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George W Bush: winning the war on terror
The Telegraph ^ | 12/26/2008 | Nile Gardiner

Posted on 12/26/2008 10:12:20 PM PST by bruinbirdman

~snip~

Widely seen as his biggest foreign policy error, the decision to invade Iraq could ultimately prove to have been a masterstroke. Today the world is witnessing the birth of the first truly democratic state in the Middle East outside of Israel. Over eight million voted in Iraq's parliamentary elections in 2005, and the region's first free Muslim society may become a reality. Iraq might not be Turkey, but it is a powerful demonstration that freedom can flourish in the embers of the most brutal and barbaric of dictatorships.

The success of the surge in Iraq will go down in history as a turning point in the war against al-Qaeda. The stunning defeat of the insurgency was a major blow both militarily and psychologically for the terror network. The West's most feared enemy suffered thousands of losses in Iraq, including many of their most senior commanders, such as Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Abu Qaswarah. It was the most successful counter-insurgency operation anywhere in the world since the British victory in Malaya in 1960.

The broader war against Islamist terrorism has also been a success. There has not been a single terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11, and for all the global condemnation of pre-emptive strikes, Guantanamo and the use of rendition against terror suspects, the fact remains that Bush's aggressive strategy actually worked.

Significantly, there have been no successful terrorist attacks in Europe since the July 2005 London bombings, in large part due to the cooperation between U.S., British and other Western intelligence agencies. American intelligence has proved vital in helping prevent an array of planned terror attacks in the UK, a striking demonstration of the value to Britain of its close ties to Washington.

President Bush, in contrast to both his father, George H.W. Bush, and Bill

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush; bush43; bushlegacy; iraq; middleeast; term2; wot

1 posted on 12/26/2008 10:12:21 PM PST by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman
A weaker leader would have gone to the United Nations Security Council and sought a negotiated settlement with Kabul.

We now have that weak President in 0bama.

SHTF sooner than later.

2 posted on 12/26/2008 10:18:26 PM PST by A message
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To: bruinbirdman

WOW

Great article.

And from a Brit, no less.

I am speechless


3 posted on 12/26/2008 10:25:00 PM PST by truemiester ((If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years))
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To: bruinbirdman
Harry Truman had low ratings when he left office. The appreciation for him grew over the years. Perhaps this will be true also for W.

My main criticism of President Bush has been on domestic spending, not on Iraq or the War on Terror--although his administration has not done a good job of *selling* those things, communicating the message.

4 posted on 12/26/2008 10:30:12 PM PST by Charles Henrickson
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To: truemiester
You won't hear EUrotopian government leadership slamming GW's terrorist policies. In fact they hold their tongues on most of his foreign policy.

We hear mostly from their chattering class; much like here at home.

yitbos

5 posted on 12/26/2008 10:32:59 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: truemiester

sad that we have to hear it from the brits first.

I love this part: [the surge] “ was the most successful counter-insurgency operation anywhere in the world since the British victory in Malaya in 1960. “

Bush has secured his well-earned place in history.


6 posted on 12/26/2008 10:38:04 PM PST by blueplum
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To: bruinbirdman
Excellent article.

God Bless President Bush and our brave troops.

7 posted on 12/26/2008 10:41:11 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: bruinbirdman

Amazing, someone actually gives President Bush the credit he richly deserves.


8 posted on 12/26/2008 10:46:27 PM PST by Clairity
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To: bruinbirdman

Good post.


9 posted on 12/26/2008 11:03:41 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: truemiester

Don’t you know that the Brits are the only honest journalists at this point in time? LOL!


10 posted on 12/26/2008 11:08:57 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: bruinbirdman
This I will ALWAYS remember:

"Either you are with us or you are for the terrorists."
~~George W. Bush

11 posted on 12/26/2008 11:09:49 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Charles Henrickson
Fighting terrorism has a price. IMHO, Money well spent.
12 posted on 12/26/2008 11:40:25 PM PST by oyez (Justa' another high minded lowlife.)
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To: bruinbirdman
Well now, let's review:

Of the three legs of the 'Axis of Evil', how many are left?

- North Korea, still alive and kickin' and Comrade Chia Pet retains whatever nuclear capability he had before the so-called 'Six Party Talks' started, and hundreds of thousands of North Koreans remain sold out by this Administration, by validating the genocidal regime in Pyongyang via abovementioned 'talks'.

- Iran, who we were told by our illustrious Commander-in-Chief, 'would not be allowed to have a nuclear weapon', is all but nuclear capable and this Administration has again (as in the case of North Korea) done essentially nothing to inhibit Tehran from achieving it's goals.

Add to the above the continued failure to enforce the integrity of our southern borders, the failure to round up and deport the 14+ million illegals that murder, rape, rob and pillage American citizens each and every day (not to mention refusing to pardon two Border Patrol Agents who had no business being railroaded into prison), and an increasingly intrusive and oppressive 'Department of Homeland Security' that trashes our individual freedoms detailed in the Bill of Rights as they see fit, and operate with little if any effective oversight.

So before anyone drops to their knees in classic worship of GWB to sing his praises, don't forget about his more than substantial failures.
13 posted on 12/26/2008 11:51:17 PM PST by mkjessup
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To: bruinbirdman
And that ain't the half of it.
14 posted on 12/27/2008 12:00:32 AM PST by Blue State Insurgent (Merry Fitzmas!)
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To: Salvation

This I will ALWAYS remember:
“Either you are with us or you are for the terrorists.”
~~George W. Bush


me too. this was one of the speeches why most of europe started hating him ;-)


15 posted on 12/27/2008 1:30:13 AM PST by austrian
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To: bruinbirdman

bump


16 posted on 12/27/2008 2:01:53 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: bruinbirdman
being a very proud former soldier, who joined after seeing Iraq firing scuds at Israel and others, I was was mad as hell. That night I decided to join the Army, hoping to be deployed to help in the mission. I was 27 yrs old. my career ended almost 5 yrs later. I was devastated. I wanted to make it my life. the point I'm trying to make is that it's not the president or any other elected official. It's the soldiers that are fighting this "war". I respect the president very much. he's got the hardest job in the USA. but way to many soldiers are dying and just as bad the ones coming back in need of VA services aren't getting it. I heard it from one of the top VA rep's on Dr. Phil, there are 800,000 complaints back logged. that's almost the same number that have returned..please reply someone..I hope I'm not the only former disabled soldier that knows the fight their in for..took me 8 yrs...I honestly believed the VA system was my friend..thought they would take care of my serious injury that has replaced the army career that I had all planned out..trust me please any soldier needing help from the VA, call a state representative..I would love to give some advice to any soldier trying to get medical help. The VA rep's are famous for finding a way to make an official finding saying your medical problem is prior service, unless they cant get away w/ that because it's too obvious..If u have PTSD..which some where between 90% & 99% serving soldiers return to the US from Iraq have symptoms of PTSD..And a large number need help as soon as they return because of the high number of suicides due to their PTSD. The VA says u have a mental health problem and your symptoms are in your mind.If I've offended anybody too bad, I'm sure you've never served our great nation.
17 posted on 12/27/2008 5:09:57 AM PST by happy2bamerican (i hope this helps at least 1 person)
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To: bruinbirdman

Great article! History will view Bush kindly. He has truly made the world a safer place.


18 posted on 12/27/2008 6:01:27 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: ContraryMary

Get back to us after the first Iranian nuclear detonation takes place.

In fact, if you would move to Israel and wait for that nudet, the blast might blow those blinders off from around your eyes.


19 posted on 12/27/2008 6:03:42 AM PST by mkjessup
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To: mkjessup
Get back to us after the first Iranian nuclear detonation takes place.

In fact, if you would move to Israel and wait for that nudet, the blast might blow those blinders off from around your eyes.

HaHaHaHaHaHaHa...ROTFL! What's a nudet ?

20 posted on 12/27/2008 6:08:06 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: bruinbirdman
...the fact remains that Bush's aggressive strategy actually worked.

Not aggressive enough for some, yet too aggressive for others.

The de-spining of the West is well underway. Our children are weaker than their predecessors.

21 posted on 12/27/2008 6:09:03 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: ContraryMary
NUDET = Nuclear Detonation. Not a laughing matter.
22 posted on 12/27/2008 6:18:02 AM PST by mkjessup
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To: mkjessup

NUDET is not a word. Nice try.


23 posted on 12/27/2008 6:19:56 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: ContraryMary
http://www.fas.org/spp/military/budget/peds_98f/0305913f.htm

Go check it out and educate yourself instead of displaying your ignorance.
24 posted on 12/27/2008 6:21:49 AM PST by mkjessup
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To: mkjessup
http://www.fas.org/spp/military/budget/peds_98f/0305913f.htm

Go check it out and educate yourself instead of displaying your ignorance.

Let me see...

You don't know the difference between a word and a military acronym...You don't know how to use acronyms in the written language...

This is boring. I'm still waiting for a cogent argument from you. I'm off to run Saturday errands. I'll check back sometime later...to see if you've actually come up with one.

25 posted on 12/27/2008 6:31:14 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: truemiester

It seems to me that when I was in England several years ago the Telegraph had columns by Mark Steyn as the war in Iraq approached. He made the point that in Canada where he was for a number of years there was a large Iraqi community and he did not hear anything except approval of removing Saddam Hussein.


26 posted on 12/27/2008 6:32:37 AM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: bruinbirdman

The fact that the “Shoe thrower” was not placed into a Meatgrinder, is proof that BUSH was right.


27 posted on 12/27/2008 7:33:02 AM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: ContraryMary
Let me see...
You don't know the difference between a word and a military acronym...You don't know how to use acronyms in the written language...
This is boring. I'm still waiting for a cogent argument from you. I'm off to run Saturday errands. I'll check back sometime later...to see if you've actually come up with one.


Yes, let's see. At no time did I state that 'NUDET' was a 'word'. YOU asked me "what is a nudet" and I provided the definition and explanation.

YOU then stated "there is no such word as nudet", when the issue of whether or not it was a word was never at issue. What was at issue was your ignorance in not knowing what 'nudet' referred to.

I provided a link for you to see the use of the term 'NUDET'. You then discovered that it was a legitimate term and that you had been speaking from ignorance. You then proceeded to falsely state that I didn't know the difference between a 'word' and an 'acronym'. Again, that was never the issue.

No 'cogent argument' was ever needed. You questioned what the term 'nudet' referred to, I told you. You said there was 'no such word', something I never suggested in the first place. Now you're trying to save face with a lame attempt to turn it all around as if I were the one wallowing in ignorance. That is commonly called 'projection' Mary, when you attempt to project your own shortcomings and issues upon someone else.

1.) You didn't know what 'nudet' referred to.

2.) You proclaimed that 'nudet' was not a word (which was never an issue).

3.) You then proceeded to squirm and attempted to suggest that I'm the one who doesn't understand words and acronyms.

I think you have adequately demonstrated your ignorance and arrogance in this matter.

But by all means, c'mon back for a few more whacks.
28 posted on 12/27/2008 8:43:42 AM PST by mkjessup
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To: bruinbirdman

“America’s 43rd president did after all directly liberate more people (over 60 million) from tyranny than any leader since Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt.”

The liberals can’t accept this. They point to the thousands of Iraqis who were killed rather than the millions who were freed.

While I like and generally agree with Nile Gardiner, I think he underestimates the Iranian regime when he says, “ The memory of the invasion of Iraq and the unequivocal message that sent is by far the most effective deterrent to Tehran developing a nuclear weapon.”


29 posted on 12/27/2008 8:50:40 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: mkjessup

And most of the terrorists killed in Iraq could have been killed in Afghanistan for a much lower cost.


30 posted on 12/27/2008 8:54:13 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: mkjessup
Of the three legs of the 'Axis of Evil', how many are left?

Two. Would you have preferred to see the US invade four countries simultaneously, or none in the first place?

Don't jump all over me, as you have others who dared question your genius, I'm just asking.

31 posted on 12/27/2008 9:46:05 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: mkjessup

lol...


32 posted on 12/27/2008 9:47:35 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: Moonman62
And most of the terrorists killed in Iraq could have been killed in Afghanistan for a much lower cost.

I'm not saying that the liberation of Iraq was necessarily a bad thing, not at all. Where the Bush Administration screwed up was allowing Tony Blair and other professional delay-artists to waltz us through the whole U.N. charade which allowed Saddam time to prepare, and allowed enough time to move materials and what-not from Iraq into Syria. We should have deadlined Saddam in 2002, instead of wasting a year dancing the Resolution Tango. Nevertheless, once Iraq was liberated, we reaped additional benefits in that Libya's Colonel Gadhafi saw the handwriting on the wall and voluntarily gave up his nuke program to the U.S. and the UK, rather than risk an involuntary regime change.

And it is convenient to forget that had we not disposed of Saddam like the garbage he was, that we would now have not one, but TWO rogue states in the Middle East (Iraq and Iran) racing to achieve a nuclear capability first. Iraq and Iran had already been at war for 8 years, there was no way Saddam would have permitted Ahmadinejerk to obtain a nuke and a strategic advantage over Iraq.

Once Saddam was gone, we should have been using a steamroller on any and all opposition, especially that puke Muqtada al-Sadr, we should have waxed his ass the first time he looked cross eyed at us, and made an example of him.
33 posted on 12/27/2008 11:47:56 AM PST by mkjessup
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To: Cyber Liberty
Of the three legs of the 'Axis of Evil', how many are left?
Two. Would you have preferred to see the US invade four countries simultaneously, or none in the first place?


Four invasions were not necessary. Iran could have been choked off early in the game had the United States exercised it's influence on a global scale by forcing other nations to choose between diplomatic and economic relations with the United States, or continuing to do business with the rogue regime in Iran. We could have literally forced Iran out of the United Nations had we played our cards right, by establishing a government-in-exile, be it by the son of the late Shah or some other political group, and given the U.N. an ultimatum: either expel Iran and grant official standing to the exile group, or the U.N. could pack up and get their asses out of the U.S. That's a simple black and white choice that the majority of Americans would have applauded. That's just one way we could have isolated and put an end to the Iranian regime. If we opted for military intervention, dropping a 1 meg nuke on (for example) the city of Tabriz (the Assahollah's home town) would have sent a message to each and every Iranian that if they didn't move fast to string up the mullahs and Ahmadinejerk and install a new regime, that they would all be enjoying the summer at Iran's new 'Green Glowing Sandy Beach'. The Persian mindset post-Khomeini has evolved into a delusional state which believes they are impervious and invulnerable to any and every outside threat. The little runt in charge right now has fed that belief at every opportunity. Iran NEEDS a major smackdown, and if we had a President who could back up his big-balls talk, with some big-balls action, Iran would already be well on the way to reestablishing itself as a force for stability as it was under the Shah, not as a threat to it's neighbors.

As for North Korea, the United States bought into the illusion that Pyongyang could be dealt with as with any other foreign power. Kim Jong Il is every bit as corrupt as Romania's former despot Ceauşescu, unfortunately the North Korean people have no real means of overthrowing him. If the U.S. had responded to their pipsqueak 'nuke test' in October 2006 with a precision air strike on the test facility, the chaos resulting would very likely have seen Kim Jong Il dangling from a wire like Mussolini.

All we needed to accomplish these things was sufficient resolve at the top of the chain of command.
34 posted on 12/27/2008 11:48:04 AM PST by mkjessup
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To: mkjessup

As I recall, Iran and N. Korea were alive and kicking after Reagan left office too. Are you saying Reagan screwed up? I guess he wasn’t a strong enough leader, huh? (smirk)


35 posted on 12/27/2008 12:41:19 PM PST by driftless2
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To: driftless2
Don't be a smart ass. Reagan did not stand up in front of the world and proclaim that Iraq, Iran and North Korea were all part of a greater 'Axis of Evil', those remarks were made by one George W. Numbnutz in 2001 who managed to take care of 1/3rd of his 'Axis', and did nothing about the other 2/3rds.

Get it right.
36 posted on 12/27/2008 12:52:31 PM PST by mkjessup
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To: bruinbirdman

I suppose there has been some progress, but the American people don’t know that or believe. Ramos and Compean will remain the visible evidence of the failure of GWB’s “compassionate conservatism”.


37 posted on 12/27/2008 8:21:25 PM PST by Theodore R. (GWB is neither "compassionate nor conservative.")
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To: driftless2

Reagan buckled many times to the Democrats on fiscal and other matters. His advisors told him that if he signed the King Day bill, it would bring blacks to the Repubican Party. He probably knew that was not the case. He did nothing with the attack on the KAL airliner that killed a U.S. representative. The one place he stood firm was at Reykjavik against his own RINO advisors, and then came Iran-Contra two or three weeks later. He seemed confused over Iran-Contra. Namcy was photographed telling him what to say at one point. I wish he had been more effective, but all three (going on four) of his successors make him look better.


38 posted on 12/27/2008 8:24:59 PM PST by Theodore R. (GWB is neither "compassionate nor conservative.")
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To: mkjessup

I think sealing the borders would have been preferable to the invasion of Iraq and a lot cheaper in manpower and $. That being said, I am glad that Iraq may be approaching a degree of freedom. But overall, the U.S. hasn’t been able to do that much to stem tyranny.


40 posted on 12/27/2008 8:27:10 PM PST by Theodore R. (GWB is neither "compassionate nor conservative.")
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To: ContraryMary

His failure to implement “compassionate conservatism” unless that was a mere code word for liberalism will overshadow some success on the war on terror. Ask Ramos and Compean about GWB “compassion”.


41 posted on 12/27/2008 8:28:46 PM PST by Theodore R. (GWB is neither "compassionate nor conservative.")
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To: mkjessup

You missed my point, genius. Like all anti-Bushbots you never give Bush credit for anything. If he does something in some area, well, he should have done more. In short, nothing he did will ever satisfy you so deep is your BDS. And quit trying to make yourself some sort of great analyst. You’re just another self-impressed ranter.


42 posted on 12/29/2008 10:15:06 AM PST by driftless2
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To: driftless2
You missed my point

Can't miss what was lacking in the first place. Now tighten the laces on those Bushbot kneepads, they must be pretty worn by now.
43 posted on 12/29/2008 12:22:29 PM PST by mkjessup
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To: mkjessup
"Bushbot"

I'd lay off the Chivas Regal and try Prozac. You need help.

44 posted on 12/30/2008 10:41:44 AM PST by driftless2
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To: driftless2

You’re projecting again. No surprise, lil Bushbot.


45 posted on 12/30/2008 12:24:38 PM PST by mkjessup
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