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To: vivalaoink
From the article: 'Taking a pledge doesn't seem to make any difference at all in any sexual behaviour,' said researcher Janet Rosenbaum of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland. 'But it does seem to make a striking difference in condom use and other forms of birth control.'

Couldn't find much of what is behind this study, but it does seem to be her area of focus (virginity pledges)

I do know that planned parenthood and other like to push this talking point. Not sure why the British Press would be interested in a US report by a private individual.

SEICUS is a sex positive teaching advocate (FOR active sexuality, it is a birthright, abstinence is unhealthy because it is a supression of sexual desires...)...

They are affiliated with some of these studies and have a side in this debate. Just saying that it would be nice if someone who comes to this issue WITH a conclusion already in mind were upfront about biases.

8 posted on 12/30/2008 11:31:14 AM PST by weegee ("Let Me Just Cut You Off, Because I Don't Want You To Waste Your Question" - B.Obama Dec 16, 2008)
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To: weegee

They took the raw data (which does show that people who take pledges have sex less than those who don’t), and massaged it.

Specifically, they decided that comparing “pledgies” with “non-pledgies” wasn’t rational, since pledgies were more likely to be people who wouldn’t have sex. So they looked for OTHER factors like upbringing, religion, etc, to “weight” the information.

Once they had “comparable groups”, they found that within a “comparable group”, those who took the pledge had sex just as much as those who didn’t, but those who took the pledge were less likely to have a condom or birth control.

Now, the 2nd part is simply common sense. If you have pledged not to have sex, you probably are not on the pill, and probably don’t have condoms around.

On the other hand, the idea that you can find comparable groups in which you can then differentiate between pledgers and non-pledgers is problematic.

For example, suppose you have two girls of similar looks and circumstances, both from conservative christian homes. Both are taught not to have sex before marriage.

Which of the two is more likely to “take the pledge”? The one that feels more drawn to having sex. The pledge is a tool to help you resist temptation. A girl who has no interest in sex may not feel necessary to take the pledge, the girl who is getting pressure to have sex might take the pledge to help fend off the pressure.

Which means that, absent the pledge, it is likely the “pledgers” would have more sex than the non-pledgers.

The point is that “taking the pledge” is not some independent variable. A person’s circumstances is what DRIVES them to take the pledge, or not.

47 posted on 12/30/2008 2:54:44 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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