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HOW FAR-REACHING ARE PRESIDENTIAL EXECUTIVE ORDERS?
SELF | 12-23-08 | self

Posted on 12/23/2008 3:39:44 PM PST by Jerrybob

So I'm wondering just what the POTUS can and cannot do with executive orders. Could Obama, for example, to throw out a hypothetical, really wild example, sign an executive order that does away with the Concealed Carry laws in all the states that have them?

Just wondering.


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1 posted on 12/23/2008 3:39:44 PM PST by Jerrybob
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To: Jerrybob

William the Impeached was going to rule the nation with them.


2 posted on 12/23/2008 3:41:09 PM PST by Old Sarge (For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American)
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To: Jerrybob
I think the SC would shoot holes through that after their ruling this summer....
3 posted on 12/23/2008 3:41:48 PM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Jerrybob

The EO pertains to business of the Executive Branch.


4 posted on 12/23/2008 3:42:00 PM PST by RightWhale (We were so young two years ago and the DJIA was 12,000)
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To: Jerrybob

Good way to spark CW II


5 posted on 12/23/2008 3:42:41 PM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: Old Sarge

Executive Orders are designed for the Executive Branch. For example any government office created and funded by Congress is run by the President so he can issue executive orders telling that department what to do.

He can’t have any impact on state laws.


6 posted on 12/23/2008 3:43:16 PM PST by Patrick1 (conform and celebrate diversity¬Ö.or else!!!)
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To: Jerrybob

“Stroke of the pen; law of the land. Pretty cool.” — Klintonite Tyrant-in-waiting.


7 posted on 12/23/2008 3:44:03 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Jerrybob

“Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Pretty cool!”


8 posted on 12/23/2008 3:44:28 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: Jerrybob

The Congress has the power to pass laws; the President does not. Executive Orders are binding only on the Executive Branch of Government, not on private citizens, and even then, are binding only if they are consistent with Congressionally-enacted laws.


9 posted on 12/23/2008 3:44:55 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Still Thinking

Got me 25 seconds....LOL


10 posted on 12/23/2008 3:45:36 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: Jerrybob

I’d think they can go pretty far. The presumption these days, as opposed to he days near the founding of the Republic, is that if it sounds like a law, you have to obey it. Since according to the Constitution the powers allowed to the government were enumerated, laws were more of a “show me” affair back then.

No matter how outrageous the EO, you might have a long battle to show it was unconstitutionally issued, or that there was, to copy Al Gore, no other “controlling legal authority.”


11 posted on 12/23/2008 3:47:39 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: Jerrybob
I recall Bush used an executive order to ban the importation of certain so called assault weapons. It seems to me that he simply made law.

totally against the spirit, (and probably the letter) of the Constitution.

12 posted on 12/23/2008 3:49:36 PM PST by yarddog
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To: ScreamingFist; Still Thinking; Jerrybob
"Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Pretty cool!"

The scumbag who actually uttered those words first was Paul 'The Forehead' Begala.
13 posted on 12/23/2008 3:49:36 PM PST by mkjessup
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To: Old Sarge

He did. He is responsible for much of the corruption we see now.


14 posted on 12/23/2008 3:49:37 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Jerrybob; Congressman Billybob
He could probably have NHTSA make some percentage of federal highway funds contingent on the lack of CCW laws or on states having random checkpoints for "illegal" firearms.

This is an example of why federal grants-with-strings must be stopped. By offering to pay, the feds implicitly admit they're too far outside their Constitutional sandbox to simply mandate compliance, which in turn demonstrates that they're controlling funds in excess of the amount necessary to carry out their proper functions. Ergo, they owe us a refund.

15 posted on 12/23/2008 3:49:39 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: ScreamingFist

Beat ya by that much! < / Maxwell Smart voice >


16 posted on 12/23/2008 3:50:38 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Jerrybob
Well, here are some interesting XOs (and they ain't kisses & hugs, that's for damn sure) for use in an unlimited state of national emergency, aka 'martial law':

Executive Order 10995: All communications media will be brought under control of the Federal Government. Radio, TV, Newspapers, CB, Short Wave/Ham Radios, Telephones, including the Internet will be under federal oversight.

Executive Order 10997: All electrical power, fuels, and all minerals can be seized by the federal government if deemed necessary by virute of a national emergency.

Executive Order 10998: All food resources, farms and farm equipment will be seized by the government. Hoarding food will be prohibited.

Executive Order 10999: All modes of transportation will be under federal control. Any vehicle can be temporarily or permanently appropriated/seized for federal use without compensation to the original owner.

Executive Order 11000: All civilians will be eligible for recruitment into federally supervised work operations.

Executive Order 11490: Establishes presidential control over all US citizens and residents, businesses, and churches, superceding any and all state, county or local laws and regulations.

Executive Order 12919: Directs Cabinet officials designated by the President to be constantly ready to assume control over all aspects of the US economy during a State of National Emergency.

Executive Order 13010: Directs FEMA to assume statutory and managerial control over all government agencies in time of emergency, excluding the armed forces. FEMA is under control of executive branch of the government.

Executive Order 12656: Assignment of Emergency Preparedness Responsibilities, definitions: "A national emergency is any occurrence, including natural disaster, military attack, technological emergency, or other emergency that seriously degrades or seriously threatens the national security of the United States. Policy for national security emergency preparedness shall be established by the President." This order provides for the federal takeover of all local law enforcement agencies, the establishment of wage and price controls, the freezing of assets intended for transfer into or out of the United States, provides for the activation of a military draft by the Selective Service Commission, and controls all travel in and out of the United States (this is already in place, obviously).
17 posted on 12/23/2008 4:07:08 PM PST by mkjessup
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To: Jerrybob
Between Treaties and Executive orders, they can
override all of our constitution.

Bring back the “Bricker Amendment”!

18 posted on 12/23/2008 4:07:44 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Obama, Change America will die for.)
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To: mkjessup

Does Rush still call him that? :)


19 posted on 12/23/2008 4:07:48 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: Old Sarge
William the Impeached...

So many nick names for Bubba, but that is a gem!

LOL!

20 posted on 12/23/2008 4:09:57 PM PST by Churchillspirit
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