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Us Army ready if the downturn gets out of hand
NY Post ^ | 23 Dec 2008 | John Crudele

Posted on 12/24/2008 11:40:50 AM PST by BGHater

ARE you afraid that the eco nomic downturn could get out of hand? I mean, really out of hand?

Well, don't worry.

The US Army War College is on the case - ready to handle "unforeseen economic collapse" and the "rapid dissolution of public order in all or significant parts of the US."

And you thought we were just dealing with a recession!

In a report published Nov. 4 - just in time for the holiday season - the War College's Strategic Studies Institute posited a number of shocks that the country should be prepared for, including unrest caused by the economy's failure.

The report has a snappy title, "Known Unknowns: Unconventional 'Strategic Shocks' in Defense Strategy Development," and was written by Nathan Freier, a visiting professor at the college. The foreword was written by Col. John A. Kardos, director of the Peacekeeping and Stability Operations Institute.

Freier lists a number of possible things we should worry about - because we probably don't have enough of our own - including run-of-the-mill terrorism and the fact that China and Russia could align against us politically and economically.

"Some of the most plausible defense-relevant strategic shocks remain low-probability events," Freier soft-pedals before going on to scare the hell out of us.

The War College says "widespread civil violence inside the US would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security."

Among things Freier wants us to worry about are "deliberate employment of weapons of mass destruction. . . unforeseen economic collapse, loss of functioning political and legal order, purposeful domestic resistance or insurgency and catastrophic natural and human disasters."

Oh, and by the way, have a Merry Christmas!

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1 posted on 12/24/2008 11:40:51 AM PST by BGHater
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To: BGHater; bamahead

possible ping (iirc, a similar story has already been pinged).


2 posted on 12/24/2008 11:42:58 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: BGHater

This is SOP, the DoD is always updating the plan to the current situation(s).


3 posted on 12/24/2008 11:44:06 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI

One of the reasons Obama wants his civilian defense force. Easier to control than the military.


4 posted on 12/24/2008 11:45:33 AM PST by Boiling Pots (The USA has become one huge pyramid scheme. Thanks George, John, Nancy and Harry.)
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To: BGHater

I’ve downloaded and read the report. It’s available free online to anyone who cares to take the time and effort to read it.

It’s basically a preparedness plan for a variety of long shot events that probably won’t occur. The fact that folks are using it to monger fear is more distressing than the report itself.


5 posted on 12/24/2008 11:45:56 AM PST by durasell
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To: BGHater

Hasn’t this been thought of as far back as 1941?


6 posted on 12/24/2008 11:46:36 AM PST by Dallas59 (Not My President)
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To: durasell
‘monger fear’

Lol. The Gov’t has already been doing that. Bailouts, Patriot Act, Iraq, etc.

7 posted on 12/24/2008 11:48:09 AM PST by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: dalereed

This is probably my greatest concern regarding the upcoming obumbler regime. The last thing I want to do is put myself across the fireline from our troops but I will do anything necessary to protect me & mine.

My fear is that ‘our troops’ are going to become his troops...


9 posted on 12/24/2008 11:52:44 AM PST by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: Dallas59

I think so. Even if little green men show up in their foo fighters with ray guns, then the top brass will know what to do.


10 posted on 12/24/2008 11:53:53 AM PST by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: Unknowing

Most of the report deals with improbable incidents overseas.


11 posted on 12/24/2008 11:55:33 AM PST by durasell
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To: dalereed
Sounds like we will have to go to war against our own military. I’ll protect myself, thank you, even if it’s against our own government troups.

Question for active duty and recently discharged military. Would the troops and officers fire on American citizens in an attempt to confiscate our legally owned weapons? The military is sworn to uphold the constitution. WILL THEY???

12 posted on 12/24/2008 11:57:24 AM PST by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: rockrr

Only if he is in fact a natural born us citizen. Otherwise he is not the cic.
I believe our military would more than likely be on the side of the US Constitution, that they have sworn to defend.


13 posted on 12/24/2008 11:57:44 AM PST by devistate one four (Impatiently waiting for the next tea party! Tet '68)
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To: rockrr
My fear is that ‘our troops’ are going to become his troops...

I wouldn't fear too much about that. Not with our military's current demographic makeup. Most of our soldiers that that oath to defend the Constitution pretty seriously. They also know they have the right to refuse illegal orders.

Unlike the way they are portrayed by hollywad, they are not jack-booted thugs just waiting for the chance to lord it over the rest of us.

14 posted on 12/24/2008 12:02:52 PM PST by PsyOp (Put government in charge of tire pressure, and we'll soon have a shortage of air. - PsyOp.)
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To: durasell

“Most of the report deals with improbable incidents overseas.”

....a while back they were considering the impact of revolution or national disaster in Mexico...such an event could trigger mass exodus....remember the “boat people” fleeing S.E.Asia in the 70s?....how would we deal with millions of “foot people” streaming into the southwest?...they would have to be stopped at gunpoint...and suppose they resisted at gunpoint?....and suppose their hispanic brethern in the U.S. helped them resist?.


15 posted on 12/24/2008 12:07:07 PM PST by STONEWALLS
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To: STONEWALLS

Read the study. It’s interesting. It’s extremely short. And there are elements of the thing, such as dealing with the improbable event, that you can use in your own life. It’s very much like The Black Swan for military ops.


16 posted on 12/24/2008 12:09:31 PM PST by durasell
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“...our own government troups.”

There’s a Monty Python skit in that spelling!

:)


17 posted on 12/24/2008 12:09:56 PM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: STONEWALLS

Given the current situation in Mexico, what you describe is entirely possible. MS-13 will instantly become a domestic terrorist group paid by Mexico.


18 posted on 12/24/2008 12:12:22 PM PST by navyguy (The National Reset Button is pushed with the trigger finger.)
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To: devistate one four

As no one else seems to give a damn, perhaps a military coup would be a good way to get rid of the Kenyan.


19 posted on 12/24/2008 12:13:07 PM PST by Churchillspirit
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To: rockrr

In my humble opinion, your fear is totally justified.


20 posted on 12/24/2008 12:15:23 PM PST by sport
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To: Boiling Pots
One of the reasons Obama wants his civilian defense force. Easier to control than the military.

The big question is whether the military would engage Americans. Back when the big hoopla was about the question of firing on Americans during weapons confiscation, I spoke with a number of Army and Marine officer and senior enlisted who said they would not obey such an order. I doube things have changed much since then.

21 posted on 12/24/2008 12:17:26 PM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: devistate one four

He will assume power 12:01 hours January 20, 2009. The Supreme Court is not about to rule against him.

The military will do what he tells them to do.


22 posted on 12/24/2008 12:19:05 PM PST by sport
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To: navyguy

...exactly!...plus suppose the Texas National Guard is called out and hispanics in the Guard either go over or go home?


23 posted on 12/24/2008 12:20:05 PM PST by STONEWALLS
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To: Lion Den Dan
As I recall, I had to raise my right hand and swear to "defend and protect the Constitution of the United States from all enemies foreign and domestic." This country is (or at least was) unique in that the military swears an oath of allegiance to a set of rules, rather than an individual.

Of course, we also had Kent State, but that was a mistake, not a policy.

24 posted on 12/24/2008 12:21:35 PM PST by Bernard (If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember exactly what you said.)
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To: rockrr
RE: "The last thing I want to do is put myself across the fireline from our troops but I will do anything necessary to protect me & mine."

MOUT (Military Operations on Urban Terrain) domestic training exercises and frangible ammo to keep down bystander casualties have been talked about and reported on for years.

I don't fear our military I worry about the "it all counts toward 30" government employees who will obediently do Wacos coast-to-coast and border-to-border. Kind of like IMO the FBI hostage rescue team at the original Waco.

25 posted on 12/24/2008 12:23:25 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: sport

It’s up to the US Congress not the scotus


26 posted on 12/24/2008 12:23:49 PM PST by devistate one four (Impatiently waiting for the next tea party! Tet '68)
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To: cpdiii
Would the troops and officers fire on American citizens in an attempt to confiscate our legally owned weapons?

They DID after Katrina. There were National Guard doing that.
27 posted on 12/24/2008 12:24:23 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: BGHater

We had an ice storm last year, knocking out power. After 4 days, I tried to buy a generator. A new shipment came in, and I went to Home Depot to find chaos. There were six police officers surrounding the generators and breaking up fights. All social order had disolved after four days without electricity.

Remember Katrina? Thousands of people were completely helpless, unable to spend a few days away from the government teet without chaos. The entitlement class is growing every day....

I can absolutely see a breakdown of social order, if our food supply is interupted in any way, or if a utility company went banrupt (The Messiah’s words, not mine), if world events interupted American Idol, etc.

Solution - don’t own property where the entitlement classes can get to it easily (on foot). Own enough land to grow food/raise animals. Own a gun or two.


28 posted on 12/24/2008 12:28:02 PM PST by lacrew (Yup, they're girded!)
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To: navyguy

Why would Mexico hire a street gang made up of Salvadoreans?


29 posted on 12/24/2008 12:30:27 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: lacrew

BTW, I found a generator in a town 60 miles away (nobody had lost power in that area). All I had to do was make a phone call and pick it up....

Everybody was DEPENDING on Home Depot to ship more generators in...instead of taking charge of their own destiny and finding their own generator (lots of government jobs here, so its a mindset).


30 posted on 12/24/2008 12:31:49 PM PST by lacrew (Yup, they're girded!)
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To: Boogieman

“Why would Mexico hire a street gang made up of Salvadoreans?”

Outsourcing.


31 posted on 12/24/2008 12:32:03 PM PST by NeoConfederate
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To: Boiling Pots

Along with the kids who entered the military for college educations and the like, there are a pretty fair number of patriots. The fact that the overwhelming majority are republican voters lessens the possibility of their firing on American citizens. Should a second American revolution ever get started, much of the military might well join the side of the patriots. No wonder Hussein wants to assemble his “civilian defense corps.” It will consist of the bow tie wearing Farrakhan thug types, necessary for the continued existence of dictatorships.


32 posted on 12/24/2008 12:39:12 PM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: TalonDJ

Dont forget Hussain is supposed to be the “New Lincoln.” Ol’ Abe never did let the Constitution bother. Unlike the Terriorists at Gitmo, those firebrands in South Carolina, were in rebellion and not entitled to any rights. Maybe the Military won’t fire on citizens, bur Obama’s brownshirts sure will.
barbra ann


33 posted on 12/24/2008 12:44:59 PM PST by barb-tex (Buy all the firearms ammo and Automobiles before the advent of the Barney Frank Mobile.)
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To: Oldpuppymax
No wonder Hussein wants to assemble his “civilian defense corps.”

Lenin eliminated the former Imperial Army, whose remnants were defeated in the Russian Civil War, and established his own Red Army. Hitler was unable to abolish the old line Prussian military establishment, which supported him initially against the Communists and Socialists. However, he developed a parallel army, the SS or Blackshirts, personally loyal to him, as a counterbalance. Castro converted his guerrillas into the new Cuban Army, and abolished the former military that had served under Batista. Obama's proposal for a civilian defense corps may well be a way to bypass any long term reliance on the existing U.S. Armed Forces, many of whose members, especially in the combat units, are politically conservative.

34 posted on 12/24/2008 12:48:14 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: BGHater

If we can’t afford to keep buying off the underclass at some point, they may have to use military force to protect the Kennedy compound. Even the Democrats may come to understand that cultivating and expanding a voting base of worthless cretins has its downside. ;)


35 posted on 12/24/2008 12:50:57 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: devistate one four

>Only if he is in fact a natural born us citizen. Otherwise he is not the cic.<

What is that supposed to mean? The way it looks is that Obama will be crowned in January whether he can prove to be a natural born citizen or not. That would make him CIC whether you or I like it. And don’t expect any support from Congress or the SCOTUS. It seems that Americans have been abandoned by their government.


36 posted on 12/24/2008 12:51:17 PM PST by 353FMG (The sky is not falling, yet.)
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To: 353FMG

The burden is on zero to proove otherwise he ain’t Sh*t. Ya dig?
That pesky ole constitution again.


37 posted on 12/24/2008 12:53:57 PM PST by devistate one four (Impatiently waiting for the next tea party! Tet '68)
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To: BGHater
I understand there are even plans on the books to invade Canada, in case of maple syrup embargo. Gotta have contingency plans.

/johnny

38 posted on 12/24/2008 12:54:11 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: TalonDJ

“They DID after Katrina. There were National Guard doing that.”

That is an outright lie. No NG troops confiscated legally owned weapons. The local police agencies and roaming bands of vigilante police groups were confiscating those weapons. This has been well documented by the NRA.


39 posted on 12/24/2008 12:54:31 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: 353FMG

I will support him if he’s legit. This is America and I want her to be the world leader forever.
I’ll raise a stink when I feel he is out of bounds also.


40 posted on 12/24/2008 12:56:41 PM PST by devistate one four (Impatiently waiting for the next tea party! Tet '68)
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To: Kirkwood
“local police agencies”

Even LEO’s take a oath to the Constitution.

41 posted on 12/24/2008 1:00:25 PM PST by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: BGHater
Among things Freier wants us to worry about are "deliberate employment of weapons of mass destruction. . . unforeseen economic collapse, loss of functioning political and legal order, purposeful domestic resistance or insurgency and catastrophic natural and human disasters."
Ex-squeeze me: "Domestic resistance"? Like maybe domestic resistance to Barry and his Civilian Defense Force goons? Or resistance to National Guard troops running wild and ILLEGALLY seizing guns like in New Orleans after Katrina?

No wonder they RATS & RINOs are pushing for a new and "improved" AWB. There can't be any resistance when we only have Spitballs and Slingshots. Well, Molon Labe Barry - Lock and Load 'my friend'.

Oh (blank). What am I talking about. I lost all my guns last month. Really. I was cleaning them and put them in the clothes dryer to dry and -- POOF! --- they all disappeared (getting my rifles in there was a bit tricky).

(But on the upside some lost socks from 1987 reappeared!)

42 posted on 12/24/2008 1:03:44 PM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Bernard
RE: Kent State . . . was a mistake, not a policy

Mistake? Yes by the agitators, there would have been no confrontation without them.

Not a policy? Of course it was a policy to confront the kind of violence that started days earlier. The Guard did not get called up that day, walk on campus and start firing.

Folks the Ayers-Dohrn bombers and various actual and wanna be murderers were on virtually every campus. I was surprised to hear that the Guard carried ammo for their M-1s but would anyone be willing to be pelted with objects heavy enough to kill? Those old W.W.II steel pots and liners were noting like the headgear today. Fatigues was the uniform -- no better than jeans and a good shirt to protect against flying bricks and whatever.

Some are claiming -- almost 40 years later -- that it was a consiracy to kill the students (Nixon, ya know). <>

Some claim to have a recording: "Right here! Get Set! Point! Fire!"

"The recording captures the 13 seconds of gunfire – more than 60 shots were fired – that left four students dead and nine others wounded."

"Right here!" Right here? There was all kinds of commotion and people swarming all around throwing rocks and the like at the Gruardsmen -- plus the usual crowd of on-lookers. Right here? Where?!

"Point!" Point? Is it necessary to comment about "point"?

According to one source:

"Families of the victims spent the next several years trying to pin the responsibility for the Kent State tragedy on Governor Rhodes and the Ohio Guard. Criminal trials in both federal and state court were either dismissed or ended in acquittals. (Civil lawsuits filed by survivors and families of the four dead students were eventually consolidated into one: Scheuer vs. Rhodes.) A civil trial for wrongful death and injury failed when the judge excluded key evidence and the jury decided against awarding damages to the parents; but the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati overturned the verdict because of jury tampering and a second civil trial began in 1978. On January 4, 1979, an out of court settlement was reached. The State of Ohio awarded the plaintiffs $675,000 in damages along with a statement of "regret" (not an apology or admission of wrongdoing)"

43 posted on 12/24/2008 1:04:08 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Kirkwood
That is an outright lie.

I could be mistaken. I did read about it on the web after all. Which means it is as likely to be true at this point as your statement. Still, I don't like being called a liar. Technically I would have to know it was false to actually be lying. Feel free to actual document your accusations. In the mean time here is an actual magazine article that backs up my assertion. Have a nice day.
44 posted on 12/24/2008 1:07:05 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: BGHater

...unforeseen...purposeful domestic resistance...


In other words, we are going to curtail certain inalienable rights that the smart people (in this country) like to exercise in the interest of national security, equality and social justice...

This just keeps getting better and better...


45 posted on 12/24/2008 1:08:44 PM PST by stevie_d_64
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To: BGHater
Wouldn't be the first time ...


Gen. Douglas MacArthur and aide Maj. D. D. Eisenhower
overseeing the breakup of the Bonus Army
protesters in 1932

46 posted on 12/24/2008 1:10:37 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: TalonDJ

Members of the California Highway Patrol, Oklahoma Highway Patrol, and even the 82nd Airborne were involved in the New Orleans gun confiscations. Sickening and outrageous.


47 posted on 12/24/2008 1:11:15 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (Shame on George W. Bush for NOT giving a pardon to Ramos and Compean)
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To: Kirkwood
And here is another one, this time from the Second Amendment Foundation. I am sure if you search youtube you can find the footage ABC took of it.
48 posted on 12/24/2008 1:11:38 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
I read an account by a guardsman, I forget where, of the confiscation. He said some of the officers were reluctant but the younger enlisted and those from more urban regions had no problems at all enforcing the confiscation order.
49 posted on 12/24/2008 1:13:47 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: devistate one four

I am in full agreement with you if he is legit. The problem is that, up to now, he has not to had to prove his legitimacy and I do not foresee that he will be forced to do so in the future.

Congress and SCOTUS seem to be willing to circumvent the Constitution just for his sake. However, if they do it for him now, they will do it again in the future.


50 posted on 12/24/2008 1:17:47 PM PST by 353FMG (The sky is not falling, yet.)
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