Posted on 12/23/2008 5:28:09 AM PST by rhema
Liberals truly believe that their support for socialism fully satisfies their requirement for charity.
Yeah, they'll "heed" it by calling for more tax and spend policy.
I find that a minor quibble. You don’t even attempt to quantify the two sides. I am certain that the impulse to benefit our fellow men through our religious communities is 3-4 times larger than the immediate social factors you describe, especially for larger gifts.
Since you are willing to see the other hand, the other hand also is weighted by the fact that the most EFFECTIVE charities are religious. No charities approach the Salvation Army, Catholic Charities, Christian Disaster Relief...etc etc in the ratio of benefits provided to contributions.
I believe that I am obligated to give to charity, but not out of some sort of external "guilt."
I have to say that I'm not religious, and don't regularly attend a synagogue, though I do have a very strong belief in G-d, and I do consider myself Jewish. I just believe that I have an obligation as a human being to help those less fortunate. I take on that obligation freely, and without any outside prompting. But I won't hold anyone else to the same standard.
I also reject the call to try to convince others to do so as well. I am against government handouts, because it's simply stealing. And it gives people a reason to not give, where they might do so on their own. It relieves them of any personal responsibility. People should be allowed to give if they have a calling to do so, and not be held to ridicule or guilt. Unless they talk about how wonderful their government handouts are, and it turns out they actually give little or nothing of their own. Then they need to be mocked.
Mark
How can you “drop religious giving” from the charitible efforts of conservatives?
That’s like saying, if you drop George Soros-influenced donations from Barack Obama’s presidential campaign funding, he took in less money than McCain.
Libs live the title of a Danny DeVito movie, “Other Peoples’ Money”.
They need to be mocked... yes.
I bring their conscience to the fore with the statement:
“You DO realize that your support for socialism in no way satisfies your personal, individual moreal requirement to help the needy, don’t you?”
Re: “relieves them of any personal responsibility”
I’ve actually heard libs denounce charity because charitable organizations “let gov’t off the hook” for helping people like they should.
Many will; some won’t. Any movement toward moral, responsible behavior — whether it’s abortion, gay marriage, or whatever — gains traction one heart or conscience at a time.
I couldn't agree less. Christ followers give from the heart and from their blessings. Those who feel guilt, peer pressure or a requirement stop attending quickly after they start.
Salvation Army
Boy Scouts of America
Soldiers' Angels
Wounded Warrior
Sorry to burst Mr Kristof's bubble!
If churches stopped passing the plate, making giving/tithing a part of membership and having giving envelopes, church giving would drop dramatically.
You must be a secular conservative! Belonging to a church is a private activity. People can throw $1 into a plate. If they don’t want to donate they become unchurched.
Your opinion is content free!
I think Rush had this for his morning update the other day. KLBJ AM is talking about this today. Not many libs calling in today.
Here, yes. On the Daily Kos, it’d be akin to a revelation that the earth isn’t flat.
Got anything beside conjecture to back this up?
The highest cashflow church in our area has no "plate", just envelopes and the ability to take auto-tithing through electronic transfer.
Never mind.
I have looked at your other posts and I have no intention of being dragged into an inane argument with you this morning.
Bye now!
Well, there's your mistake, Brooksie. You people are so full of yourselves, you can't see the forest for the trees. But when it comes down to brass tacks, you're a bunch of hypocrites who talk a good game, but in the end want the government (i.e., we taxpayers) to pick up the tab for all of your silly programs.
Talk is cheap...anyone can claim to be kind, caring and for all humanity...However, putting your “money where your mouth is” and taking action for what you PREACH is what separates the true givers from the hypocrites.
I love the book of James especially these verses:
James 2:14-16 (NLT)
Dear brothers and sisters, what’s the use of saying you have faith if you don’t prove it by your actions? That kind of faith can’t save anyone. [15] Suppose you see a brother or sister who needs food or clothing, [16] and you say, “Well, good-bye and God bless you; stay warm and eat well”but then you don’t give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do?
Liberal? Sounds like it to me....with the exception of them saying “God Bless”!
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This verse I simply (just)like!
James 2:19-20 (NLT)
Do you still think it’s enough just to believe that there is one God? Well, even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror! [20] Fool! When will you ever learn that faith that does not result in good deeds is useless?
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Long story short, I work with a guy that came from Russia (Ukraine) and he said this is how communism started. The government made it sound as if they were for the people. Equality, fairness and political connectedness...which we all know means getting rid of anything to do with Jesus or God! Eventually the press reported what benefited their left agenda, people were brainwashed and became mindless puppets of the government. last, the government was their “god”.
Sad, very sad how people here buy into this same CRAP after seeing it happen in so many other countries!
This clown tries to pretend churches keep the $$ while in truth they are giving more to the poor and needy than their own buildings. He doesn’t mention that most liberal giving is to political causes. They give to causes that make the DNC more powerful since that is where their hearts are.
Pray for W, America and Our Troops
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