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How the secular humanist grinch didn't steal Christmas ; There is NO WAR ON CHRISTMAS (Barf Alert)
Salon ^ | Michelle Goldberg

Posted on 12/24/2008 11:14:50 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 12/24/2008 11:14:50 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

So if there is no war on Christmas, why do we call it Xmas or happy holidays? Why does the ACLU try to tear down holiday displays like nativities and menorahs?


2 posted on 12/24/2008 11:17:13 AM PST by mainestategop (MAINE: The way communism should be)
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“Xmas” is not originally an attempt to exclude Christ from Christmas, but uses an abbreviation of the Greek spelling of the word “Christ” with the “X” representing the Greek letter chi. However, so few people know this that it is probably better not to use this popular abbreviation in religious contexts.


3 posted on 12/24/2008 11:18:14 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Pinkham: Is this what the holidays have come to?
Medford Transcript


4 posted on 12/24/2008 11:22:06 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Xmas” is not originally an attempt to exclude Christ from Christmas, but uses an abbreviation of the Greek spelling of the word “Christ” with the “X” representing the Greek letter chi. However, so few people know this that it is probably better not to use this popular abbreviation in religious contexts.

Really?

Can you prove that?


5 posted on 12/24/2008 11:23:45 AM PST by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Too bad the [liberal] war doesn’t exist.

Yeah,yeah, yeah, and once again, I weigh what’s printed on my driving license.


6 posted on 12/24/2008 11:24:51 AM PST by hoe_cake (" 'We the people' tell the government what to do, it doesn't tell us." Ronald Reagan)
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To: SeekAndFind

denial ain’t a river.


7 posted on 12/24/2008 11:26:46 AM PST by weegee ("Let Me Just Cut You Off, Because I Don't Want You To Waste Your Question" - B.Obama Dec 16, 2008)
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To: SoConPubbie
Really? Can you prove that?

This entry from the American Heritage Dictionary:

http://www.bartleby.com/61/80/X0008000.html

SYLLABICATION: X·mas

PRONUNCIATION: krsms, ksms

NOUN: Christmas.

ETYMOLOGY: From X, the Greek letter chi, first letter of Greek Khrstos, Christ. See Christ. USAGE NOTE: Xmas has been used for hundreds of years in religious writing, where the X represents a Greek chi, the first letter of , “Christ.” In this use it is parallel to other forms like Xtian, “Christian.” But people unaware of the Greek origin of this X often mistakenly interpret Xmas as an informal shortening pronounced (ksms). Many therefore frown upon the term Xmas because it seems to them a commercial convenience that omits Christ from Christmas.
8 posted on 12/24/2008 11:29:24 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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The Birch example is a perfect portrait of how the Left can take what some extremist says and use it to cover their efforts. Yes, the Birch stuff was kooky, but that shouldn’t excuse the fact that too often stores or people try too hard to not offend and end up offending even more.

It is perfectly fine to wish someone a Merry Christmas if that is the holiday they are celebrating. If you see someone wearing a yarmulke, it is perfectly fine to wish him a Happy Hannukah. The generic “Happy Holidays” takes the meaning out of the occasion if used inappropriately.


9 posted on 12/24/2008 11:30:21 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Why do foul-mouthed conspiracy theorists who can't back up their ideas think that I belong at DU?)
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I’d like to further add that phrases like “Holiday Tree” are in and of themselves offensive because they’re nothing but uber-PC garbage gone amok.


10 posted on 12/24/2008 11:33:16 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Why do foul-mouthed conspiracy theorists who can't back up their ideas think that I belong at DU?)
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http://www.cresourcei.org/symbols/xmasorigin.html

It’s all explained in this article.


11 posted on 12/24/2008 11:33:48 AM PST by 4everfree2001
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As the holidays approach, the right is making ever more fevered preparations to thwart this ostensible conspiracy. Last week, the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights launched a short-lived boycott of Wal-Mart, charging the megastore with "insulting Christians by effectively banning Christmas." The American Family Association called for a Thanksgiving-weekend boycott of Target because of the chain's purported refusal to use the phrase "Merry Christmas" in its advertising. (Target denies having such a policy.) A few days later, Jerry Falwell announced he was joining with the Christian right legal group Liberty Counsel's "Friend or Foe Christmas Campaign," which intends to sue officials who try to curb religious Christmas celebrations in schools or other public places.

I'm curious to know how Jerry Falwell made this announcement from his grave.

12 posted on 12/24/2008 11:36:31 AM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: SeekAndFind
Odd article. The fact that a Christmas tree can only be permitted in the public forum because it is a “secular symbol” is evidence of success in the war against Christmas.

It seems the author wishes to relieve himself on our legs and then tell us is is raining.

13 posted on 12/24/2008 11:36:53 AM PST by BenLurkin
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Fine work SeeknFind! I love it when facts are presented. Merry Xmas!


14 posted on 12/24/2008 11:38:02 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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From http://www.cresourcei.org/symbols/xmasorigin.html:

Abbreviations used as Christian symbols have a long history in the church. The letters of the word “Christ” in Greek, the language in which the New Testament was written, or various titles for Jesus early became symbols of Christ and Christianity. For example, the first two letters of the word Christ ... are the Greek letters chi (c or C) and rho (r or R). These letters were used in the early church to create the chi-rho monogram, a symbol that by the fourth century became part of the official battle standard of the emperor Constantine.

Another example is the symbol of the fish, one of the earliest symbols of Christians that has been found scratched on the walls of the catacombs of Rome. It likely originated from using the first letter of several titles of Jesus (Jesus Christ Son of God Savior). When combined these initial letters together spelled the Greek word for fish (ichthus).

The exact origin of the single letter X for Christ cannot be pinpointed with certainty. Some claim that it began in the first century AD along with the other symbols, but evidence is lacking. Others think that it came into widespread use by the thirteenth century along with many other abbreviations and symbols for Christianity and various Christian ideas that were popular in the Middle Ages. However, again, the evidence is sparse.

In any case, by the fifteenth century Xmas emerged as a widely used symbol for Christmas. In 1436 Johannes Gutenberg invented the printing press with moveable type. In the early days of printing typesetting was done by hand and was very tedious and expensive. As a result, abbreviations were common. In religious publications, the church began to use the abbreviation C for the word “Christ” to cut down on the cost of the books and pamphlets. From there, the abbreviation moved into general use in newspapers and other publications, and “Xmas” became an accepted way of printing “Christmas” (along with the abbreviations Xian and Xianity). Even Webster’s dictionary acknowledges that the abbreviation Xmas was in common use by the middle of the sixteenth century.

So there is no grand scheme to dilute Christianity by promoting the use of Xmas instead of Christmas. It is not a modern invention to try to convert Christmas into a secular day, nor is it a device to promote the commercialism of the holiday season. Its origin is thoroughly rooted in the heritage of the Church. It is simply another way to say Christmas, drawing on a long history of symbolic abbreviations used in the church. In fact, as with other abbreviations used in common speech or writing (such as Mr. or etc.), the abbreviation “Xmas” should be pronounced “Christmas” just as if the word were written out in full, rather than saying “exmas.” Understanding this use of Christian symbolism might help us modern day Xians focus on more important issues of the Faith during Advent, and bring a little more Peace to the Xmas Season.


15 posted on 12/24/2008 11:38:26 AM PST by jgpatl (What was right is now wrong. What was wrong is now right.)
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As the holidays approach, the right is making ever more fevered preparations to thwart this ostensible conspiracy. Last week, the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights launched a short-lived boycott of Wal-Mart, charging the megastore with "insulting Christians by effectively banning Christmas." The American Family Association called for a Thanksgiving-weekend boycott of Target because of the chain's purported refusal to use the phrase "Merry Christmas" in its advertising. (Target denies having such a policy.) A few days later, Jerry Falwell announced he was joining with the Christian right legal group Liberty Counsel's "Friend or Foe Christmas Campaign," which intends to sue officials who try to curb religious Christmas celebrations in schools or other public places.

I'm curious to know how Jerry Falwell made this announcement from his grave.

Ah, never mind. The story is from 2005.

16 posted on 12/24/2008 11:42:14 AM PST by CFC__VRWC
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Heard a rumor that Special Forces volunteer Tillman was killed by “friendly fire” because he was an atheist. Any info on that rumor?


17 posted on 12/24/2008 12:04:00 PM PST by gleeaikin
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It is funny to me that the term "Xmas" is so misunderstood. I always used "X" as short-hand for "Christ" in high school (Jesuit school), as well in theology classes in college. Another quick time saver is using a small triangle (think Delta) for God - trinity and all.

Merry Xmas!

18 posted on 12/24/2008 12:22:49 PM PST by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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The amusing irony is that the downturn in the economy has stripped many of the secular trappings from Christmas, and made it a much more honest, thoughtful, and special holiday this year.

Instead of buying each other expensive and disposable baubles, families are enjoying a good meal in each others’ company. Instead of making gaudy displays, they are sharing a sense of peace and making memories of togetherness.

Which isn’t that bad an idea, after all.


19 posted on 12/24/2008 12:31:21 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Tillman wasn’t in Special Forces. He was a Ranger.
Hurly


20 posted on 12/24/2008 12:53:12 PM PST by hurly (A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds!)
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