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Mall Brawl Raising Safety Concerns At Mayfair (Milwaukee)
http://www.wisn.com/news/18384739/detail.html ^ | December 30, 2008

Posted on 12/30/2008 7:36:53 PM PST by hercuroc

WAUWATOSA, Wis. -- A brawl at the Mayfair Mall is causing people to raise questions about the ongoing security problems at the shopping center.

Mall administrators have not commented on the incident.

Police said that a fight broke out between two men outside the mall’s Wet Seal store on Friday.

After some initial brawling, the fight spilled into the store and as many as eight more people joined the fray.

Police said that the battle turned the store into a mess and all the combatants scattered.

Mall surveillance cameras helped capture three of the people who allegedly took part; they are all facing disorderly conduct citations.

“It's scary because young kids like my brother go there and he wouldn't go back shopping there by himself with his friends if there's fights there without a parent,” Heidi Fregien, of Wauwatosa, said.

Word of the brawl drew mixed reaction among shoppers, some of whom said that they don’t feel unsafe at the mall.

“I think the problems have been pretty sporadic here over the course of the years. [The] movie theatre, I know they say brings in a lot of the problems,” Random Lake resident Darin Retzer said.

Mayfair has faced similar problems in the past. In 2002, a fight at the theatre made headlines.

In 2007, the mall instituted new rules after several other incidents. It required an adult chaperone for anyone under 18 on Fridays and Saturdays.

Those rules didn't apply at the time, officers said.

Of the 10 alleged fighters, the three men taken into custody were adults.

"I think they need to up security, if it's that big of a problem, [you should] have more cops present," shopper John Murray said. "When I was young, you had your parents drop you off at the mall or the movies, you hung out and you caused trouble. That's what they're doing."

Murray said fights have been part of the shopping mall culture as long as he can remember.

All three suspects have dates in Wauwatosa Municipal Court in February. They face $600 disorderly conduct tickets.


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Video at link...young toughs tear up a Wet Seal store.
1 posted on 12/30/2008 7:36:53 PM PST by hercuroc
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To: hercuroc
Are these two of the perps?


2 posted on 12/30/2008 7:41:25 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

Sorry wrong color.


3 posted on 12/30/2008 7:42:03 PM PST by hercuroc
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To: hercuroc

Another Obama Voter meeting? Like the one at the Wal-Mart in New York on Black Friday.


4 posted on 12/30/2008 7:42:39 PM PST by Patrick1 (conform and celebrate diversity¬Ö.or else!!!)
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To: hercuroc

“Sorry wrong color.”

And that has what to do with anything?


5 posted on 12/30/2008 7:44:27 PM PST by gracesdad
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To: USNBandit
Are these two of the perps?

sigh..you are so behind the times..here is a picture of the actual fighting..


6 posted on 12/30/2008 7:44:42 PM PST by BerniesFriend
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To: hercuroc

Mayfair is awful! Used to be a nice mall with great stores. Now, I get the whimwhams every time I go. Thugs everywhere.


7 posted on 12/30/2008 7:44:58 PM PST by ozaukeemom (Nuke the ACLU and their snivel rights)
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To: BerniesFriend

Yeah, but your gang members aren’t from Milwaukee.


8 posted on 12/30/2008 7:47:15 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: hercuroc

There are two big problems at Mayfair.

First one is the recently-added movie Marcus movie theater. It has attracted the gangbanger type of crowd, as well as a ton of black teens that are powder kegs waiting for someone to piss them off and prove what tough sh1ts they are. They mill around after movies, and words get exchanged and this crap happens.

Second is the bus route that buses most of these people here.

It is an urban black youth problem. Everyone knows it. Nobody has balls enough to say it publicly. They are busing Milwaukee’s troubled kids to Mayfair and this stuff happens.

They need to get rid of the movie theater. That will stop many of these people from coming to the mall in the first place, as they don’t come there to actually SHOP.

Second, they need to get rid of the bus routes to Mayfair. They can drop people off nearby, a few blocks away, but it will be inconvenient enough for gangbangers who don’t want to walk that far to go to a place that doesn’t have anything for them to do - as the theater will be gone.


9 posted on 12/30/2008 7:47:47 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: hercuroc

Hey, they interviewed Harry from Third Rock from the Sun!


10 posted on 12/30/2008 7:47:54 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body. -C.S. Lewis)
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To: USNBandit

Just as I suspected—rampaging Amish youth again.


11 posted on 12/30/2008 7:48:02 PM PST by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: hercuroc

Whoa!

Dig the grandma reporter!


12 posted on 12/30/2008 7:48:55 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: hercuroc

I heard mayfair went ghetto long time time ago. used to be a nice place back in the late 70’s early 80’s. I wounder how the rest of the town is doing. - There is a reason I don’t go back :o)


13 posted on 12/30/2008 7:49:41 PM PST by ezoeni
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To: hercuroc

You think they would be too tired to fight, after a long day of productive labor. They were probably arguing over whether MIT or Caltech has the more stringent curriculum/s


14 posted on 12/30/2008 7:50:12 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: gracesdad
And that has what to do with anything?

You obviously don't live near Milwaukee so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.Watch the video and you'll be clued in.

Young blacks are ruining this mall the same way they did with one called Northridge nearby-which is presently closed and boarded up.

15 posted on 12/30/2008 7:52:42 PM PST by hercuroc
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To: ezoeni

Bayshore isn’t too bad and Brookfield seems OK. Mayfair has some stores they don’t, but it isn’t worth the hassle. Grafton is getting some more stores, but I doubt we will get a mall.


16 posted on 12/30/2008 7:55:26 PM PST by ozaukeemom (It's Obama's fault (just practicing))
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To: ezoeni

I live in Milwaukee. Mayfair is one of the premier malls, good facilities BUT it attracts the bad elements. Recently, they stupidly decreased security. They also instituted a strict curfew for minors, but these guys were over 18. They should get rid of the movie theater and any stores that attract the wrong type.


17 posted on 12/30/2008 7:55:53 PM PST by TommyC1
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To: hercuroc
Police said that the battle turned the store into a mess and all the combatants scattered. Mall surveillance cameras helped capture three of the people who allegedly took part; they are all facing disorderly conduct citations.

Some tough police force up there in Milwaukee.

18 posted on 12/30/2008 7:58:19 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: BerniesFriend
Huh. I was just *sure* this guy had something to do with it:


19 posted on 12/30/2008 7:58:25 PM PST by DemforBush (Millions of conservatives have got your back, Sarah!)
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To: hercuroc

You got that right. When we watch the news, you can almost always tell if they say something happened in a given area, who the perps are. It is a shame that I can say that, but it is the truth.


20 posted on 12/30/2008 7:58:51 PM PST by ozaukeemom (It's Obama's fault (just practicing))
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To: hercuroc

I’ve seen the video. The problems at my local mall were caused my a mixture, but mostly redneck white toughs. In Russia, the punks who randomly beat people up for fun are all white. Again, what does the color of any of them have to do with anything?


21 posted on 12/30/2008 8:01:29 PM PST by gracesdad
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To: BenLurkin

She’s probably younger but they keep her outside all winter.
Way too many live remotes.


22 posted on 12/30/2008 8:01:53 PM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: Frank_2001

These guys very well could have attended “MIT.” Many years ago, Milwaukee Area Technical College (a 2 year community college) used to be named Milwaukee Institute of Technology (MIT) because it taught technical stuff like running a machine tool. Endless confusion, hilarity and jokes re Milwaukee MIT vs. Massachusetts MIT.


23 posted on 12/30/2008 8:02:00 PM PST by TommyC1
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To: DemforBush
That movie was awesome!

Warriors come out to plaaaayyy!

24 posted on 12/30/2008 8:03:28 PM PST by hercuroc
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To: hercuroc
John Murray said. "When I was young, you had your parents drop you off at the mall or the movies, you hung out and you caused trouble. That's what they're doing."

When I was young, we didn't.

25 posted on 12/30/2008 8:05:36 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: gracesdad

It matters because in Milwaukee, this never happens with non-blacks, especially at Mayfair. It’s the culture that produces this behavior, not the skin color. It just happens that in Milwaukee, the culture of violence exits in the black community. BTW, this isn’t racist, its just the facts in this town. Other places might be different.


26 posted on 12/30/2008 8:05:45 PM PST by TommyC1
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To: gracesdad; hercuroc
"And that has what to do with anything"

As a candidate Obama allowed that certain anti social behaviors and values were inherent to the white race. 53% of the voters found such analysis acceptable.

Forget it if you think that crap is going to be a one way street anymore.


27 posted on 12/30/2008 8:08:53 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: TommyC1

I used to, I left in 91. Where are the ghetto boundaries now? when I left it was heading west up past 60th going up Fond Du Lac to the north out of the ghetto. Capital court mall was closed and I think torn down.

I grew up in the St. Marget Mary Parish area - 92nd and Lisbon /Capital Dr.

North Ridge is boarded up?


28 posted on 12/30/2008 8:15:24 PM PST by ezoeni
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To: hercuroc

bump


29 posted on 12/30/2008 8:15:39 PM PST by gibsosa
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To: TommyC1

I went there after my 4 year degree. The teachers back then at night school were really good. they were professionals that actually had a day job. I learned there.


30 posted on 12/30/2008 8:18:50 PM PST by ezoeni
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To: gracesdad

We had a similar ‘brawl’ at Triangle Towne Center in Raleigh a few months ago. Several hundred urban youths clashed in the mall and the parking lot.

In the following days, youths of all colors were banned from the mall after dark unless accompnied by parents.

Those kids of the color not found to be rioting were somewhat put out by the non-deserved punishment.


31 posted on 12/30/2008 8:19:13 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution - 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: hercuroc

Northridge. Grand Avenue. Capitol Court. it’s not like it is unpredictable.


32 posted on 12/30/2008 8:23:56 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Your post is 100% accurate.

The bus lines and the theatre ARE the problem at Mayfair Mall. A black guy at my workplace (who’s originally from Milwaukee) says the same thing. He’s one of those few black guys who’s a white wannabe.

Wauwatosa is no prize either these days. Being a first-ring suburb, it’s starting the see some of the dregs of Milwaukee move in there - especially in the apartments.


33 posted on 12/30/2008 8:25:28 PM PST by MplsSteve
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To: gracesdad

“Sorry wrong color.”

‘And that has what to do with anything?’


It has plenty to do with it if 12% of the population is habitually terrorizing the remaining 88% and people are intimidated and unwilling to confront their attackers.

Tyranny of the minority - you’ve probably never heard that term.


34 posted on 12/30/2008 8:27:09 PM PST by Rembrandt
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To: hercuroc

Born & raised in Milwaukee. Lived years ago near Mayfair. At that time (the 80’s) it was the city’s premier mall. Haven’t been back in many years; hard to imagine that people are afraid to go there. But then again, I can remember when Northridge was the place to go (Actually, I can remember when it was a cornfield). Once was a very nice area. Can’t believe the mall is now boarded up.

I also remember Capital Court, Milwaukee’s first mall. For years it was a high class place to shop, back in the 60’s. But slowly it went downhill along with the neighborhood. If I’m not mistaken it was razed years ago.

My family now lives on the south side, and when I’m back in town we shop at Southridge, which is still quite a nice area to shop.


35 posted on 12/30/2008 8:27:32 PM PST by tjd1454
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To: gracesdad

Let’s start over, shall we?

In this post... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2156517/posts?page=2#2

...two white guys were pictured. As a joke.

In this post ... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2156517/posts?page=3#3

...someone said, Sorry, wrong color.

Meaning. The color of the yutes in the video were a different color than the picture in post two.

It was not meant as a racial slur.

Have a nice evening.


36 posted on 12/30/2008 8:28:40 PM PST by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for Israel. Pray for the US.)
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To: DemforBush

WARRIORS, come out and pla...ay.


39 posted on 12/30/2008 8:35:24 PM PST by Surtur
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To: Surtur
  1. Born and raised in Wauwatosa, living most of my formative years (1962-1975) living about 3/4 of a mile west of Mayfair. Can still recall it as an unenclosed mall, the advent of the ice rink in the center of the enclosed mall, the construction of the outer perimeter office towers, etc.
  2. I worked at the mall (landscaping crew) the summer between HS and college, then the summer between my freshman year and sophomore year of college. At that time, mid-1970's the mall had a Barney Fife-like security guard who drove a powder blue International Scout with a blue light on the dash. Routinely the guy would follow black people who walked thorough the parking lot, perhaps enough to intimidate them into not coming back.
  3. There were essentially no black patrons then (mid 70's).
  4. Northridge Mall was deconstructed years ago. Some stand alone stores exist on the property that was once the mall - but the problem of unruly mall patrons was eliminated by eliminating the mall itself.
  5. The area around Mayfair has seen a number of these rumbling incidents - several years ago the Denny's on North avenue about 1/3 of a mile west of the shopping center erupted into a free for all at 3:00 am - when black patrons started throwing anything that wasn't bolted down. The security videos were a hoot, until I realized that my parents still live about 3/4 of a mile west of Mayfair Mall. They have spent 35 years watching this stuff move west across Milwaukee County. I hope they can still sell their home and move out.

40 posted on 12/30/2008 8:59:49 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: gracesdad
Don't be naive. Statistically, young black males commit more violent crime than does any other group in the United States. "Based on data for the years 1976-2005, Blacks are disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rates for blacks were 6 times higher than those for whites. The offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher the rates for whites" 1. I'd be happy to post more supporting data if you don't believe me.

The truth hurts, but refusing to face the truth doesn't make it any less true.

41 posted on 12/30/2008 9:04:51 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: hercuroc

Wow! Northridge is closed and boarded up!?! I lived in Milwaukee from 1978 to 1981, then moved to Arizona. Back in the day, Northridge was a nice mall in a good area. Mayfair was nice, too. Is Southridge still there? Lots of high school memories...


42 posted on 12/30/2008 9:08:41 PM PST by Enough_Deceit (Proud Mama of a US Marine and a US Soldier Bitterly Hanging On to Her Guns and Religion. Ooorahh!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

It’s not a Marcus theater, it’s an AMC theatre. AMC isn’t from Milwaukee and they don’t give a damn about the community.


43 posted on 12/30/2008 9:13:51 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: Enough_Deceit
Southridge is still in business.

There is a housing project near Northridge on 91st St.

Northridge was a few blocks away so the young toughs would hang out there all day.People got sick of the hassle and crime and now it's closed up.

I went shopping there maybe a year before it closed and it was really intimidating inside.

44 posted on 12/30/2008 9:16:45 PM PST by hercuroc
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To: MediaMole

You are right, I forgot. I even know they have an AMC logo on the outside. AMC is a worse chain than Marcus.


45 posted on 12/30/2008 9:17:31 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: BerniesFriend

Now paint them all black looking like gangster rappers pissed at the whole world, and you’ll have it right.


46 posted on 12/30/2008 9:18:29 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: hercuroc
"Your Honor, these two Wisconsin yutes....."


47 posted on 12/30/2008 9:21:51 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: Southsider
It’s not just culture, it’s also biology. For one thing, blacks have more testosterone than whites. That’s just a fact. Even the New York Times has admitted that in passing.

Yes, it is fact. I work with two young white woman who live with, support, have children by black men. They also help support the illegitimate children the men have with other women. Both men have cheated on these girls a number of times. One, having found that her mate had cheated with one of her friends, asked me why he and her previous black loves were unfaithful. I told her it was their high testosterone and she should find her an Asian man.

48 posted on 12/30/2008 9:27:15 PM PST by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: hercuroc

I remember going to Northridge when my son was young(in a stroller). Thankfully, I recognized that the “group” forming in the mall was a mob in the making. I grabbed my little boy and hightailed it out. Now, it is torn down, a Menards(I think), Best Buy and Toys R Us are still there. I really hate going to Brown Deer. It is very obvious I am not welcome.


49 posted on 12/30/2008 9:37:12 PM PST by ozaukeemom (It's Obama's fault (just practicing))
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

yeah my parents too


50 posted on 12/30/2008 9:40:09 PM PST by ezoeni
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