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Drug Wars the Movie, showing in Victoria [Texas]
Texas Border Volunteers E-mail ^ | Dec. 22, 2008 | Linda Vickers

Posted on 12/26/2008 12:21:03 PM PST by SwinneySwitch

As part of its award-winning "Fatal Funnel" series, Victoria Advocate/VictoriaAdvocate.com present

DRUG WARS by Gary "Rusty" Fleming

Silver or Lead - "Plato o Plomo"

They are showing the entire film—the cost of the viewing is free—

Come and learn about this very present threat.

Tuesday, December 30, 7 P.M. at the Leo J. Welder Center for the Performing Arts in Victoria, Texas.

Due to graphic violence, this film is not recommended for children.

Following the film, your questions will be answered by Mr. Fleming; Victoria County Sheriff T. Michael O'Connor; Webb County Sheriff Rick Flores; Fred Burton, a former counter-terrorism special agent; and William Slemaker whose daughter was kidnapped in Mexico. After the discussion, Mr. Fleming and Mr. Burton will sign their books.

To learn more about the documentary, go to drugwarsthemovie.com

Go to victoriaadvocate.com to read about the "Fatal Funnel." - The highways from Mexico to Victoria used by drug and human smugglers.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: corruption; drugwars; fatalfunnel; immigration; mexico; plataoplomo; war; wod
Ignoring the drug problems in our country will not make them go away! This is a sample of the violence that is entering our country across the Mexican border. If Americans don't speak up to city, state and federal leaders for action against drugs and violence in our country.....who will??? This is a VERY serious problem....and our law enforcement need the awareness and support of all Americans!!! Pat K.
1 posted on 12/26/2008 12:21:03 PM PST by SwinneySwitch
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To: SwinneySwitch
What we need to do is legalize this crap for anyone over the age of 21.

Let 'em sell it in 5 pound bags at Safe-Way.

Remove the huge black market profits and the gangs disappear.

L

2 posted on 12/26/2008 12:23:44 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: ronnyquest; Cvengr; CPT Clay; MNDude; BellStar; bayouranger; stan_sipple; time4good; Guenevere; ...

Plato o Plomo ping!

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


3 posted on 12/26/2008 12:25:45 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (....but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. John 3:19 NIV)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Remove the huge black market profits and the gangs disappear.

Or they go into politics in Chicago.

4 posted on 12/26/2008 12:31:14 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: Lurker

I’ve always wondered why folks think that if there were no profit in drugs that the hardened criminals with no education and no skills will suddenly decide to become law abiding citizens.


5 posted on 12/26/2008 12:35:43 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: Lurker

Just wait for the ObamaNation, L.


6 posted on 12/26/2008 12:35:48 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (....but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. John 3:19 NIV)
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To: SwinneySwitch; All

THE WAR NEXT DOOR

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2151549/posts

“How do you begin to understand that so many people are dying in Mexico? More than 5,000 casualties because of “narcotrafficking.” That’s more than all of the American troops that have died fighting an actual war in Iraq.”


7 posted on 12/26/2008 12:37:57 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: SwinneySwitch
End the failed drug war. Put violent criminals and government criminals out of business.

Prohibition was a failure. Neoprohibition is a failure as well.
8 posted on 12/26/2008 12:38:33 PM PST by mysterio
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To: SwinneySwitch
Oh yes, a very serious problem.

Last night at the family Christmas party, my 22 year old nephew and his cousins were smoking pot out by the pool. I called the DEA and they rushed over and tossed all of them in jail where they belong.

I'm with you, I hope they don't get out of prison for fifty years.

9 posted on 12/26/2008 12:38:38 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Eagles6
I’ve always wondered why folks think that if there were no profit in drugs that the hardened criminals with no education and no skills will suddenly decide to become law abiding citizens.

Don't waste your time with stupid wonderings like that.

Ask yourself instead why the Budweiser guy isn't shooting it out with the Miller guy over 'turf'.

That's a far more intelligent wondering.

L

10 posted on 12/26/2008 12:40:18 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: trumandogz

You are kidding right? I little harsh, don’t ya think?


11 posted on 12/26/2008 12:42:01 PM PST by birddog (Hab 3:18)
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To: Lurker

I agree, at least with marijuana. Never things like crystal meth or pure heroin, any war on those has my support.

Just last week I watched a 1999 documentary, “Grass”, about the war on, ah, grass. Too heavy on the hippie angle, I think (why have they monopolized the public image of m.?). A good history, and it shows how much money is going into fighting that aspect of the drug war.

But Obama will be too wimpy to do anything about it, so this is all just fantasy-play anyway.


12 posted on 12/26/2008 12:51:29 PM PST by BlueStateBlues (Blue State for business, Red State at heart. Palin, 2012--can't come soon enough.)
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To: mysterio; Lurker

“Now, in the Netherlands, perhaps the most liberal European country, the government is now shutting down pot shops and legalized brothels. Apparently, organized crime is controlling both over there.”

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,464426,00.html


13 posted on 12/26/2008 12:53:48 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (....but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. John 3:19 NIV)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Should be “plata o plomo”. Silver or lead. Meaning, take the money, or take a bullet, your choice.


14 posted on 12/26/2008 12:55:00 PM PST by marron
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To: BlueStateBlues
Never things like crystal meth or pure heroin, any war on those has my support.

Not mine. Let every idiot over 21 buy all he or she wants at market prices, pharma grade.

In about 3 months those idiots will all be dead and the rest of us can get about the business of returning the Federal Government to its proper Constitutional role.

L

15 posted on 12/26/2008 12:55:09 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: SwinneySwitch
the government is now shutting down pot shops and legalized brothels. Apparently, organized crime is controlling both over there.”

Thereby guaranteeing that organized crime will have even more control and more access to the profits.

Well, nobody said Euros were smart when it comes to the concept of Freedom.

L

16 posted on 12/26/2008 12:57:34 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Lurker

lol You may be right, but would it be wrong? lol


17 posted on 12/26/2008 12:57:46 PM PST by BlueStateBlues (Blue State for business, Red State at heart.........Palin, 2012--can't come soon enough.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

If the pot shops are being run by criminals, solve the problem by selling the stuff at Walmart. If people want to use drugs, they should be able to grow them in their gardens. Much of it is just plant extracts anyway. The government didn’t do anything about it for 150 years, and this country was just fine.


18 posted on 12/26/2008 12:57:47 PM PST by mysterio
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To: Lurker

Pose a reasonable question and receive an insult instead of a logical answer. How classy.


19 posted on 12/26/2008 1:02:29 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: Eagles6
And I posted a reasonable thought experiment in reply.

So here it is, all nice and polite:

Pray dear Fellow Freeper answer this riddle;

Why doesn't the Budweiser guy shoot it out with the Miller guy over 'turf'?

I anxiously awaiteth your response.

Best,

L

20 posted on 12/26/2008 1:20:31 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Per usual, BOR is FOS. If Amsterdam is such a cesspool of crime, why is Amsterdam's murder rate about same as our safest cities?

There were 26 murders in Amsterdam in 2007 according to: www.expatica.com/nl/articles/news/Record-low-murder-rate-once-again.html

With a population of about 730,000, that works out to a murder rate of about 3.6/100,000.

San Jose has been ranked among the safest cities in the US over 500,000. According to city-data.com, the murder rate for 2007 was 3.5/100,000.

21 posted on 12/26/2008 1:20:49 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Lurker

Good.

What should we do with the human trafficking scum.

Maybe legalize Cat houses like in Nevada?

Then if they are trafficking children a life sentence with a work detail of some sort?


22 posted on 12/26/2008 2:00:18 PM PST by Global2010 (God Will see us through. Persevere.)
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To: Global2010
What should we do with the human trafficking scum.

Shoot them and hang their heads at the village gate.

Maybe legalize Cat houses like in Nevada?

As long as there's no force, fraud, or threat of force in the transaction, sure.

Then if they are trafficking children a life sentence with a work detail of some sort?

See my first response.

L

23 posted on 12/26/2008 2:07:08 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Lurker
"Why doesn't the Budweiser guy shoot it out with the Miller guy over 'turf'?"

Because they are employees in a legal enterprise working for a salary. If they had a history of criminal behavior they wouldn't be hired for the job. Criminals with a 3rd grade education and a felony record who are used to large, easy profits are not going to work at McDonalds because they can't make money selling dope. They will engage in some other high dollar, criminal enterprise such as the prescription drug blackmarket, home invasions, kidnap for ransom and robbery, just as it has happened in Columbia and Mexico.

BTW there is quite a bit of criminality involved in the upper levels of alcohol distributorships, just ask jesse jackson, jr.

24 posted on 12/26/2008 2:11:36 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: Eagles6
Because they are employees in a legal enterprise working for a salary.

Bingo.

If they had a history of criminal behavior they wouldn't be hired for the job.

Double bingo.

So legalize drugs and deny those with criminal backgrounds any chance at employment in that sector.

Results? Honest people in the trade, crooks looking for something else to do.

Everybody's a winner.

Except the crooks, of course.

"Just wait till we get Prohibition back, then we'll be back." Edward G. Robinson as Johnny Rocco in "Key Largo".

L

25 posted on 12/26/2008 2:16:05 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Lurker

Perhaps I didn’t make my point clearly. You may take the profit out of recreational drugs but the criminals will commit other crimes which are just as harmful to society or more so. We, “society”, are not winners. We may well end up with more addicts as some who would not try illegal drugs may give cocaine or such a try because it’s now legal.


26 posted on 12/26/2008 2:27:44 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: SwinneySwitch

I was with my family in Amsterdam a few months ago and it all seemed quite safe, safer than any city I have been to in the U.S.

Almost no violent crime and the worst property crime are bicycle thefts and a burglary here and there. Not like America.


27 posted on 12/26/2008 3:06:03 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: birddog

Of course I am kidding.

However, with the rant of the drug warrior/nanny state advocates here, I can see why you thought I might be serious.


28 posted on 12/26/2008 3:07:52 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Eagles6
So your argument is that because these crooks will still be crooks we should continue a failed Government program that costs billions every year, and in fact by every objective measure is a miserable failure.

Are you sure you're not a Democrat?

L

29 posted on 12/26/2008 3:48:57 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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Mexican drug gang tentacles reach Europe, Africa

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2153971/posts

I thought that Europe was the model for the nanny state??


30 posted on 12/26/2008 3:59:02 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (....but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. John 3:19 NIV)
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To: SwinneySwitch

No, in a Nanny State they toss you in jail for a few grams of pot because the Do Gooders want the State to be our nanny.


31 posted on 12/26/2008 4:12:28 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Lurker
"So your argument is that because these crooks will still be crooks we should continue a failed Government program that costs billions every year, and in fact by every objective measure is a miserable failure.

Are you sure you're not a Democrat?

L

Were you born an a$$ or is it a skill that you've perfected with a life of practice? So far 2 of your posts have been insulting and one condescending. It worked for Don Rickles, it doesn't seem to work for you.

You said that if the profit were gone from illegal drugs that the gangs would disappear, I argue to the contrary. I made no comment one way or the other regarding the prosecution of the war on drugs.

Have a nice evening.

32 posted on 12/26/2008 5:42:52 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: trumandogz

lol.... You are right I couldn’t tell.

There is a group of retired DEA/police/FBI officers that are trying to legalize drugs for one reason. Trying to fight it doesn’t work and we have wasted way too much money trying.

Hmmmm.... I can’t remember the name....


33 posted on 12/26/2008 5:45:29 PM PST by birddog (Hab 3:18)
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To: trumandogz

Here it is.....

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php


34 posted on 12/26/2008 5:49:03 PM PST by birddog (Hab 3:18)
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To: Eagles6
So far 2 of your posts have been insulting and one condescending.

Actually you've got that backwards, but no matter.

You said that if the profit were gone from illegal drugs that the gangs would disappear,

I said no such thing. I said they'd get out of the drug business, which history shows to be true.

Prohibition was repealed, alchohol was legalized, and the Gangs got out of the alcohol business because the huge profit margins vanished.

Absolutely the same thing would happen with drugs.

The gangs would move on to other more traditional criminal activities. But they would have to do it without the billions of dollars they earn from the drug trade.

That would be a net benefit to society.

L

35 posted on 12/27/2008 8:56:24 AM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Lurker
What we need to do is legalize this crap for anyone over the age of 21.

Let 'em sell it in 5 pound bags at Safe-Way.

Remove the huge black market profits and the gangs disappear.

L

Uhh...actually that's exactly what you said.

36 posted on 12/27/2008 9:39:38 AM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: Lurker

How big is the problem?

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drving.htm

In 2007, over 1.4 million drivers were arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol or narcotics.4

Drugs other than alcohol (e.g., marijuana and cocaine) are involved in about 18% of motor vehicle driver deaths. These other drugs are generally used in combination with alcohol.6


37 posted on 12/28/2008 9:29:13 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (....but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. John 3:19 NIV)
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Documentary brings big crowds

Film about Mexico drug wars shown twice because of number of attendees

BY MADELINE LEWIS - MLEWIS@VICAD.COM
December 30, 2008 - 11:21 p.m.

Members of Mexican drug cartels who carry out kidnappings and assassinations “call themselves security,” Rusty Fleming said.

The Dallas-area filmmaker would know. Since 2005, Fleming has spent a lot of time in Mexico or near the U.S. border investigating Mexican drug cartels for a book and documentary. The film, “Drug Wars: Silver or Lead,” screened twice Tuesday night at the Leo J. Welder Center for the Performing Arts in Victoria.

“Drug Wars” was originally slated to show only once, but an additional screening was held to accommodate the large number of people who came to see the film. Afterward, Fleming led a panel discussion with the audience.

A former cocaine addict and alcoholic, Fleming began working at the Rhema Ranch drug and alcohol rehab center in the Dallas-area nine years ago. In 2005, he observed a new trend among some of the young adults getting treatment at the center.

“I started noticing all these young kids, 18, 19, 20 years old, coming into rehab all torn up,” he said. “I had used for 20 years and I didn’t look as bad as they did.”

Many were addicted to ice, or crystal meth. Fleming decided to investigate the source of the methamphetamine. He initially planned to do a short film on the crystal meth supply in Texas, but his focus soon expanded to the Mexican drug cartels.

Since that time, Fleming has interviewed cartel members, law enforcement and victims of cartel violence, including William Slemaker from Laredo, who also attended the film screening Tuesday.

Four years ago, Slemaker’s 27-year-old stepdaughter, Yvette Martinez, and her friend, Brenda Cisneros, disappeared in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico. Slemaker found Martinez’s pearl white Mitsubishi Galant, but not his stepdaughter nor her friend. He hopes that they are still alive.

Cartel members kidnap some women to force them into prostitution or give them as gifts to their leaders, he said. These women are often just innocent bystanders.

“I hate it when people say that this only happens to people involved in drugs,” Slemaker said. “That is the biggest misconception that people have.”

Slemaker participated in the film because he believes it might help the effort to recover Martinez.

“To me, it means an avenue for someone out there with power and the means to help me find my daughter,” he said.

The Laredo man’s story inspired Fleming to continue the project after he was close to giving up.

“To know that so many people are missing and nobody’s looking, I had to get this story out,” Fleming said.

From his research, Fleming has concluded that law enforcement and American citizens are wrong to view Mexican cartel members as simply drug dealers.

“The number one thing the American people need to understand is what this problem is or they’ll never get to a solution,” he said. “This is a whole new generation of very smart, very powerful criminal minds and they are not drug cartels. They are narcoterrorists.”

To find out more about “Drug Wars” and future screenings of the film, go to the Web site, http://www. drugwarsthemovie. com/

25 Comments on this Article


38 posted on 12/31/2008 7:53:48 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (Hoping you have a Happy and Prosperous New Year!)
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To: AuntB; ronnyquest; Cvengr; CPT Clay; MNDude; BellStar; bayouranger; stan_sipple; time4good; ...

Update ping


39 posted on 12/31/2008 8:23:08 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (Hoping you will have a Happy and Prosperous New Year!)
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