Posted on 12/25/2008 2:18:10 PM PST by 2banana
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There are exceptions to every rule, aren’t there? Afterall, I claimed this sloth and laziness has affected “only” 2/3 of America’s labor force.
UAW = scumbags.
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Point taken...:)
I have faith in American workers, just not union workers!
Especially NOT union workers.
What's not said here is that this Ford plant sort of "buys" peace with the local union shop by allowing the top union guys of the local to get all this time off & un-merited overtime. So it's not necessarily Ford that is being ripped off here - it's really every one else who works hard and plays by the rules - and then is expected to let their taxes be used to throw a life-line to this corrupt union.
Baloney
You must have never worked in non-union environment in a long time.
A work ethic like these two clowns will get you fired in record time
What world do you live in? Our plant runs so lean that any slacking off will be noticed by a co-worker.
Of course, we are non-union and non-government, so maybe it is just the world I live in.
Bill Ayers had the same epiphany when a news crew caught up to him in Chicago.
And, on union workers, I do believe there are many dedicated and hardworking members. The problem, as I see it, is the Unions encourage employees to be in an adversarial relationship with their employers.
Here is my opinion:
Unions, as a rule, do not believe in free enterprise or the benefits of capitalism.
There is no surprise in seeing that unions are started by, populated with and run by leftists. Communism, socialism and Marxism are understood and appreciated by these people even though most have never read a word by Marx, couldn’t explain what socialism is, and who don’t know anything about communism other than the Soviet Union “didn’t quite get it right”.
These people do not believe there is value in anything other than what people produce with their own two hands by the fruit of their labor. They believe capitalists and other middlemen exploit the people “who really produce things”. They think middlemen and capitalists are simply leeches who suck the value out of what the workers produced.
They are the people who never think for a second the dynamics of how a factory came to exist, that someone had an idea, thought it would be profitable and figured out a way to get a business of some kind started (often at great financial or personal risks to themselves) and built a business. The workers think the factory and the company should belong to THEM, even though their contribution to the existence of the factory was simply that they wandered in off the street one day and filled out a job application. They think they can make decisions about who works, how they work, how long, and how hard, and that they can issue a diktat to their employers by holding over their heads the threat of strike, shutdown or slowdown.
Contrast that with how I view my employer: They are my boss. They built the business. They gave me a job and expect me to do it so they can make money and I can work, earning money to buy food, shoe my feet and pay off my mortgage. If I think my job is unfair or unethical, I can leave and work somewhere else or work for myself. When I have my own company, I should be able to decide how much to pay my employees, what their job entails and what benefits I should give them and what hours they should work. I believe that treating people fairly and decently provides plenty of productive incentive, and I will get more out of them (and more profit) if I am fair rather than treating them like an unfair ogre.
Quite a contrast, eh?
After college and an Air Force career, I worked for a non-union company for nearly 18 years. I never saw anyone abusing the company like the unions routinely abused MK and the government during the missile site construction program.
One accquaintance told me about the almost unbelievable crap that
UAW workers perpetrated at the Chrysler plant he worked in.
Leaving by noon for the local watering hole and having subordinants
cover for them if any questions about their where-abouts might arise.
And that was 20 years ago.
Exactly! Your experience describes EXACTLY the problems. I have a buddy who works for a company providing high end stereos to auto manufacturers. He has been to the plants in Japan and Detroit, and has seen the way the Japanese “unions” work as opposed to those in Detroit.
He was appalled by the waste, inefficiency and simple incompetence of union labor in Detroit. I put the word “union” in quotes for Japan, because apparently, they don’t operate anything like our unions.
I don’t know about auto plants, but in the steel mills there were always a certain number of workers on the clock who did nothing but union representation work the whole day, including the local union president and a certain number of other officers.
It was perfectly “legit” according to the contract in the mills.
Probably the same arrangement here, and its just one of the work rules that hampers the big 3.
I don't see myself in the market for an aircraft or spacecraft in the near future.
Are you kidding? In my non-union pharmaceutical manufacturing plant, this sort of thing would get you lynched by your co-workers, right before you went flying out the door.
You make a very good point. While I agree there are union mandated rules leading to inefficiencies and union workers who abuse the system, I have also encountered non-union workers who are less than 100 percent honest and hardworking. How many of us spend work time on the telephone taking care of personal affairs or spend company time and equipment shopping or browsing on the Internet. How many times is the company car used for personal travel or corporate discounts used for personal purchases. There are so many examples of such behavior and it has become so ingrained that I am afraid your two thirds figure may be too little.
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