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As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.
WSJ ^ | DECEMBER 29, 2008 | By ANDREW OSBORN

Posted on 12/29/2008 6:34:55 AM PST by balls

MOSCOW -- For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the U.S. will fall apart in 2010. For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument -- that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the U.S. -- very seriously. Now he's found an eager audience: Russian state media.

Igor Panarin In recent weeks, he's been interviewed as much as twice a day about his predictions. "It's a record," says Prof. Panarin. "But I think the attention is going to grow even stronger."

Prof. Panarin, 50 years old, is not a fringe figure. A former KGB analyst, he is dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's academy for future diplomats. He is invited to Kremlin receptions, lectures students, publishes books, and appears in the media as an expert on U.S.-Russia relations.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Russia
KEYWORDS: america; coldwar2; igorpanarin; kgb; nwo; panarin; predictions; putin; russia; sovietunion; usa; ussr
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Wishfull thinking.
1 posted on 12/29/2008 6:34:55 AM PST by balls
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To: balls
predicting the U.S. will fall apart

Fine, lop off the blue parts and let them join ... Canada or Mexico. CSA and Republic of Greater Texas can be free countries.

2 posted on 12/29/2008 6:36:17 AM PST by Tax-chick (You exist, okay? YOU EXIST! Now stop talking to me!)
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To: balls
Prof. Panarin, 50 years old, is not a fringe figure. A former KGB analyst

LOL! LOL! LOL!

3 posted on 12/29/2008 6:36:28 AM PST by SolidWood (Sarah Palin - Everything that is Sweetness and Light!)
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To: balls

“In recent weeks, he’s been interviewed as much as twice a day about his predictions.”

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Of course he has.

The International Left and their Socialist Media, are ALSO pulling hard for the demise of the unprecedented freedom and personal responsibility and reward opportunities, represented by America.


4 posted on 12/29/2008 6:38:28 AM PST by EyeGuy
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To: balls
Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.

"Noted"

5 posted on 12/29/2008 6:38:47 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: balls

propaganda in support of a very long and ambitious strategy.


6 posted on 12/29/2008 6:40:09 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: balls
The guy could easily be right. I used to think the dem party could be reformed or gotten rid of at some point; I no longer believe that. Democracy is a good system for governing a fairly homogeneous people with shared ideals and values, but that's all it is. It cannot be made to work as a system for sharing power between two or more groups with nothing in common at all who basically just despise eachother. At that point, all you have left is a contest to see who can do the better job of gaming the system, which is what we have now.
7 posted on 12/29/2008 6:42:06 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: balls

I welcome a breakup of the States. Let California and Mass’ politicians keep their crud in their own states. We’d have to get rid of our governor but that shouldn’t be too hard.


8 posted on 12/29/2008 6:42:38 AM PST by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: balls
For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the U.S. will fall apart in 2010.

So the truth comes out. Obama is a KGB plot to destroy America.

9 posted on 12/29/2008 6:43:39 AM PST by Perseverando
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To: wendy1946

Excellent analysis.


10 posted on 12/29/2008 6:44:28 AM PST by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: balls

Electile failure envy, er, something like that.


11 posted on 12/29/2008 6:44:37 AM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: balls

It’s far more likely that Russia will disintegrate.


12 posted on 12/29/2008 6:44:40 AM PST by Tax Government
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To: wendy1946
Hammer, meet nail.
13 posted on 12/29/2008 6:44:41 AM PST by seatrout (I wouldn't know most "American Idol" winners if I tripped over them!)
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To: the invisib1e hand
propaganda in support of a very long and ambitious strategy.

Yup...the total destruction of the United States and the integration of its remnants into a single, global Government.

14 posted on 12/29/2008 6:44:52 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: balls

Sad to say most of what he is saying is true.

It can be stopped by the voterd but most are to stupid to understand what is going on.

To make matters worse most republicans think Bush was a good president.


15 posted on 12/29/2008 6:45:16 AM PST by stockpirate (Obama's COLB issue, where are Rush, Laura, Sean, Mark, Malkin?)
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To: balls

Wishful thinking that is shared by Barak Hussein Obama.


16 posted on 12/29/2008 6:47:20 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: balls

Russia again keeping its own crap system going by convincing its people everybody else has it worse.

I recall during the seventies the Soviet Union had its people convinced Americans were starving in the streets and gangs would soon rule America.


17 posted on 12/29/2008 6:47:37 AM PST by HD1200
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To: Tax-chick
Republic of Greater Texas can be free countries.

Texas + Oklahoma?

18 posted on 12/29/2008 6:47:49 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: demshateGod
I agree - most people would call this thinking a heresy but really why should we stay together? The opportunity to escape most federal taxes should be incentive enough for most thinking people.
19 posted on 12/29/2008 6:47:59 AM PST by wewereright
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To: Tax-chick

If mapped out county by county, there is a clear division of “RED” and “BLUE” country, with the red segment being more or less contiguous, and the blue segment badly fragmented.

The fragmentation may not fall the way the good professor seems to believe. But he has pinpointed the reasons it could, and probably shall, happen.


20 posted on 12/29/2008 6:48:06 AM PST by alloysteel (Balkanization - perhaps one of the few remaining ways to preserve American ideals.)
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To: balls

The United States has endured various minor insurrections, one major civil war, one Great Depression and Jimmy Carter ... we’ll be just fine and be here long - still squabbling of course - after Russia and its KGB types are just bad memories.


21 posted on 12/29/2008 6:48:08 AM PST by mgc1122
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To: balls

Does the good perfesser say anything about NFL re-alignment in the wake of the break-up of the USA? / sarc


22 posted on 12/29/2008 6:48:30 AM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: stockpirate
To make matters worse most republicans think Bush was a good president.

There's an element of truth to that: most people who didn't vote for him think he's a bad one.

23 posted on 12/29/2008 6:49:14 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: TLI

I will never join Texas!! Okay, maybe if it would mean we could finally be rid of Norman.


24 posted on 12/29/2008 6:50:38 AM PST by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; ApesForEvolution; aragorn; archy; backhoe; Badray; t_skoz; Becki; ...
CW2 Ping

"For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument -- that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the U.S. -- very seriously."


25 posted on 12/29/2008 6:50:58 AM PST by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: EyeGuy

Wrong! IMHO, the leftist media would not be sending out the warning call to Americans.

You must have missed the last 5-6 years of Hier Bush and his recent nationalizations of US business’s using the same model the NAZI’s used.

Meet the new boss, he’s the same as the old boss. (the Who)


26 posted on 12/29/2008 6:51:41 AM PST by stockpirate (Obama's COLB issue, where are Rush, Laura, Sean, Mark, Malkin?)
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To: balls; All

I heard the same crap when Reagan was President..


27 posted on 12/29/2008 6:52:49 AM PST by KevinDavis (Thomas Jefferson: A little rebellion now and then is a good thing)
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To: wendy1946
I think I already read this guy's theory and it has some serious flaws.

His theory sees the U.S. breaking up on a regional and racial basis. He basically sees the same type of dissolution seen during the failure of communist countries on an ethnic basis.

The major flaw in his theory is that the U.S. isn't a dictatorship with forced migration of one ethnicity into areas dominated by another. With the exception of Native Americans (a really small minority) you also don't have the long term history of conflict that you see in most of those communist nations.

His views are getting press because the old party communists in Russia want to believe that, since it happened to the USSR, it can happen to the USA.

28 posted on 12/29/2008 6:53:02 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: balls
West Virginia, Kentucky and Tennessee join the EU?

Texas part of Mexico?

Canada dominating the Northern States? Canada?

What a jackass.

29 posted on 12/29/2008 6:53:44 AM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President)
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To: Tax-chick

You rock, Tax chick! That’s an excellent idea.


30 posted on 12/29/2008 6:54:37 AM PST by DeLaine (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Jefferson)
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To: balls

I could very well see the USA falling apart in the next decade. We are stuck with debt we cannot possibly pay, there is a huge divide between parts of the country. Liberals on the coasts hate fly over country.


31 posted on 12/29/2008 6:54:53 AM PST by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: stockpirate

What have Bush’s lamentable policies got to do with my comments about a propagandizing Russian professor?

So why do you think the media is lining up at the door to interview this fool?

And what makes you think, STILL largely comfortable Americans are going to heed any sort of “warning call”?


32 posted on 12/29/2008 6:56:37 AM PST by EyeGuy
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To: 1rudeboy

“There’s an element of truth to that: most people who didn’t vote for him think he’s a bad one.”

Most cpnservatives who voted for him think he’s a bad president too.

But a lot of republicans, being leftists, support him because they agree with what he has done.

My favorite, he pardoned a drug dealer who was caught with 32 pounds of pure cocaine and let’s the two border agents rot in jail.

This shows me he is NOT even a good man as some try to claim.

I voted for this socialist twice, I will never cast my vote for the lesser of two evils.


33 posted on 12/29/2008 6:58:01 AM PST by stockpirate (Obama's COLB issue, where are Rush, Laura, Sean, Mark, Malkin?)
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To: 1rudeboy

“There’s an element of truth to that: most people who didn’t vote for him think he’s a bad one.”

Most cpnservatives who voted for him think he’s a bad president too.

But a lot of republicans, being leftists, support him because they agree with what he has done.

My favorite, he pardoned a drug dealer who was caught with 32 pounds of pure cocaine and let’s the two border agents rot in jail.

This shows me he is NOT even a good man as some try to claim.

I voted for this socialist twice, I will never cast my vote for the lesser of two evils.


34 posted on 12/29/2008 6:58:38 AM PST by stockpirate (Obama's COLB issue, where are Rush, Laura, Sean, Mark, Malkin?)
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To: TLI
Texas + Oklahoma?

And parts of New Mexico and Missouri. Why not? :-).

35 posted on 12/29/2008 6:59:53 AM PST by Tax-chick (You exist, okay? YOU EXIST! Now stop talking to me!)
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To: wendy1946

His predicted split looks reasonable, except I don't think Sarah will cede to Russia!

36 posted on 12/29/2008 7:00:05 AM PST by balls
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To: balls
Prof. Panarin, 50 years old, is not a fringe figure. A former KGB analyst....

Oxymoronic.

37 posted on 12/29/2008 7:00:07 AM PST by Lazamataz (Illegal Zombies: Just Eating the Brains that Ordinary Americans Won't Eat)
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To: balls
ROFLOLOLOL Alaska will go to RUSSIA? ROFLOLOL Now that is wishful thinking on the part of these X KGB agents.

AZ and UT going to China and Japan is another laugh. The Mormons would sit quietly and await religious oppression?

As for the South, does that moron really think we Southerners will sit back and let Mexico take us over?

I'll tell everyone like they say now South -

“AW HELL NAW”

38 posted on 12/29/2008 7:02:02 AM PST by Paige ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," Edmund Burke)
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To: DeLaine

My family enjoys alternate-histories.


39 posted on 12/29/2008 7:02:23 AM PST by Tax-chick (You exist, okay? YOU EXIST! Now stop talking to me!)
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To: balls

Yawn. Stalin said the same thing...where is he now?


40 posted on 12/29/2008 7:03:00 AM PST by AnnGora (I am unique. Just like everybody else.)
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To: USNBandit

You said — “The major flaw in his theory is that the U.S. isn’t a dictatorship with forced migration of one ethnicity into areas dominated by another. With the exception of Native Americans (a really small minority) you also don’t have the long term history of conflict that you see in most of those communist nations.”

Ummm.., well the Indians are already “breaking away” claiming that their treaty as a sovereign nation was violated and they are returning to their sovereign nation status... LOL...


41 posted on 12/29/2008 7:05:17 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: balls

If something as abominably deficient of morality and economic sanity as the Russian “federation” can survive in any form, then the USA has not much to worry about.


42 posted on 12/29/2008 7:05:56 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: USNBandit

Here are a couple of links for the breakaway Republic...

http://www.republicoflakotah.com/

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/12/lakota-withdraw.html


43 posted on 12/29/2008 7:08:13 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: stockpirate

“I will never cast my vote for the lesser of two evils.”

I’ve said this since Bush gave my money to the Malthusians wanting to experiment on babies they murdered. I voted for him again. Then I voted for McCain who I vowed to never vote for back in 2000. The draw to vote against leftist bogeymen is too powerful.

I’m certain I wouldn’t vote for even the most conservative RINO, Tom Coburn. But I probably will. I’ll probably vote for the next sorry RINO, Jeb Bush, the RNC anoints as our candidate.


44 posted on 12/29/2008 7:08:39 AM PST by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: Tax-chick

I read a book once like that, I think it was made into a movie or TV show.
Interesting. Feel free to recommend more to me. :)


45 posted on 12/29/2008 7:08:44 AM PST by DeLaine (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Jefferson)
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To: stockpirate
I voted for this socialist twice, I will never cast my vote for the lesser of two evils.

I won't either, but am very fearful from the signs in this election and the one going on in MN today, that we'll be fortunate to have fair elections again. Exposing the fraudulence of this election should be job #1 for any new GOP Chairman. If Mike Duncan gets back in as head of the GOP, it doesn't look good. Under his leadership, the GOP has done very, very little to expose this and attempt to change it.

46 posted on 12/29/2008 7:09:26 AM PST by AmericanGirlRising (Buying carbon credits will not get me into Heaven. I am second - http://iamsecond.com/#/home/)
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To: balls

Every state has been invaded by liberalism. To not be able to live together would mean one group would have to leave or each state be divided into a north and south.That would not leave much of a map to connect the the dots to join with other states. A true mess we are in.


47 posted on 12/29/2008 7:09:30 AM PST by CindyDawg (Lord, please bless America)
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To: DeLaine

Some authors: Daniel da Cruz, Harry Turtledove.


48 posted on 12/29/2008 7:11:44 AM PST by Tax-chick (You exist, okay? YOU EXIST! Now stop talking to me!)
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To: balls

I like that map alright. I don’t think that guy gets Americans in Flyover country though. In my office of about 50 people there’s only one homo that’d merge with Mexico, Canadistan, China, or the Europistan.


49 posted on 12/29/2008 7:12:55 AM PST by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: balls
Hawaii, he suggests, will be a protectorate of Japan or China, and Alaska will be subsumed into Russia.

"It would be reasonable for Russia to lay claim to Alaska; it was part of the Russian Empire for a long time."

From Saturday Night Live

Gov. Sarah Palin (Tina Fey): Every morning, when Alaskans wake up, one of the first things they do is look outside and see if there are any Russians hanging around. If there are, you gotta go up to them and ask, "What are ya' doing here?" And if they can't give you a good reason then, it's our responsibility to say, you know, "Shoo! Get back over there!"

It is also interesting that he plans for Canada (population 33 million) to absorb the north central states (population 73 million). I think for lunch I'll eat a whole bear, too.

50 posted on 12/29/2008 7:13:17 AM PST by KarlInOhio (11/4: The revolutionary socialists beat the Fabian ones. Where can we find a capitalist party?)
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