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7-year-old beaten severely in Phoenix park dies
Google/AP ^ | 12/26/08

Posted on 12/26/2008 9:25:31 AM PST by freespirited

Police say one of two young boys beaten severely in an attack in a Phoenix park has died.

Phoenix police Sgt. Tommy Thompson says 7-year-old Jesse Ramirez died early Friday of his injuries. .. His cousin, 10-year-old Edwin Pellecier, remains in critical condition at a local hospital.

Police arrested 36-year-old Jose Sauceda Gallegos within hours of the attack. Thompson says additional charges will be added to the child abuse and dangerous crimes against children charges he faces. ...

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: childabuse; childmurder; phoenix
Sick.
1 posted on 12/26/2008 9:25:32 AM PST by freespirited
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To: freespirited
Part of the story is missing. Was this piece of garbage who smashed these two children an ILLEGAL ALIEN who never should have been here in the first place? If so, will the government officials who acted to keep him here, be put in the dock along with him?

The answer is that the politicians and bureaucrats will NOT be held accountable for their actions. The point is, they should be, as quickly and harshly as possible.

Congressman Billybob

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2 posted on 12/26/2008 9:30:37 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (Latest book: www.AmericasOwnersManual.com)
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To: freespirited

Yet, the liberal ‘reporters’ are only concerned that Sheriff Joe might stop some of this criminality.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2154474/posts

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3 posted on 12/26/2008 9:35:42 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: Congressman Billybob

I dont know whether he is an illegal. What I do know is that when immigration status is not mentioned, the answer is usually yes, illegal.


4 posted on 12/26/2008 9:36:49 AM PST by freespirited (Compassionate conservatism is liberalism dressed up for Halloween.)
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To: freespirited
Prayers.

Little more info below:

Cops: Boys beaten at Ariz. park critically injured
5 posted on 12/26/2008 9:41:43 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: freespirited

Some children are born to savages and they exist only to get killed. That was their purpose in life, to get brutally mangled.


6 posted on 12/26/2008 9:45:26 AM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Congressman Billybob

In this case it doesn’t appear he was illegal, what he is is Schizophrenic and should not have been released from a mental facility.... according to blogs on AZFamily.com neighbors said about six months ago he called police to say he had killed his two children — the same age as these boys; he had not, in fact his children live in Colorado with their mother, in his crazy delusion he must have thought these boys were his children... The Arizona mental health system bears a lot of responsibility for turning this sick individual loose on his neighbors.


7 posted on 12/26/2008 9:48:12 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: freespirited

The tell-tale clues aren’t there in this article and the article linked below.

They list an uncle as Saucedo and the perp as Gallegos. I know that family name has a large presence in New Mexico. Neither name is hyphenated. And the Phoenix papers have begun making immigration status an issue in their reports of criminal activity.

Chances are fairly good that Gallegos is a citizen, or at least, a legal immigrant.


8 posted on 12/26/2008 9:49:59 AM PST by HiJinx (~ Support our Troops ~ www.americasupportsyou.mil ~)
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To: freespirited; All

Here’s another report...

[snip]Doctors told police they believe the boys were bludgeoned repeatedly with a baseball bat or similar object. Police say they found a bat in Gallegos’ home along with clothing that appeared to be bloodstained.

Thompson said Gallegos, who lived nearby, followed two boys to the small neighborhood park and attacked them, then walked back to his home. Police don’t know a motive.

Police said video from a surveillance camera mounted on a house across the street from the park showed the boys walking toward the park, followed a minute later by a man carrying an object that looked like a bat. The occupant of the house said the man looked like his neighbor, Gallegos.

An uncle of Gallegos, Joe Sauceda, told police that he believed Gallegos had been diagnosed as a schizophrenic. The uncle also said Gallegos had told authorities about six months ago that he killed his sons in his attic, but police never found any such victims at the house. Gallegos’ sons live with their mother in Colorado and are the same ages of the boys who were attacked.

http://www.kansascity.com/449/story/952931.html

And another one:

As police searched the neighborhood for witnesses, they said a neighbor offered video from a surveillance camera that had captured images of boys walking toward the park, followed a minute later by a man carrying an object that looked like a bat.

Investigators who went to Gallegos’ house noted that he appeared nervous and that his appearance was similar to that of the man in the surveillance video. Police also said Gallegos had an odor of chlorine on his hands and stains that appeared to be blood on his shoes.

Gallegos, who was cited for misdemeanor assault in October for a fight at a restaurant, was arrested for not showing up for a court date. He was then booked on assault charges after a search of his house turned up the shirts and an aluminum baseball bat.

He declined to talk further with investigators.

Joe Sauceda, the suspect’s uncle, told police that he believed Gallegos had been diagnosed as a schizophrenic.

Sauceda also said Gallegos had told authorities about six months ago that he killed his sons in his attic, but police never found any such victims at the house.

Gallegos’ sons live with their mother in Colorado and are the same ages of the boys who were attacked at the park.

___http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/shared-gen/ap/National/Children_Injured.html


9 posted on 12/26/2008 9:50:43 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Adult schizophrenia is not pretty.

Our relaxed confinement laws since the 70s have contributed more to tragedies like this and to so many incoherent babbling bums on the streets.


10 posted on 12/26/2008 9:52:08 AM PST by wardaddy (Monarchists for Palin 2012)
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To: freespirited

I think that this is more an article about the criminally insane walking our streets, instead of being locked safely away...


11 posted on 12/26/2008 9:57:29 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Congressman Billybob

“Part of the story is missing.”

Yeah, the part that explains his motive. Why would a grown man beat two boys with a baseball bat?


12 posted on 12/26/2008 9:59:20 AM PST by monday
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To: freespirited

36-year-old Jose Sauceda Gallegos

13 posted on 12/26/2008 10:05:43 AM PST by kcvl
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To: freespirited

This guy should be chopped up into tiny pieces.


14 posted on 12/26/2008 10:17:33 AM PST by CommieCutter (Blaming guns is like blaming the car for actions of the drunk driver.)
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To: kcvl

There are times I believe in Darwinism....here is a prime candidate to cull the herd. He looks like a cretin from the deep...return to sender!


15 posted on 12/26/2008 10:44:25 AM PST by tflabo
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To: Congressman Billybob
"Was this piece of garbage who smashed these two children an ILLEGAL ALIEN..."

The victims have Hispanic last names. Why aren't you asking whether they're "ILLEGAL ALIENS" too?

16 posted on 12/26/2008 10:45:00 AM PST by Fabozz (Palin/Jindal 2012)
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To: wardaddy

Some people will be horrified, but I think that people like this guy who committ heinous crimes should be tried, convicted for first degree murder and executed. Most people have no idea of the misery chronic schizophrenics subject family members and neighbors to because of a flawed mental health system. Chronic paranoid schizophrenics are repeatedly committed to inpatient psychiatric units when they are experiencing a psychotic episode. That period of committment may vary from state to state, but while they are detained they are forced to take psychotropic medication.

After a brief period the medication returns them to a lucid state. They then have a hearing and are able to respond rationally to the questions of the official who presides over these procedures. Then they are then released and returned to the community.

Invariably they take the necessary medication for a period of time and then refuse to take it any longer. They then repeat the cycle. Families are terrorized, people are murdered and maimed by schizophrenics who refuse to continue taking medication.

I believe that there is premeditation involved in the murders committed by these people, since they deliberately stop taking the meds and as this guy did, deliberately committ murders. I worked in the system for thirty years. I have heard the arguments against “warehousing” mentally ill patients in state hospitals. Many of those hospitals that held chronically ill patients were closed and we then saw the homeless sleeping under bridges, on side walks and in doorways.

Who is responsible for this? Liberals. Radical leftists. The same idiots who are destroying the educational systems, the criminal justice systems and the country. How many more atrocities will these liberal idiots be permitted to subject the nation to before we wake up?


17 posted on 12/26/2008 10:46:17 AM PST by SkipW
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To: Fabozz

“The victims have Hispanic last names. Why aren’t you asking whether they’re “ILLEGAL ALIENS” too?”

Maybe because they weren’t drunk,crazy or going around killing innocent people?


18 posted on 12/26/2008 10:48:38 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: AuntB

Schizophrenic - but he had the presence of mind to clean himself up - with bleach - after the attack.


19 posted on 12/26/2008 10:53:08 AM PST by informavoracious
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To: informavoracious
Exactly right. He used chlorine to wash with.....talk about consciousness of guilt.
20 posted on 12/26/2008 11:00:30 AM PST by tioga (Merry Christmas!)
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To: informavoracious

“Schizophrenic - but he had the presence of mind to clean himself up - with bleach - after the attack.”

Exactly. A lot of psychiatric terms are thrown around when ‘criminal’ is the only correct one.


21 posted on 12/26/2008 11:01:35 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: informavoracious

That popped out to me also. Has he really been diagnosed as schizophrenic or does the relative just think he is crazy? Needless to say, there is a difference.

It does sound like he knows right from wrong.

Those poor kids. Once again the system failed them.


22 posted on 12/26/2008 11:13:42 AM PST by freespirited (Compassionate conservatism is liberalism dressed up for Halloween.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

“Part of the story is missing. Was this piece of garbage who smashed these two children an ILLEGAL ALIEN who never should have been here in the first place? If so, will the government officials who acted to keep him here, be put in the dock along with him?”

You are looking into the future, when Jesus returns, eliminates His enemies, and sets up perfect justice. Yes, then child molesters, beaters and killers and those who enable them will be appropriately dealt with, as the conscience and sense of justice, that the same Creator has put in our heats, dictates.


23 posted on 12/26/2008 12:27:08 PM PST by RoadTest (The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? - Jer.17:9)
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To: freespirited

RIP.


24 posted on 12/26/2008 1:33:15 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: wardaddy

It certainly isn’t. Most of the Phoenix news blogs on this story are pretty much very angry at our loose mental health situation, people from this neighborhood knew this guy was unstable.


25 posted on 12/26/2008 2:39:57 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: monday

If you read the entire story on this guy you would know he is a schizophrenic and had been locked up until very recently for imagining he had bludgeoned his own boys who are the same age as the two boys he did kill; lucky for his own sons they live in Colorado with their mother, unlucky for the two cousins they were the same age and lived in the neighborhood... this is a huge failure of our mental health system here.


26 posted on 12/26/2008 2:42:32 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: SkipW

IMO these people should be warehoused for the public’s own good. The doctor I work for has several schizophrenic patients and they are like yo-yo’s.


27 posted on 12/26/2008 2:44:44 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Soothesayer
Some children are born to savages and they exist only to get killed. That was their purpose in life, to get brutally mangled.

That's a terrible thing to suggest, IMO. For if true, there is no such thing as a loving God.

28 posted on 12/26/2008 2:51:46 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: freespirited
The original premise of posting this article was whether this guy was an illegal alien... fact is in Arizona as elsewhere in the SW Hispanic names are very common and no proof a person was an illegal... also in Phoenix, as a rule, the press is not shy about saying someone who commits a crime is illegal, especially since most police officers killed in Phoenix last year were killed by illegals. This was not a "poor" Phoenix neighborhood... and this guy was known to his neighbors and they feared him:

http://www.azfamily.com/video/newsat9-index.html?nvid=316349

http://www.azfamily.com/video/3tvextra-index.html?nvid=316346

I am as anti-illegals as anyone and Arizona has some of the toughest laws to stop them here, we don't do ourselves any favors by assuming every crime done by someone with a Mexican surname is an illegal.... this was a failure of the AZ mental health system.

29 posted on 12/26/2008 2:58:38 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: DCPatriot

Theodicy tries to explain the existence of evil with the argument for free will but maybe that negates any argument that God is generally watching over us and guiding our lives.

It would appear that life is nothing but a battle between the strong and the defenseless alongside a difficult struggle to find faith in the inscrutable. If any God exists, he isn’t rewarding us here. This place is mostly for darkness and horror, a trial for the faithful and a prelude to the hell awaiting men like these.


30 posted on 12/26/2008 3:08:59 PM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Soothesayer

there is a part of me that agrees with you and a part that on occasion sees some light


31 posted on 12/26/2008 3:33:28 PM PST by wardaddy (Monarchists for Palin 2012)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

There was no premise in the posting the article. I considered it news.


32 posted on 12/26/2008 7:22:09 PM PST by freespirited (Compassionate conservatism is liberalism dressed up for Halloween.)
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To: freespirited

You’re correct, it was post number 2 — which you did not make — that got it off track.


33 posted on 12/26/2008 7:30:36 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Soothesayer

That’s the craziest thing I’ve ever read on FreeRepublic, and I’ve read a lot of crazy stuff here. Get a grip!


34 posted on 12/27/2008 9:11:33 AM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Join us on the best FR thread, 8000+ posts: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Ping


35 posted on 12/27/2008 9:20:39 AM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Join us on the best FR thread, 8000+ posts: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts)
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