas is one of the few conservative states that mainly produces yellow dog democrats.

I think you’re going to see a lot more votes change as the strategic situations changed.

Arlen Specter voted for card check knowing that it would lose in the senate. His vote may swing against it if his is the deciding vote. Many conservative democrats should be scared at their reelection prospects if Obama moves too far to the left. Many of the congressional democrats moves have polled incredibly badly in the last 2 years and the fact that George W. Bush is the face of the government is a big reason they haven’t suffered for it.

That will change under Obama.


22 posted on 12/22/2008 1:48:03 PM PST by DiogenesLaertius (.)
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To: gitmo

***What is Card Check?***

You are pressured to sign a union card requesting a secret ballot on unionizing. If over 50% of the employees sign you get to vote to unionize or not.

Many I know signed a card, then voted against unionizing.

With this new “card check” you sign the card and that is all that is needed. No secret vote necessary if over 50% sign.

Signing the card check is not done in secret but in public, namely in front of union thugs or company thugs.


23 posted on 12/22/2008 1:49:51 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (NEVER FORGET TREASON!)
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To: gitmo

“What is Card Check?”

A few more details.

Currently, union organizers have to get employees to sign a card asking for a vote on whether a company is to be unionized. Once a sufficient number of signatures are collected, the company has to have a vote. At majority of employees must vote for the union. The vote is secret.

The unions don’t like this because they often collect many more than a majority of cards but then lose the election in a landslide. The unions claim that this is unfair since it gives the companies an opportunity to ‘coerce’ the workers into voting agains the union. The unions also say that it is expensive and inefficient. The unions want a new law passed “card check” that would unionize a company once a majority sign the card without a secret ballot.

The problem with “card check” is the opportunities for coercion are abundant. Four or five union guys can show up at your house and refuse to leave until you sign. They can approach your wife at a parking lot and hint rather strongly that it might be a good idea for you to sign up. I’m sure you can imagine other scenarios.

All of these tactics have been reported under the current law and a lot of people will sign the card just to get rid of the union organizers knowing that they will then have the opportunity to vote against the union in private and in secret. Of course, the unions claim that while those tactics may have been used in a “few isolated instances” by “over-eager” unionizers, all of that is in the past and they certainly would “discourage” such activities in the future.


24 posted on 12/22/2008 1:56:33 PM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
You are pressured to sign a union card requesting a secret ballot on unionizing. If over 50% of the employees sign you get to vote to unionize or not.

Actually, it is 50% plus 1. Talk about a majority. (NOT)

Total intimidation. The new Union Thugs are "Change to Win" the group involved in the Blago scandal. They are trying to unionize CVS, and so far are getting their heads handed to them, but they have the lawyers on their said. They are suing to force CVS to open in neighborhoods it doesn't want too, and then they'll go in an unionize because the working conditions in those neighborhoods are rotten. It's complete intimidation.

I utterly loathe unions and the PHR (Professional Human Resource) certification I just took, had 22% of it's content dedicated to unions.

RS

25 posted on 12/22/2008 2:01:30 PM PST by RikaStrom (Bitter? who me? Nah, I'm just clinging to my guns!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

QUESTION::::
If arbitration is forced doesn’t that mean that there could be penalties for simply closing rather to even accept the arbitrator’s decision? Someone please elaborate on what a company’s options are when arbitration comes into play. Can a company even throw in the towel and fire everyone and close?


26 posted on 12/22/2008 2:03:33 PM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: Joan Kerrey

I’m not sure about that. I’d be willing to bet that the unions (who have written this bill, let’s be honest) have built in protections for this contingency.


27 posted on 12/22/2008 2:08:13 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: SeanOGuano

The ‘rats are simply afraid that people will notice how fascist they are. We just have to get the word out. They know it’s getting out, and they know that they’ll be exposed.

I’ve said all along, to defeat the left, expose the left. Their ideas are abhorrent to normal people, and they can only operate by deception.


28 posted on 12/22/2008 2:13:45 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Mikey_1962
Somebody please post the photo of Claude Rains!

Okay, here it is:

29 posted on 12/22/2008 2:14:05 PM PST by NurdlyPeon (Sarah Palin: Americas last, best hope for survival.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

company thugs, eh?

Haven’t heard of too many companies sending out Guido the Leg Breaker to influence your union vote.

However, pro-union goons? Yeah, heard of that - alot.


30 posted on 12/22/2008 2:15:49 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Wal Mart and Tyson Chicken, another non union company. Both with major ties to Hil and Bil. They wouldn’t want to see Obama placed between the rock and the hard place, or would they???


31 posted on 12/22/2008 2:24:25 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: St. Louis Conservative

We know he’s not going to abandon Don’t Ask Don’t Tell on day one.

Hard to imagine him actually doing anything of substance any time soon.

This is a person with no substance, no courage, and no principles.


32 posted on 12/22/2008 2:31:56 PM PST by Carley
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Wal Mart and Tyson Chicken, another non union company. Both with major ties to Hil and Bil. They wouldn’t want to see Obama placed between the rock and the hard place, or would they???


33 posted on 12/22/2008 2:34:16 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: St. Louis Conservative
her home-state colleague Mark Pryor — who coasted to re-election unchallenged just 6 weeks ago

Ugh, don't remind me. The Republicans not even fielding a candidate for a Senate race in a red state? It's hard to get more incompetent than that.

34 posted on 12/22/2008 2:34:45 PM PST by denydenydeny ("Banish Merry Christmas. Get ready for Mad Max.."-Daniel Henninger)
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To: MrB

***company thugs, eh?

Haven’t heard of too many companies sending out Guido the Leg Breaker to influence your union vote.***

When men at our company signed cards for a union vote the company sent letters TO THE WIVES forcasting gloom and doom if a union vote was held.
It terrified the wives causing some very pro union men to change sides. Others changed sides because of private individual meetings called by the PLANT MANAGER FROM HELL.

I remember one very pro union man who got called into a private meeting with THE PLANT MANAGER FROM HELL. When he came out fifteen minutes later he was shaking, sweating and swearing that NOTHING was ever going to make him vote union! We could not believe that he caved!

Thirty years later I still have that letter to the wives somewhere here at home.

The union won by one vote.


36 posted on 12/22/2008 3:10:43 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (NEVER FORGET TREASON!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

He very well could have been telling the truth, and THAT’S why the guy came out saying there’s no way that he’d vote for a union.

Unions are nothing but corrupt organizations that drag the economy and enforce stupid policy through thuggish behavior.

They’ve outlived their usefulness.


37 posted on 12/22/2008 3:35:37 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: St. Louis Conservative; gitmo

In other words, small businesses, partnerships, and LLCs will shut their doors before allowing a union in to steal half their profits.

I’ve already heard from two small manufacturers in Ohio that they plan to do just that. They don’t need the money and won’t be extorted to paying another failed corrupt organization when they are already paying taxes to government.


38 posted on 12/22/2008 4:01:43 PM PST by mabelkitty (What does Obama know, and when did he know it?)
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To: Mikey_1962; NurdlyPeon

39 posted on 12/22/2008 4:38:31 PM PST by Enterprise (No Presidency for illegal aliens from Kenya.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I’ve been physically intimidated by mobbed-up Union thugs - never by employer thugs. Maybe you’ve listened to too many folk songs about the thirties. Did you know that its almost 2009.


40 posted on 12/22/2008 6:43:54 PM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: sgtyork

**** Did you know that its almost 2009.***

Do you know that I have been a paid up member of the IBEW for the last thirty years? I was there at the beginning of the Union, I saw the problems from both sides.

We didn’t need union thugs, the PLANT MANAGER FROM HELL convinced us a union was needed, then the company resorted to such skulduggery as letters to the wives,private “talks” with pro union employees and other devious means.

We got the union in on MY vote, but the contract only after we hit the company with 250 violations (by the company) of the labor relations law.

The other place I was involved in a union fight was 1976 it New Mexico. I saw and was unimpressed with the union methods because we did have a fair company there. That union was turned down.

The union tried to get into a steel shop I worked at in Tulsa, Ok back in 1972. They failed. Again the union was not needed there. Oklahoma was at that time a closed shop state.


41 posted on 12/22/2008 10:40:26 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (NEVER FORGET TREASON!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

-—Do you know that I have been a paid up member of the IBEW for the last thirty years?

And you are proud of that? A compliant un-thinking lackey?

So did you threaten to beat people up?

How’s your pension doing?

The Ullico case is important because it involves the heads of some of the largest unions in the country improperly, if not illegally, enriching themselves at the expense of union members and retirees.

It’s also important because it illustrates the growing trend of union corruption involving pensions.

http://www.nlpc.org/olap/congress/020501.htm

Yet in 2006, the SEIU National Industry Pension Plan, a plan for the rank-and-file members, covering 100,787 workers, was 75% funded. That is, it had three-fourths of the money it needed to pay benefit obligations of workers and retirees.

http://www.poorandstupid.com/2008_07_06_chronArchive.asp

On Tuesday, state attorney general Eliot Spitzer announced a settlement with NYSUT that includes a union agreement to reform its pension practices and a modest fine for the union. From Mark Johnson’s Associated Press story:

http://www.knickerbockerblog.com/labor-issues/on-the-teachers-unions-pension.html

For years, the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) failed to protect the members of its Washington, D.C. affiliate. According to a March 2003 AFT publication, Washington Teachers Union president Barbara Bullock — along with a small group of co-conspirators — illegally diverted $5 million from the union between 1995 and 2002. That amounts to $1,000 per teacher stolen, laundered, or used for the personal expenses of union officials.

http://teachersunionsexposed.com/embezzlementexcess_scandal.cfm

Against all expectations, the corruption scandal at New York City’s largest municipal union could end up transforming the union into a more formidable adversary in coming contract negotiations with the city, labor experts say.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C05E1D9173CF933A15751C1A96E958260

Another Nabbed in Mob Controlled NY School Bus Union Scandal
Posted on January 30th, 2008
by Warner Todd Huston in All News
Read 981 times.

We’ve mentioned the little problem with the organized crime infested New York Transit Workers union Local 1181 a few times here on the Union Label. Well, we can report that another indictment in this growing and embarrassing scandal has been handed down.

Joseph Fazzia, owner of Jofaz Transportation was charged with making false statements to the FBI.

http://www.bloggernews.net/113472

Embezzlement, False Reports, Violence, And More
Most people don’t know just how many crimes are committed every year through which union officials hurt their own members. The number of reputed and verified crimes is staggering. Nothing illustrates this more clearly than the hundreds of indictments of union officials for violations of the Labor Management and Reporting Disclosure Act. According to the Office of Labor-Management Standards (OLMS), those crimes include “embezzlement, filing false reports, keeping false records, destruction of records, extortionate picketing and deprivation of rights by violence.”

http://www.unionfacts.com/articles/crimeFraud.cfm

United States Attorney Terrance P. Flynn announced today the unsealing of an 8-count Superseding Indictment, returned by a federal grand jury, charging 12 members of Operating Engineers Local 17, based in Hamburg , New York , with engaging in a violent scheme to extort jobs and compensation associated with those jobs from both local and out-of-town, businesses and their employees. The Superseding Indictment specifically accuses the defendants, including high-ranking officers of Local 17, with conspiracy to commit racketeering, and 7 counts of extortion, conspiracy to commit extortion, and attempted extortion. Charged in the Superseding Indictment were:

http://buffalo.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel08/extortion040808.htm

Laborers’ Union official indicted on conspiracy charge

07:28 AM EST on Tuesday, November 25, 2008

PROVIDENCE — A ranking official of the Laborers’ International Union of North America yesterday became the third person to face criminal charges in an ongoing investigation into kickback payments on a development in the city’s Olneyville neighborhood.

http://www.projo.com/news/content/LABORERS___ARREST_11-25-08_HUCD7C7_v14.3d4ff63.html

Former Employee of Florida Ironworkers Union Indicted For Embezzling $30,000 From Welfare Plan

Atlanta, Georgia - The former office manager of the Ironworkers Local Union No. 808 Joint Apprenticeship and Training Fund in Orlando, Florida, has been charged with 42 counts of embezzling approximately $30,000 in assets from the fund, based on an investigation conducted by the U.S. Department of Labor’s Employee Benefits Security Administration (EBSA).

http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/newsroom/pr1022a03.html

After a Decade of Clean-Up, Another Union Indictment
Back to the Mob
by Tom Robbins

Last Wednesday, exactly 10 years to the day after federal prosecutors filed a civil racketeering lawsuit aimed at ridding the powerful New York District Council of Carpenters of corruption, the union’s long and tortured relationship with organized crime was once again on public display.

http://www.thelaborers.net/newspapers/The%20Village%20Voice%20CityState%20Back%20to%20the%20Mob.htm


42 posted on 12/23/2008 5:40:05 AM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: sgtyork

***And you are proud of that? A compliant un-thinking lackey?****

I wish you had to work under THE PLANT MANAGER FROM HELL. Even the shift supervisors privatly encouraged a union while publicly opposing it. It was that bad!

Un-thinking lackey? I have NEVER voted for a political candidate backed by the union.

There are several other Freepers who worked under that MANAGER FROM HELL. They agree it was bad!


43 posted on 12/23/2008 7:28:58 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (NEVER FORGET TREASON!)
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To: sgtyork

***So did you threaten to beat people up?****

We never tried. The PLANT MANAGER FROM HELL was the best union organizer the company had. Without him the plant would still be non union.

How bad was he? Wehn he died we hoped he would be buried locally so we wouldn’t have to charter a bus to go all the way to Louisiana just to pi$$ on his grave.
Even his grandson became a union stewart.

How’s your pension doing?****

We have company pensions but never applied for union pensions. Didn’t want any.


44 posted on 12/23/2008 7:34:34 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (NEVER FORGET TREASON!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

How much do you pay in Union dues per month? Are you getting your money’s worth?

I have been non-Union for 30 yrs and haven’t paid one dime in dues and not missed them.

Pray for W, America and Our Troops


45 posted on 12/23/2008 7:39:35 AM PST by bray (Gov Palin isn't corrupt enough for DC)
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To: bray

***How much do you pay in Union dues per month? Are you getting your money’s worth?***
One hour’s pay per month. Yes, we got our money’s worth, a wall between the PLANT MANAGER FROM HELL and us.

***I have been non-Union for 30 yrs and haven’t paid one dime in dues and not missed them.***

I was non-union at my jobs before I got this one. never voted or signed cards, till I ran up against the PLANT MANAGER FROM HELL, and his little toady.

We gained NOTHING with our unionizing except protection from the PLANT MANAGER FROM HELL. That is all we wanted.


46 posted on 12/23/2008 9:50:56 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (NEVER FORGET TREASON!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Everybody has had the Boss from Hades, so what?? You think you need a union to stand up to him? The best thing that happened to me was that boss and getting fired. A month later I had a raise and the 2nd best job I ever had. If the boss is that bad go find another one.

Is that worth $1000/yr? You just think you need a union, too bad. They have brainwashed you into believing it is you against the company/manager. If your a good worker they need you worse than you think.

Pray for W and Our Troops


47 posted on 12/23/2008 10:23:35 AM PST by bray (Gov Palin isn't corrupt enough for DC)
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To: bray

***Everybody has had the Boss from Hades, so what?? ****

No they don’t. You have never met one like ours. His bad reputation was company wide encompasing three states. He HATED everyone. He just did not hate everyone equally.
Like I said, even his own grandson became a union steward to oppose him.

He was given our isolated plant 300 miles from the others to manage because everyone at the plants where he used to work hated him, including the higher management. Many who were to be transfered up here withdrew their applications when they found he would manage the plant. He even managed to insult many of the local people around here.

A few of the names for him...
Mr Wonderful.
The Mongloid m*****r.
Short man.
the psycho.
He was running this plant like a prison.

There are others instances when he insulted local people and higher management ordered him to apologize.

We even considered leaving the union contract as it was for several years if the company would remove this man from the plant. They didn’t. He had connections.

One of my religious friends almost took the step to kill this worthless piece of s**t but at the last moment figured the fall from the top just might not kill him.

My friend later said that he only hated two people in his entire life and the plant manager was one.

We made 4 times the minimum wage in an area where agricultural minimum wage was normal, yet we still had a 60% turnover. Three people I worked with walked out in one day because of THE PLANT MANAGER FROM HELL. Within four years we lost all our origional operators exept me, all the maintainance people but two, half the electricians and two chemists, all because of the plant manager.

The union prevented several men from being fired for no reason and it got several others reinstated. Several who were fired for no reason but decided no to come back received decent severance pay when the union filed suit.

The union refused to help others who deserved to be fired.

I just hope you never have to work for a person like that. You will get your eyes open real quick.


48 posted on 12/23/2008 11:17:56 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (NEVER FORGET TREASON!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Is it possible that taking away your right to a secret ballot is too unAmerican for even the Democrats?

Nope.

Must be some other reason because nothijng is too unAmerican for Democrats.


49 posted on 12/23/2008 11:22:10 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (It's no longer the Press Van, it's a "Tanker" Truck!)
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To: Doctor Raoul

At a plant I worked at years ago, we had 30 employees. Union organizers put pressure on them to vote union and got 16 people to sign cards. I did not sign a card.

When the vote was held the union got exactly 2 votes. 28 opposed.
With today’s Dem standards, when 16 people signed cards it would mean the company would be forced to recognize a union.

You don’t need a union unless the company is really bad!


50 posted on 12/23/2008 5:38:49 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (NEVER FORGET TREASON!)
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