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Senator Bill Nelson Will Again Introduce Amendment for Direct Election of President
Ballot Access News ^ | December 23, 2008 | Richard Winger

Posted on 12/23/2008 4:37:28 PM PST by CalifScreaming

According to this story in the Tampa Tribune of December 22, U.S. Senator Bill Nelson will again introduce a constitutional amendment in January, to abolish the electoral college. Nelson had introduced it in June 2008 as SJR 39, but it made no headway.

SJR 39 is worded this way: “Sec. 1. The President and Vice President shall be jointly elected by the direct vote of the qualified electors of the several States and territories and the District constituting the seat of Government of the United States. The electors in each State, territory, and the District constituting the seat of Government of the United States shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the legislative body where they reside.

Sec. 2. Congress may determine the time, place and manner of holding the election, the entitlement to inclusion on the ballot, and the manner in which the results of the election shall be ascertained and declared.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; billnelson; certifigate; electoralcollege; florida; nelson; obama; obamatransitionfile; socialist
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The Constitution being torn up to fit Democrats. Imposing bill to rid itself of being a republic.
1 posted on 12/23/2008 4:37:29 PM PST by CalifScreaming
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To: CalifScreaming

Well it would save a lot of carbon credits. After all only about 4 states would be required to get the win.


2 posted on 12/23/2008 4:40:21 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: CalifScreaming

He is doing it right. No court rulings or backdoor deals.

Of course, he’s unlikely to get 3/4 of the states to ratify it.


3 posted on 12/23/2008 4:42:10 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: CalifScreaming

If it ain’t broke don’t fix it!


4 posted on 12/23/2008 4:42:54 PM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: CalifScreaming

The end of America already happened with the 17th amendment.

This is all window dressing.


5 posted on 12/23/2008 4:43:35 PM PST by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: CalifScreaming

I always thought he flew one shuttle mission too soon.


6 posted on 12/23/2008 4:45:24 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: CalifScreaming

Once again, these morons think they’re smarter than our Founding Fathers. The only way you can prevent California and New York from deciding our presidential elections is the Electoral College. But, hey, we’re about to seat a Kenyan-born, illegal alien as president, so to hell with the Constitution. Libs know better.


7 posted on 12/23/2008 4:45:42 PM PST by laweeks
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To: CalifScreaming

Sheesh. It’s a proposed amendment. Not the first time being that the 12th amendment changed presidential voting by the electoral college in 1804 and the 23rd gave electors to DC. in 1961.

I don’t want to see the EC go away but “we (or they) the people” have that choice to ratify it.


8 posted on 12/23/2008 4:45:44 PM PST by PurpleMan
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To: CalifScreaming

Go to hell, Bill.


9 posted on 12/23/2008 4:45:50 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: driftdiver

No, more like 6 cities


10 posted on 12/23/2008 4:46:12 PM PST by Foolsgold ("We live in the greatest country in the world and I am going to change it" Barry O'boomarang 2008)
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To: proxy_user
He is doing it right.

You really need to think this through a bit more.

11 posted on 12/23/2008 4:47:19 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: tbpiper

Since I am uneducated, why is the method incorrect?


12 posted on 12/23/2008 4:48:34 PM PST by PurpleMan
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To: CalifScreaming
Now that the nation is inhabited by perhaps the lowest forms of humans, with the least admirable abilities or most unable to fend for themselves -— we want to undo MORE of the Founder's wisdom who greatly restricted those who could vote.

Now is NOT the time to remove the mechanism set up to prevent mob rule by the most populous states....

13 posted on 12/23/2008 4:49:11 PM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: CalifScreaming
One thing, nobody will have to go to Iowa or New Hampshire again, just turn out the numbers in your strong areas, including the dead vote, and you can't miss.
14 posted on 12/23/2008 4:49:35 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: tbpiper

Gee if California and NY get to pick our president, does that mean they will pay all the taxes too? Oh, and contribute their “fair share” (fav lib term) to manning the us military. I mean, it seems inequitable that most troops come from the southeast.


15 posted on 12/23/2008 4:50:13 PM PST by flib (Russell and other Vets TRIED to visit Murtha)
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To: Don Corleone

Didnt the RATS just win an election? whats the fuss?


16 posted on 12/23/2008 4:50:48 PM PST by omega4179 (Ramos and Compean)
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To: CalifScreaming

So Nelson thinks he’s smarter than James Madison. Well, I got news for him, he’s not, not by a long shot.


17 posted on 12/23/2008 4:51:25 PM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: CalifScreaming

In the Congress we have today - there are NONE wise enough to question the wisdom of our founders..

NONE.


18 posted on 12/23/2008 4:51:45 PM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: laweeks

“The only way you can prevent California and New York from deciding our presidential elections is the Electoral College”

Texas has more people than New York, and Florida will surpass New York in 2012. I agree it doesn’t need fixing, and that’s the argument - not the Calif/NY thing.


19 posted on 12/23/2008 4:51:50 PM PST by mrclean5
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To: laweeks
"Once again, these morons think they’re smarter than our Founding Fathers. The only way you can prevent California and New York from deciding our presidential elections is the Electoral College. But, hey, we’re about to seat a Kenyan-born, illegal alien as president, so to hell with the Constitution. Libs know better."

That deserves Post of the decade if there were ever to be such a thing.

Well said!

20 posted on 12/23/2008 4:52:31 PM PST by Radix (There are 2 kinds of people in this world. Those with loaded guns & those who dig. You dig.)
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To: PurpleMan

“Sheesh. It’s a proposed amendment”

Democrats nationwide are pushing for this.


21 posted on 12/23/2008 4:52:35 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: CalifScreaming

Sounds to me like desperate attempts to skirt around the POTUS eligibility issue.

Whats next, a military coup? Though I doubt Hussein O will get much support from American Armed Forces.

I am almost able to accept concepts of out of the blue scenarios right now manufactured by Obamas handlers, something massive to divert attention away from his dual citizenship problem.


22 posted on 12/23/2008 4:52:53 PM PST by Eye of Unk (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! SA)
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To: CalifScreaming

Imagine a presidential race being fought like the current Franken/Coleman race in Minnesota? We could be without a President for years of litigation.


23 posted on 12/23/2008 4:53:30 PM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: PurpleMan

People who belive the Federal Government is the be all end all hate the electoral college. People who realize that the Federal Government was created by the states (not the other way around) believe in States rights and favor the electoral college.


24 posted on 12/23/2008 4:54:31 PM PST by csmusaret (Congress hasn't got anything right since they declared war on Japan.)
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To: mrclean5

“I agree it doesn’t need fixing, and that’s the argument - not the Calif/NY thing.”

I know, but I was just stating that two large populated states could control our presidency forever unless we had an electoral college.


25 posted on 12/23/2008 4:57:17 PM PST by laweeks
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To: CalifScreaming
Fine . Me and my animals will secede from the Union . We won't make the same mistakes the south made because we are keeping it quiet .
26 posted on 12/23/2008 4:57:23 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F/8 Cav)
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To: PurpleMan
why is the method incorrect

The method is correct, the intent is evil. " Doing the right thing" should not apply in this case as he is attempting to hoist us on our own petard.

27 posted on 12/23/2008 4:58:07 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: CalifScreaming

“U.S. Senator Bill Nelson will again introduce a constitutional amendment in January, to abolish the electoral college. Nelson had introduced it in June 2008 as SJR 39, but it made no headway.”

Well, don’t do a half-assed job of it, Nelson. Include in your amendment that the U.S. Senate should have its seats apportioned based on population. Both the two senators per states, and the electoral college come from the same need to compromise when the union was formed. Or, heck, just abolish the U. S. Senate and base everything purely on population and popular vote: a U. S. House only and popular election of the president.


28 posted on 12/23/2008 4:58:34 PM PST by Will88
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To: tbpiper

Why? Congress has the authority to do this, if they wish.

Just like any citizen can ask for a change in the law. For example, robbers can petition the legislature to make robbery legal.


29 posted on 12/23/2008 4:58:37 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: proxy_user

only 3/4? omgosh.........how many stupid blue states are there?


30 posted on 12/23/2008 4:58:39 PM PST by tioga (Merry Christmas!)
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To: mrclean5
the argument should be CA,NY,TX and FL thing. The thing I don't understand is those small states like New Hampshire, RI, Vermont, etc will probably go along with this type of buffoonery.....
31 posted on 12/23/2008 4:59:41 PM PST by martinidon
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To: tbpiper

Strap him alone on to The0ne’s last Shuttle out of KFC.


32 posted on 12/23/2008 4:59:50 PM PST by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: shove_it
The0ne’s last Shuttle out of KFC.

0riginal or Extra Crispy?

33 posted on 12/23/2008 5:02:09 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: The Great RJ
We could be without a President for years of litigation.

That's a good start... we'd still have to do the same to Congress. Nothing is safer than an ineffective feralfederal government.

/johnny

34 posted on 12/23/2008 5:03:06 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: CalifScreaming

Ths load of crap thinks he represents me.


35 posted on 12/23/2008 5:05:22 PM PST by clintonh8r (For the first time in my life I'm ashamed of my country.)
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To: CalifScreaming; MeekOneGOP; ntnychik; potlatch; devolve; Grampa Dave; Liz; dixiechick2000; ...

36 posted on 12/23/2008 5:12:51 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: CalifScreaming

If this ever did change, the smaller states would become insignficant regarding presidential elections.

Now, many of them become important in the election.

We do not need NYC, LA, Chicago, and a few other major cities determining the president.

The Founding Fathers had more sense than the entire crop of politicians in Washington.

Leave it alone, Senator Nelson.


37 posted on 12/23/2008 5:20:30 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: CalifScreaming
According to this story in the Tampa Tribune of December 22, U.S. Senator Bill Nelson (D) will again introduce a constitutional amendment in January

Sorry. Just a clarification.

38 posted on 12/23/2008 5:24:34 PM PST by upchuck (Get ready for 2009: Pray; Raise/conserve cash; Pay your debts; Pray; Stockpile; Buy ammo; Pray)
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To: CalifScreaming

Senator Bill, being so much smarter than all the Founding Fathers, smarter than Sam Adams, and Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington, smarter than Thomas Payne and John Adams and Benjamin Franklin...

Or not.


39 posted on 12/23/2008 5:25:14 PM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?)
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To: CalifScreaming

It’s time to do away with the electoral college. And the sooner, the better.


40 posted on 12/23/2008 5:25:51 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: CalifScreaming
Sec. 1. The President and Vice President shall be jointly elected by the direct vote of the qualified electors of the several States and territories and the District constituting the seat of Government of the United States. The electors in each State, territory, and the District constituting the seat of Government of the United States shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the legislative body where they reside.

Sec. 2. Congress may determine the time, place and manner of holding the election, the entitlement to inclusion on the ballot, and the manner in which the results of the election shall be ascertained and declared.

Four reasons for why this particular proposed will never be adopted (not that there aren't more reasons):

1 - The balance struck by the Electoral College would be destroyed.

2 - Every Presidential election would have the entire country be one giant Florida.

3 - This proposal would allow the Territories to vote in Presidential elections.

4 - This proposal would transfer over to the Congress the authority the States have over Presidential elections.

41 posted on 12/23/2008 5:29:01 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: DennisR

No it isn;t time to get rid of it. It is about states’ rights, and having a larger base of people candidates have to be concerned about, rather than just a few states or a few big cities.

And besides, since when has an idea that a whole bunch of democrats wanted been a good one? Why are you so on board to give them what they want? You think they know better about the Electoral College than the founders?


42 posted on 12/23/2008 5:34:32 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: DennisR
It’s time to do away with the electoral college. And the sooner, the better.

Whyever do you say that?

The Founding Fathers had good reasons for employing the Electoral College, as opposed to direct popular election.

Do you know what they were?

Why are they no longer applicable?

43 posted on 12/23/2008 5:35:20 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: clintonh8r

This of course would require an amendment to the Constitution, a process which our Founding Fathers wisely made difficult. If they had not invented the Electoral system, a candidate could ignore the views of millions of voters in smaller states. He could campaign almost exclusively in the big states and major cities, and get elected. Voters who are residents of states such as Hawaii, Alaska, Oregon, Nevada, Utah, Iowa, North Dakota, South Dakota, Kansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Montana, Wyoming, Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, Kentucky, West Virginia, Delaware, Vermont, Maine, Rhode Island, and New Hampshire would be completely disenfranchised. If this were to happen, we would no longer have a republic of 50 sovereign states. We would have mob rule.

Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL) displays his ignorance of the Constitution and his lack of understanding of how our republic was originally formed.


44 posted on 12/23/2008 5:35:44 PM PST by pleikumud
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1 word

ACORN


45 posted on 12/23/2008 5:45:15 PM PST by CalifScreaming (NO rubber screwdrivers)
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To: CalifScreaming

He is a real moron. They could never get the votes from the small states to ratify.


46 posted on 12/23/2008 5:47:30 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: PhilDragoo

Senator Bill Nelson.... ready for the next Senate session
to Introduce Amendment for Direct Election of President.

47 posted on 12/23/2008 6:04:07 PM PST by Liz (The right to be left alone is the beginning of freedom. USSC Justice William O. Douglas)
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To: Don Corleone
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it!

The 17th Amendment broke it. Need to start over, but that will never happen.

48 posted on 12/23/2008 6:08:51 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: CalifScreaming
The Constitution being torn up to fit Democrats.

Who cares? The Constitution has been dead for some time now. But dare I say you won't find one man in this country willing to fight for its return. Too many "risks".

49 posted on 12/23/2008 6:11:27 PM PST by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
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To: DennisR
"It’s time to do away with the electoral college. And the sooner, the better."

Certainly an elaboration of the justification of that that post/rationale is forthcoming.

Please ping me to it.

50 posted on 12/23/2008 6:17:31 PM PST by Radix (There are 2 kinds of people in this world. Those with loaded guns & those who dig. You dig.)
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