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Man Shoots Armed Robber In Oak Park, Illinois (Chicago suburb)
WBBM AM 780 Chicago ^ | December 22, 2008

Posted on 12/23/2008 7:44:03 AM PST by KeyLargo

Monday, 22 December 2008 1:04PM

Man Shoots Armed Robber In Oak Park

(OAK PARK, Ill.) Police are searching for a man who shot an armed robber after the man refused to give up his leather coat Sunday night at an Oak Park gas station.

The shooting happened about 11 p.m. at a gas station at North and Hayes avenues, in the northeast corner of Oak Park, according to Village of Oak Park Communications Director David Powers.

A man was putting gas in his car when he was approached by two other men who demanded his leather coat. The man in the coat refused, took out a handgun and shot one of the attempted robbers once in the mouth and once in his side before fleeing the scene, Powers said.

The injured man was taken to West Suburban Hospital in Oak Park for treatment of his gunshot wounds but was later transferred to John H. Stroger Hospital of Cook County. He had apparently lost several teeth and suffered injury to his tongue, Powers said. It was believed that his injuries were not life-threatening.

Police recovered a handgun from the scene but were unclear Monday morning whether the gun matched the one used in the shooting.

Two other men, believed to have been associated with the would-be robbers, were sitting in a nearby car during the shooting.

All four men were being questioned by police, Powers said.

No one has been charged in shooting as of Monday afternoon.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; crime; justice; resist; victim
This robbery victim most likely thought about the fate of the New York subway victim Bernie Goetz.

Some good movies to rent this weekend:

"Death Wish" "Man on Fire" "The Brave One" "Death Sentence" "Eye for an Eye" "Munich"


1 posted on 12/23/2008 7:44:04 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo
He had apparently lost several teeth and suffered injury to his tongue, Powers said. It was believed that his injuries were not life-threatening.

What did he use, an Air-soft gun?

2 posted on 12/23/2008 7:46:43 AM PST by laker_dad
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To: KeyLargo

Wow. Chicago. This HAS to hit “close to home” for our president-elect.

Do you think maybe “Lawyer” Obama will take time out from his busy schedule ruining our country and the rest of the world to PERSONALLY prosecute this guy for defending himself?


3 posted on 12/23/2008 7:47:34 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: KeyLargo
Hope his license plate was not caught on the gas stations video, but that is why they have them.
4 posted on 12/23/2008 7:47:37 AM PST by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: laker_dad

through and through both cheeks? too bad it wasn’t the other set.


5 posted on 12/23/2008 7:50:08 AM PST by NonValueAdded (once you get to really know people, there are always better reasons than [race] for despising them.)
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To: KeyLargo

Typical police. Chase after the victim and let the robbers go.


6 posted on 12/23/2008 7:52:57 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: KeyLargo
This robbery victim most likely thought about the fate of the New York subway victim Bernie Goetz.

If he is smart, he will go home and dispose of the handgun after applying a file to the barrel and breech.

And then he will never say a thing to anyone about it.

7 posted on 12/23/2008 7:54:27 AM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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To: KeyLargo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Goetz


8 posted on 12/23/2008 7:58:03 AM PST by SouthernmostFreeper (Change is all you will have left... Pocket Change)
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To: Cicero

And i’m sure the city of Oak Park will profusely apologize to the robber, and some court will kick in a huge settlement for his trouble.


9 posted on 12/23/2008 8:01:39 AM PST by Boiling Pots (The USA has become one huge pyramid scheme. Thanks George, John, Nancy and Harry.)
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To: Cicero
Brothers draw probation in attack on Marine Tuesday, December 23, 2008 | 8:53 AM

MARKHAM, Ill. -- Two brothers who reportedly tore off part of an off-duty Marine's ear in an attack outside an Oak Forest tavern have pleaded guilty to battery charges and have been sentenced to probation.

Police say Joshua and Jason Haack attacked Midlothian Marine Kevin Heath while he was on leave on April 5, battering his head, breaking his nose in five places and ripping off part of his right ear.

Twenty-two-year-old Joshua Haack of Oak Forest pleaded guilty to felony aggravated battery, and was sentenced to two years probation Monday.

Twenty-nine-year-old Jason Haack of Chicago Ridge pleaded guilty to misdemeanor battery and was sentenced to one year of conditional discharge.

Heath, who was in court in full uniform, said he needed surgery to reattach his ear but has made a full recovery.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6569659

I could imagine what would have happened to this Marine if he would have defended himself with deadly force. He would be sitting in Cook County, IL Jail as we speak. It reminds me of the movie "Con Air"

"Cameron Poe, an honorably discharged United States Army Ranger, is found guilty of manslaughter for killing a drunken man in a bar brawl while trying to defend his pregnant wife Tricia and sentenced to seven to ten years."

10 posted on 12/23/2008 8:06:05 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo
I guess this is kind of a silly question to ask, but I sorta have to because the news story really didn't make it clear: Were the attempted robbers and their accomplices arrested and charged with a crime?

Just asking, because I assumed that armed robbery was, you know, still a "crime" in the Chicagoland area.

11 posted on 12/23/2008 8:06:59 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Liberty has few friends, many enemies, and no adequate substitute.)
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To: KeyLargo

That looks like an Army infantry uniform to me.


12 posted on 12/23/2008 8:18:21 AM PST by kkalman
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To: kkalman

Yes it is.

And your question?


13 posted on 12/23/2008 8:36:25 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: NonValueAdded

Doh! Didn’t think of that... You’re probably right. I was thinking a frontal shot, but maybe the bad guy tried to turn away at the last second.


14 posted on 12/23/2008 8:43:08 AM PST by laker_dad
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To: laker_dad

If you’re in Chicago with a defensive handgun, you probably go with the very smallest firearm you can get, such as a .32 caliber Beretta Tomcat.


15 posted on 12/23/2008 8:43:38 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: kkalman

It is, and it’s Nicholas Cage, not Kevin Heath.


16 posted on 12/23/2008 8:50:31 AM PST by Muddy168 (Desert Saildor. NARMY Strong!)
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To: mvpel

Just curious, but why in Chicago do you go w/a .32? You can get very good compact 9mm, or even .45 that would provide much better “personal protection”. A .32 against even a thick leather coat won’t do much...except maybe get you dead instead of the attacker.


17 posted on 12/23/2008 8:53:54 AM PST by Muddy168 (Desert Saildor. NARMY Strong!)
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To: Muddy168

Thanks Muddy.

Some people just don’t get it I guess.

Duh.

I was only depicting a movie actor “ Nick Cage’s character, not the actual mugging victim, the Marine Kevin Heath.


18 posted on 12/23/2008 9:00:50 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: mvpel
If you’re in Chicago with a defensive handgun, you probably go with the very smallest firearm you can get, such as a .32 caliber Beretta Tomcat.

Dollars to donuts it was one of these. They're very popular. Much cheaper than a brand name, and just as reliable.

19 posted on 12/23/2008 9:05:17 AM PST by Seven plus One
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To: Muddy168

I would expect that the single most overriding concern, in Chicago, is avoiding detection of your defensive firearm. A Sig P239, a compact 9mm, is 6.6”, the Kahr PM9 is 5.3”, while the Tomcat is 4.9”.

Also bear in mind that you’d have to obtain both the firearm and ammunition through “off-the-books” means, so the selection of firearm for unlicensed defensive carry in Chicago would be fairly limited.

The pistol in this case was successful in stopping the attack and allowing the victim to get away, and in the end, that’s what really matters.


20 posted on 12/23/2008 9:06:37 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Mark was here

Ask me why I never clean the mud off my vehicle. Works for traffic cameras too. Ask me why I’m partial to revolvers? Hint: no casings left behind.


21 posted on 12/23/2008 9:08:53 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: KeyLargo
Well, well, well......the injured robbery attemptee was taken to West Suburban Hospital in Oak Park, Illinois and lost several teeth.

I was born and raised in Oak Park....in the very same hospital as above, as a matter of fact. Oak Park is upper middle-class in that particular section of town. It's a western suburb of Chicago, a very tree-lined and beautiful village that puts great emphasis on education and always has. Ernest Hemingway went to Oak Park High School.

Now all the perp needs for Christmas is his two front teeth, hah.

Leni

22 posted on 12/23/2008 9:15:59 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal
P.S.....folks, please don't equate the western suburbs of Chicago with the Daley machine Windy City itself. Night and day. These suburbs are conservative and mostly Republican. One of them sent Rep. Henry Hyde to the U.S. Congress for decades.

Leni

23 posted on 12/23/2008 9:20:11 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal

Oak Park Village politicians are still planning on keeping their total gun ban in effect.

Oak Park still working to uphold gun ban

Monday, November 24, 2008

The northern suburb of Winnetka repealed its 20-year handgun ban last week, joining others such as Morton Grove and Wilmette. But despite what one recent report said, Oak Park is still working to uphold its ordinance.

In June, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down Washington D.C.’s handgun ban. The National Rifle Association then filed lawsuits against various communities, including Oak Park, to effect similar results.

Winnetka put up the white flag, for fear of paying thousands in legal fees to fight the NRA, according to the Chicago Tribune. Oak Park, meanwhile, is teaming up with the City of Chicago to save costs. Chicago-based law firm Mayer Brown is providing pro bono services to help Oak Park in the fight, says Village Manager Tom Barwin.

Oak Park was served with the NRA lawsuit in August, Barwin said, which is currently in the appeals process. Village Attorney Ray Heise is researching the case to assess if the village is at risk of any legal costs, Barwin added.

The village believes its ban, in place since 1984, will hold up in court because voters approved it in a referendum the following year.

“This isn’t like some village board adopted it willy-nilly based on the impulse of one moment,” Barwin said. “This was an ordinance that was voted upon by a 54-percent majority of Oak Parkers.”

The NRA’s lawsuit names the Village of Oak Park and President David Pope as defendants. The plaintiffs are the NRA and two village residents, NRA members Robert Klein Engler and Dr. Gene Reisinger. Both men declined to comment to the Wednesday Journal in July

Barwin is uncertain when the next step of the legal process will take place. The suit is in a “quiet period” as attorneys are finalizing briefs.

The Oak Park Board of Health hopes to produce a plan next year if the village is forced to repeal its handgun ban. It would focus on safety, education and health impacts in an environment where handguns were legal here for the first time in 24 years, said Frank Vozak, chair of the health board.

“Oak Park has been a leader in being gun free, meaning many in Oak Park don’t know much about a handgun,” Vozak said at a meeting earlier this month.

-Marty Stempniak

http://wednesdayjournalonline.com/Main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=13057


24 posted on 12/23/2008 9:56:52 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: mvpel
I would expect that the single most overriding concern, in Chicago, is avoiding detection of your defensive firearm. A Sig P239, a compact 9mm, is 6.6”, the Kahr PM9 is 5.3”, while the Tomcat is 4.9”.

All of which spray cartridge cases (ie. evidence against you) all over the landscape, should you use them.

A snubbie's what you want.

25 posted on 12/23/2008 11:13:23 AM PST by Lee N. Field (Dispensational exegesis not supported by an a-, post- or historic pre-mil scholar will be ignored.)
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To: KeyLargo
Toothless and a tongue injury? That'll put a cramp in his style.

Thisss ish a shtip uff !

26 posted on 12/23/2008 11:58:33 AM PST by csvset
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To: MinuteGal

I lived near Ridgeland and Roosevelt. My exwife’s family is from there. We had one of the six houses on the block of Washington Erving School.

I could’t wait to get out of there.


27 posted on 12/23/2008 2:59:17 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Lee N. Field

Beggars can’t be choosers, I suppose.


28 posted on 12/24/2008 5:49:28 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel

That makes sense, thanks. And you’re right...bottom line is the would-be victim wasn’t. Merry Christmas!


29 posted on 12/25/2008 2:27:41 AM PST by Muddy168 (Desert Saildor. NARMY Strong!)
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To: KeyLargo

No worries. Some people don’t know uniforms. Or Nicholas Cage...and after his last few movies I can understand why. And, with the way uniforms are changing those who don’t see them or work with those wear them can get confused. Hell, I’m Navy, but wearing Army ACU’s with Navy rank insignia...which confuses the hell out of most Soldiers.
Merry Christmas...


30 posted on 12/25/2008 2:31:31 AM PST by Muddy168 (Desert Saildor. NARMY Strong!)
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