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There go the "war crimes" trials the nutroots were clamoring for.
1 posted on 12/22/2008 8:59:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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As if they’ll ever be punished for anything.


2 posted on 12/22/2008 9:00:19 PM PST by Old Sarge (For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American)
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It’s been reported that something similar occured with the implementation of torture - Bush Administration officials developed the rationale and techniques and subsequently briefed key members of Congress, including high ranking Democrats. And either acquiescing or accepting, those Democrats chose to remain silent.

There’s plenty of reasons to doubt Mr. Cheney here. But those high ranking Congressional Democrats who were most likely briefed, including Speaker Pelosi, Rep. Harman, and Sen. Rockefeller, have a responsiblity to set the record straight. Were they complicit in the Bush Administration’s violation of the law?

http://www.examiner.com/x-243-Progressive-Politics-Examiner~y2008m12d22-Congressional-Democrats-complicit-in-illegal-surveillance


4 posted on 12/22/2008 9:09:30 PM PST by jessduntno (Barack - Kenyan for "High Wind, Big Thunder, No Rain")
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I’ll take Dick Cheney’s word over anything I’ve ever seen in Salon. He has more honor and love of country in his lower left incisor than Obama has in his entire wretched body.


9 posted on 12/22/2008 9:18:20 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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Coincidentally. I have been looking again at “The Winds of War.” which depicts FDR acting in plain violation of existing law. It would also not surprise me to learn that the FBI had a wiretap on every American with known connections with Germany. War aint beanbag.


10 posted on 12/22/2008 9:20:42 PM PST by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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"It is certainly true that Dick Cheney is not exactly the most scrupulously honest public servant around. In fact, he's almost certainly the opposite."

Prove it.

12 posted on 12/22/2008 9:28:11 PM PST by goodnesswins ("Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" said Hillary Clinton. I'll be REALLY patriotic!)
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"a blatantly illegal domestic spying program"

That's false.

A warrant is not required to tap the lines of an AQ operative in Afghanistan talking to another AQ operative in Saudi Arabia when the call happens to be switched through an American router.

That's not domestic spying. Neither of those dudes has rights under the constitution.

14 posted on 12/22/2008 9:40:10 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Women were treated like livestock by Mohammad, so Allah must want women treated like cows forever.)
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It is certainly true that Dick Cheney is not exactly the most scrupulously honest public servant around.

Says who? The writer of this column? He makes this statement without backing it up with any proof. It seems like more of the same from the libs, repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.

16 posted on 12/22/2008 9:51:45 PM PST by Major Matt Mason (You can't shame the shameless.)
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I have a real problem with warrantless surveillance of US citizens. GWB may have had the best of intentions in doing this, but it is one more brick in the road to oppression.

I noticed the Rat leaders were all for this illegal activity, so I can assume that they will continue this policy & perhaps expand it.

If I recall, the Rats don't regard Hamas or Hezbollah as terrorists, Mumia Abu Jamal does not deserve jail for killing a cop, & Code Pink & ACORN are patriotic organizations. Oh, & the gitmo slugs are not so much terrorists as just plain ol’ criminals who deserve all the benefits of our judicial system.

On the other hand, they believe US Marines are cold blooded murderers, as is the President, Christians are hatemongers, & Israel is a racist state, as are all white people. The heroes of the left - Castro, Chavez, Carter, Hollywood - have all identified GWB & the USA as being the real terrorists.

Seems to me that now that the Rats have the White House & Congress, the idea of who is or is not a terrorist might very well change. Those we consider patriots might be the next “terrorists”.

So, let us all hope the illegal surveillance continues! Right? The gov’t (especially the Rats) would never use this against political or ideological opponents! Right? It will ONLY be use to catch terrorists! Right?

But, just WHO is a terrorist in the eyes of Obama, Reid, & Pelosi? Hamas or Israel? Al Qaeda or the US Marines? A Christian or a queer?

Coming soon to a communication device near you!

18 posted on 12/22/2008 11:25:11 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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“UPDATE II: Via email, several very knowledgeable bloggers — including Marcy Wheeler and Christy Hardin Smith — are arguing, persuasively, that Cheney did not really disclose any specific new facts yesterday about Democratic complicity”

IOW, ‘nevermind’...


21 posted on 12/23/2008 2:26:13 AM PST by Kent C
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According to him, key Congressional Democrats were told about the illegal NSA spying program in detail... the patently inane claim that to discuss the fact that the administration was eavesdropping on our conversations without warrants ...

Oh brother.

First of all, it's not illegal. Secondly, the author seems to be claiming to be having telephone conversations with Al Qaeda since he refers to "eavesdropping on our conversations."

22 posted on 12/23/2008 2:44:13 AM PST by alnick
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Hey Glenn Greenwald.....Cheney IS the MOST HONEST politician....you just can;t handle the TRUTH!!!


29 posted on 12/23/2008 4:06:08 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience)
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If anybody has any doubts about what a war-time President can and can’t do, look no further than Abraham Lincoln; a) instituted a draft, b) created a state from counties that had SECEEDED - from Virginia; c) suspended the writ of habeus corpus;, etc.


31 posted on 12/23/2008 4:15:19 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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bump for later reading


36 posted on 12/23/2008 5:08:28 AM PST by blueplum
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Personally, I want the government to do surveillance, profiling and other common sense techniques to keep us terror free and I fail to see how any of this is illegal given the circumstances after 9/11. Moreover, anyone who thinks talking on a cell phone or even a cordless phone is a private conversation is supremely naive. Is talking on a CB radio a private conversation? Of course not. Anyone with a high quality scanner can listen to every word said.
37 posted on 12/23/2008 5:18:09 AM PST by GBA
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Really, this whole Greenwald harangue is horse plop.

In the first place - as has also always been true in the past - these 'war powers' are sunseted after a specific period of time; the Congress, and only the Congress, can extend these war-time practices.

What this dirty-diapered lib [Greenwald] needs is for al Qaeda to set off a fire cracker under his butt. Whatever you don't like about Bush, his administration has kept us safe from further attacks; if that were not true this jerk would be screaming for impeachment.

Such wire-tapping and other intel intercepts have been practiced by presidents certainly throughout the 20th century. LBJ did extensive wire-tapping of war protesters in the late 60's - and on. Robert Kennedy spied on MLK. Heck... Abraham Lincoln deported a congressman who disagreed with his policies [those apparently were the good ol' days.]

Besides, this idea of 'spying on American citizens' has the same smell as the above-mentioned horse effluvia! If these libs could just get themselves to admit an inconvenient truth, they would have to admit that almost all the telecom traffic in the world passes through American routers, servers and satellites. What they are effectively proposing is to make us blind. In the land of the blind the one-eye is king!

Clinton's Echelon and Carnivore practices were passed over by the great humanitarian Leftists... and what about Waco?

Always the Left is selective about what to criticize and what to keep silent about.

59 posted on 12/23/2008 8:35:52 AM PST by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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