Skip to comments.Obama's Kenyan birth evidence to be revealed today, online
Posted on 12/31/2008 6:25:00 AM PST by mlizzy
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You said — “Great post. It appears the deceiver star travler has been revealed.”
He posted it after complaining to the Admin Moderator that I was not supposed to be talking to him anymore... LOL..
And then when I posted him and the Admin Moderator saying — which is it supposed to be — talk or not — he shut up and didn’t post anymore...
I would suspect that he just wanted to post something *after* he complained that I could *not* post to him any more...
An interesting tactic... :-)
I've got a whacky Bichon; doesn't eat monitors, though.
Im still trying to figure out why a divorce decree would include the place of birth of the minor child.
I do wonder what Berg’s angle is on this. He is an old line union councilieri.
You said — “Thanks.. I would appreciate some links on what the founders intended. My research, which is limited compared to yours, suggested it was unclear, and if it went to SCOTUS they would probably say well, the Congress of 1790 clarified it, and a number of them were Founders, so, thats as close of a definition as we are going to get.”
Berg says, in his court filings, that the problem here is that there is no law to enforce what the Constitution says. Now..., that’s what Berg, himself says, right in the court documents — addressed to the court — as a “rationale” for why they have to intervene.
So, I would say that this is true... and that’s definitely a big part of the problem...
And then you said — “Meanwhile, the anti-Obama crowd only hurts itself buying into talk radio scam-artists who say the evidence is going to arrive by 2nd class mail.”
The problem here is that the anti-Obama crowd that latches onto these allegations and spurious pieces of information and who have no proof of anything, only a lot of speculation on the subject — is that — they are willing to “believe just about anything” — as long as it’s “anti-Obama.”
For myself, I would rather find a really solid way to deal with Obama and I would really and seriously question anything that comes through on this issue — because so much if it isn’t getting anywhere.
And that’s precisely why I think we need those state laws, just like Berg says is the problem...
This is getting better and better.
How many people think Obamanation will be removed from office? I do.
My biggest gripe with the birth certificate is that every on this board has had to present theirs to be considered to drive,go to school or get a job. Why is the (potential)President of the US not being held to that same standard as us peons. He will have the NUKE CODES.
Great stuff here and there are several answers.
The first that comes to mind is the white guilt thing that the entire election has been about. Axelrod very slickly and early on made the election about race. First to take out Hillary and then later to neutralize us.It worked.
The old mantra that you can't expect anything from a Democrat--they are so entitled-- was also in play and they have used it to bring on their finest hour.
In addition the DBM has played ever so important a part. At any time in this fiasco if they (or our not so blessed talk radio) had got on board and demanded that he prove who the hell he is, his history, where he came from etc. and a zillion other questions, the shit would have hit the fan.
Neither one did so here we are.
You asked — “I do wonder what Bergs angle is on this. He is an old line union councilieri.”
I really don’t know... Perhaps he’s “deep-cover” for Hillary Clinton, just to keep Obama in fits... maybe... :-)
The other angle (which I would hate to think is true) is that he’s part of the “Dark Socratic methodology” and he’s just doing this to distract a lot of conservatives, to keep them wrapped up in this and away from what else Obama is doing. I don’t know whether Berg has been duped in this or is part of it. I just can’t tell...
So has this “evidence” been released yet? Wasn’t “Today” actually yesterday at this point?
You asked — “So has this evidence been released yet? Wasnt Today actually yesterday at this point?”
Well..., I don’t know if Ed Hale is going to “churn” this issue as Chief Editor Korir did with the Michelle Obama tape. That guy (Korir) really knew how to keep people going and going and going. He did it for two months and did not stop until a few days back. It was amazing.
Now, I hope Ed Hale is not like this. I suspect that there are not too many people like Chief Editor Korir. However, Ed Hale was involved in that fiasco, even if for a short while (when he said he had a contract to air the tape on his show).
Maybe someone is “taking Ed for a ride” — just like Chief Editor Korir did to him. Who knows...
As always.., “time will tell...”
Update 1/1/2009, 3:36am CT - In his 7:45pm Plains Radio broadcast, this last night, Ed Hale backed down from his prior assertion of having gained even uncertain information about the Barack Sr. / Stanley Ann divorce decree containing language referring to Barack Jr. as being born in Kenya. Instead, Hale referred to an apparently tricky recollection... of an indeterminate person... referring to such a document’s generally referring to the place of birth of the children of the divorced parents. That is not what I heard from Mr. Hale on the 31st.
Two people reported during the broadcast that they had contacted Hale’s private investigator yesterday, who indicated he did not thoroughly read the documentation and does not know how it addresses Barack Obama Jr. — nor did he make a copy for himself. It would appear that Hale will receive a valid copy of this decree, probably Friday, 1/2. What it states will be what it states. He promises to post and report, as described below.
If there was anything incriminating, it’s hard to imagine that not having already been conducted electronically.
But at the least Hale can regain points on integrity if he does put out a certified copy of whatever arrives.
Thanks for the information on the Fedx procedures. It makes the delay understandable.
Okay, so the connection between the site you linked to that had videos that had nothing to do with the discussion; is that jimmy and Korir are the same person. Got it.
You said — “Okay, so the connection between the site you linked to that had videos that had nothing to do with the discussion; is that jimmy and Korir are the same person. Got it.”
The connections are the Obama birth certificate issue (qualification issue), being born in Kenya, Chief Editor Korir saying that Michelle Obama called him and told him that Obama was born in Kenya, Berg became Korir’s lawyer here, Ed Hale thought he had a contract to air the tape on his show (kinda like what is going on now), Ed Hale got mad at Korir, when Korir said he was going to Fox News, Ed Hale finally dropped out and didn’t pursue it any more, Berg has fallen silent on representing Korir, the chief editor eventually said that he turned the tape over to Obama (and/or his team), Korir shut off all the previous press releases where he said all that was going on with Berg, with Fox News, with Ed Hale and with Obama, Korir then set up a new blog, separate from his API, but linked to it and uses his name on it (along with the copyright info for API), and on that site shows the reason why he perpetrated the hoax on people — basically because they’re so stupid for believing such a thing that they should be punished for it...
That’s the connection here with Ed Hale, with Berg and with a hoax about Obama and the birth in Kenya...
It’s starting to sound like Ed Hale is following the same pathway that Chief Editor Korir followed when one delay after another happened. People kept thinking it was going to be “tomorrow” but tomorrow turned into yesterday and last week. That’s why it’s sounding an awfully lot like Chief Editor Korir with Ed Hale right now...
BUT, I was willing to “let it play out” with Chief Editor Korir — and so I’m more than happy to see it play out with Ed Hale, too... LOL..
So this Dark Socrates dude - Jimmy Korir (Chief editor of something or other) is a college student whose purpose was originally to argue with creationists, since he is an atheist and wants to promote atheism.
So he invented for the first time in history, a reverse Socratic method, and all this stuff - Berg, Hale and the African tapes - are all his mind game. ?
He describes this thing on the last video. “Stupid people should be punished”. And I would assume that among “stupid people” he includes anyone who believes in God. It is clear by watching this video that this guy - whoever he is - is a demoniac, narcisstic psychopath who wants to cause harm. He’s talking about feeding into peoples’ stupidity - and wanting to hurt them, up to and including physical harm. He talks about anti-vaccine people, people who think the world is going to end in 2012, and fooling them by impoverishing them and causing them illness. He doesn’t mention 0bama, Hale or anything related. He uses foul language and is obviously a very evil young man.
I don’t see any evidence that he is this Korir fellow but what do I know. He mentions that he is in college and he looks to be in his early 20s.
What is Jummy Korir the psychopathic college student a Chief Editor of?
Maybe you and Jimmy the psychopathic college student see things the same way, same sense of humor, LOL, etc.
You said (or asked) — “So this Dark Socrates dude - Jimmy Korir (Chief editor of something or other) is a college student whose purpose was originally to argue with creationists, since he is an atheist and wants to promote atheism.”
No, first of all this guy in the tape is not Chief Editor Korir. For those who were following the story (over at API) Chief Editor Korir was identified and he admitted to his identification on the website, as being from Kenya and having this “news site” and living in Norway (I believe it was Norway, but I would have to check) at the time.
He has several reporters who report on African news, and all of a sudden he came up with this story about Michelle Obama calling and saying that Obama was born in Kenya. Well, that’s right up Chief Editor Korir’s alley.
And by the way, the “ole chief’ is apparently married, has children and was (for a time) a diplomat for Kenya, but got into some hot water and also (apparently) has an arrest warrant for him in Kenya... LOL...
He had a picture of himself, on the news website (for African news) and he had to admit to some of these troubles because others dug it out, when investigating him (and especially after this Michelle Obama tape).
Now, this other guy is simply someone who conveys the “message” of what the Dark Socratic methodology is. If I or others said, simply, its name, it wouldn’t mean anything. I wouldn’t figure it out and most everyone else wouldn’t figure it out. So, what Chief Editor Korir was doing is giving people *what* the Dark Socratic Methodology is — and explaining why he (apparently) gave the “Michelle Obama tape” back to Obama (as if there ever was one) — and then referred everyone over to the “Dark Socratic methodology” (explained by someone else) ... LOL...
On his other message, and on his group discussions, which he had in some chat rooms with others that frequented his news site, he admitted what he was doing (according to the blogs and other viewers who were trying to dig out what his hoax was). And that’s when he referred people over to that video. It’s an “explanation” and then he shut down everything and dropped the whole hoax...
Now, it remains to be seen if Ed Hale decides to do the same thing or not. If there one problem and then a delay and then another reason and then another reason — then we’ll know that Ed Hale has taken lessons from Chief Editor Korir... :-)
You said — “So he invented for the first time in history, a reverse Socratic method, and all this stuff - Berg, Hale and the African tapes - are all his mind game. ?”
It was an absolutely magnificent mind game, if I’ve ever seen one... LOL.. I’ve seen others who have played along with the “Nigerian 419 Scam” game, too — and it’s absolutely hilarious. You get some Nigerian scammer, and you play along with him, trying to comply with his demands for money and the delays that he’s encountered and you do a “419 scam” on him, instead. I’ve seen those and they will absolutely crack you up.
Well, this Chief Editor Korir, really played this one to the hilt, with hundreds and hundreds of viewers going right along with him, trying to help him get the tapes to Fox News and Berg signed on as his lawyer and Ed Hale was clamoring for releasing the tape on his show.
I saw some others comment that they’ve never seen a finer “player” of this game than Chief Editor Korir... LOL..
I wouldn’t doubt, either, that he’s associated with the Obamites — and that this is *precisely* the strategy of the Obamites to derail a lot of the conservatives, just like Chief Editor Korir did...
And then you said — “He describes this thing on the last video. Stupid people should be punished. And I would assume that among stupid people he includes anyone who believes in God. It is clear by watching this video that this guy - whoever he is - is a demoniac, narcisstic psychopath who wants to cause harm. Hes talking about feeding into peoples stupidity - and wanting to hurt them, up to and including physical harm. He talks about anti-vaccine people, people who think the world is going to end in 2012, and fooling them by impoverishing them and causing them illness. He doesnt mention 0bama, Hale or anything related. He uses foul language and is obviously a very evil young man.”
Yes, I would agree for the most part. He is an evil-minded person, in what he says about God and those who believe in God. However, the “methodology” isn’t *only* for those who believe in God — you see, he’s basically saying that his ideas are all “logical” and those others’ ideas are all illogical. So, since he can’t “prove it to them” — he will “punish them” instead.
Therefore, what we see here is a basic “methodology” in which you can apply that to anyone (whether they believe in God or not). And here — it’s applied in the “polltical sphere” in getting people to believe in some outlandish ideas and then — “slam them down” at the very end — by producing the evidence that shows that they’ve been *fooled* all along. Hence that’s the “punishing” them.
And here is where I can see that Obamites have created this “issue” that they will use to later *slam down hard* all the conservatives that have harped on this issue — when they produce the hard evidence to show that they’ve all been fools from the beginning.
How do you “create this” in the first place — basically by “hiding” what you do have — but you make it seem that you don’t have it. And then when you’ve played the game long enough — and got a lot of “political capital” out of it — you “slam them down” and pull out your documentation that you’ve had all along... LOL..
That’s what I see is happening...
And finally you said — “I dont see any evidence that he is this Korir fellow but what do I know. He mentions that he is in college and he looks to be in his early 20s.”
No, this guy in the video is not Chief Editor Korir. Korir is a Kenyan, a black guy and is short and stubby and sorta fat. I think (if I remember right), that Chief Editor Korir *also* said that he is related to the Obama family... now that’s a hoot...
The guy in the video is simply explaining what is meant by the Dark Socratic methodology, that’s all. Chief Editor Korir (a different guy, from Kenya) is pointing to this to explain that this is what he is doing...
Whether this document makes reference to Obama or not, a divorce decree is information that is potentially publicly available. But its existance is clear. The tapes were nothing more than a bad supposition.
It is a lead that should be pursued through more ethically
serious and secure channels. If Hale’s PI can’t finish the job, someone else no doubt will.
You said — “What is Jummy Korir the psychopathic college student a Chief Editor of?”
Jimmy Korir is not the student in the video. But, I’m sure, by now, you’ve read my other post on it. I was typing it up (I guess) when you asked this.
So, you should know that they are not the same and that Chief Editor Korir is *still* someone who has a African News site and lives in Norway and have several correspondents in Africa, reporting on the news there.
In addition to that, he has been reported, in the past to be a scammer, wanted in Kenya on an arrest warrant and also a former Diplomat from Kenya. He disputes some of that, but agrees with other parts. So, it’s questionable. But, he has been around for a while (in the past) and has a traceable history.
The guy on the video is just some “no-name” and definitely could be described as a psychopath (if atheists are psychopaths and certainly ones that want to “punish stupid people”)...
I guess the deaf and dumb investigator didn’t find a thing. Not that I thought for a second there was anything to this.
You said — “Maybe you and Jimmy the psychopathic college student see things the same way, same sense of humor, LOL, etc.”
I think that Chief Editor Korir was related in some way to Obama, as he has said, and he saw a way to do two things at once. One was to fool a lot of conservatives who wanted to believe whatever Chief Editor Korir said and also to “punish them” and do so out of his connections with Obama. The “chief” saw the “Dark Socratic methodology” as an excellent way to do it, and followed it just like he did. It did work beautifully, as far as a scam goes — and it did, definitely, prove a point (about that Dark Socratic methodology).
The other thing that the “chief” wanted to do, is to run up his website hits, because he was getting ready to branch out to another website and get some advertising to pay for it. He wanted a higher number of hits, for a while, so he could use those figures to boost his advertising revenues (at least for a while, anyway). So, the two things worked together.
As far as what part Ed Hale decided to play in all this, I just don’t know. And what part Berg decided to play in all this, I don’t know that either. I suppose they were duped, but that doesn’t say very much about what else they’re doing now...
As far as me, I’m just an observer who has noticed these things and I see that it’s possibly the very same type of scam that Chief Editor Korir perpetrated on everyone for weeks and months on end, thinking that they were going to get rid of Obama.
And so, I’m wondering what part this whole thing is playing into Ed Hale right now and Berg right now...
You said — “If Hales PI cant finish the job, someone else no doubt will.”
Be very wary if you see one delay and another delay and it’s always “just around the corner”. If you see this, just remember that this is what happened with Chief Editor Korir, and Ed Hale and Berg, with this whole Michelle Obama tape thing...
You said — “I guess the deaf and dumb investigator didnt find a thing. Not that I thought for a second there was anything to this.”
Well..., there is still a chance with the blind Muslim cleric, who escaped to England, who has Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate that he snuck out of the country...
As soon as Chief Editor Korir (of API, African Press International) is able to locate him, we’ll have Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate. It should be any day now. The only problem is that the blind Muslim cleric went into hiding when he got to England, because his life was in danger from the Obama people...
Now, if you don’t believe that, I’ll assure you that this is exactly what Chief Editor Korir was assuring everyone — was the absolute truth of the matter...
We’re still waiting on that blind Muslim cleric, too...
I’m really mixed up by all this. You are saying the “deaf and dumb investigator didn’t find a thing.” However, when I went to that Prairie website, it has Soetoro Divorce papers posted where it clearly states there are two children—one over 18 and one under 18. It looks like this is what he found. Am I wrong?
On January 9, now that the electoral process is over, the Supreme Court has scheduled a conference to consider Berg's writ of certiori, at which time they will agree to hear his appeal of the lower court's decision that denied his injunction to stay the electoral process because Obama is not Constitutionally-qualified to serve as President, thus paving the way for them to also agree to hear Berg's injunction to stay the electoral process until Obama proves that he is qualified, when they meet again on January 16, because both fall directly under part (c) of its Rule 10:
"(c) a state court or a United States court of appeals has decided an important question of federal law that has not been, but should be, settled by this Court, or has decided an important federal question in a way that conflicts with relevant decisions of this Court."
The situation is clearly "an important question of federal law." And, although this will be the second time the Court has visited presidential elections, this will be the first time that SCOTUS will have been presented with a situation where a President-Elect may not be Constitutionally qualified to serve as President. Therefore, there are no "conflicts with relevant decisions of this Court."
I'm sure that the justices are rethinking what happened in 2000, and if this can happen once, it could happen again. There is no way that SCOTUS can see their decision as being anything but important, historic, and precedence-setting in interpretation of federal law and the Constitution itself. In other words, they will not pass on it.
The 2008 election has raised other, new constitutional questions which the Court feels obliged to answer, such as reaffirming the meaning of the natural-born clause, who has standing to challenge a candidate for President, and who has the responsibility for properly vetting a candidate, for starters.
If you are wondering whether at least four of the justices feel that the gravity of the issue warrants consideration by America's "Court of Last Resort" the answer is, "You bet your bippy it does."
When I was watching the Chief Editor Korir episode with the Michelle Obama tape saying that Obama was born in Kenya, I said “Good, glad to hear that” — but I also said — “I’ll wait to see how this pans out...”
And now I’m seeing that the good ole Chief Editor Korir showed us all “the door” and then slammed it shut... LOL..
And so, seeing how all this has been going thus far and seeing how Obama is trucking right along, on schedule, as any other President about to go into office — I’m going to see what happens on January 20th.
But, let me guess — there will be *another lesson* here on January 20th — and I’m sure we’ll also learn something new at that time, too...
I’ll be looking forward to your next installment — shall we say on, perhaps, January 21st, if that’s not too soon... Don’t leave me out, for sure... LOL..
He found a divorce decree that says nothing about Obama being born in Kenya.
If you were listening on the Plains Radio around 7:45 Wed evening (last night), I was the guy who called in from Texas. Let me assure you that the 1964 divorce decree from Hawaii is NOT a hoax — it does exist.
With info that Ed gave me on Tuesday night off the air, I coordinated to have the package pulled at the ramp in Honolulu, placed into a Fed-Ex Next-Day envelope by a person at the terminal to get Ed the next day for last night's show. It was originally scheduled for Two-Day Delivery for some reason — I think either by the PI or as as standard procedure of the Hawaii Courts. However, we WERE able to change the package to Next Day (afternoon) Delivery.
It arrived at LAX on time, shortly after midnight. HOWEVER, we hit a snag — the aircraft broke for approx 4 hours, apparently awaiting a part. The 747 finally took off at 6:47 am Wednesday, bound for Memphis, FedEx’s main hub.
As the morning passed, we began to realize that the package would not get to Ed's local FedEx hub, and then out on a delivery truck to get to him. We tried to transfer it to another location to be picked up at that FedEx depot, to scan it for Wed's show. However, we couldn't pull it off in time to make a departure on Wed afternoon.
Ed will have it Friday at a changed location. Arrangements have been made — it's very safe.
Additionally, I personally spoke with the PI in Hawaii myself Wednesday morning. Let me pass on what I can relay at this time:
- as I understand, because the decree was Certified, it came straight from the Court House to Ed; the PI did not have the opportunity to copy or fax it. (If you've ever ordered an old deed or lien that has to be copied from archived records or microfiche, it's much the same — it's mailed directly to the requester ...)
- The PI did seem to have looked at the Digest version of the Divorce Decree, not the full version Ed is getting. His words to me, was “it's very interesting”
- The PI did not know if the document indicated Obama Jr's place of birth. However, in the early 60s in Hawaii, the place of birth oftentimes does appear in the notes.
- He told me also that the divorce decree was VERY hard to find and not readily searchable — not just a $30 fee at the counter. Significant research had to be conducted. It seems to have been hidden, possibly by Ann Dunham in her youth. (IMO, if it HAD been found already, Berg would have put it on his site along with other docs he's posted: http://www.obamacrimes.info/justthefacts.html. This is NEW documentation)
- The PI indicated that there's evidence that Ann used at least one alias tied to this. It's common knowledge that she used many names (Dunham, Soetoro, Sutoro, and variations thereof).
- There are other copies of the Divorce Decree going other places — the one going to Ed is NOT the only copy! There are back-ups going to other parties.
Thank you very much for the explanation!
Well, we won't have to wait that long for the fireworks. January 8 is the date to circle on your calendar.
Thank you, BP2.
Update Ping. Check out #329.
Plains Radio Friday night:
Obama’s Kenyan birth evidence to be revealed today, online
Q: Does Barack Obama have Kenyan citizenship?
A: No. He held both U.S. and Kenyan citizenship as a child, but lost his Kenyan citizenship automatically on his 21st birthday.
No, the copy of the divorce decree that Ed Hale is to receive tomorrow 01/02 is the divorce document of Obama’s father and mother. The document you mentioned above it that of Obama’s step father and his mother. What the document states as far as information concerning Obama birth date and place of birth remains to be seen. Ed Hale “believes” it states place of birth as Kenya, but Ed Hale DOES NOT KNOW THAT TO BE TRUE. He has not seen the document and will not see it until sometime tomorrow.
It is a shame that Ed Hale lead listeners to believe that the PI stated the document showed birth place of Kenya, when come to find out, the PI did not say that! Then Ed Hale had to say last night that he DOES NOT KNOW and he must have gotten mixed up about what the PI said due to him being hard of hearing. Wish Ed had not done that and waited to verify the document and verify what the document actually says BEFORE making statements about it.
Are you embellishing? FedEx does not fly 747's. None.
And FedEx would not have a 0247 am departure out of LAX for MEM anyway. At least not one that carried overnight express (freight Charters maybe another thing). All flights carrying Express to Memphis, need to arrive at the Hub in the hours before 0130 CST in order take make the sort.
You said earlier today that “jimmy” who posted those videos is Jimmy Korir the Chief Editor. You said that the guy posting the videos, and Chief Editor, are one and the same. Now you say they are not.
Maybe you ought to type fewer words, but more understandable words that don’t contradict other words that you typed.
Confusing, but here goes...
Ed thought, at first early afternoon on Tues, it was going to be next-day delivery.
Then several hours later, he discovered it would be two-day delivery. By that point, the word had already spread like wildfire that it would be revealed on Dec. 31.
We made some calls Tues night and got it moved to Next Day (p.m.) delivery on Dec. 31, before it was “containerized” on the ramp on Honolulu.
It was destined to make it to Ed on Dec. 31, but the aircraft carrying the package broke on the ground at LAX for 4 hours. Because there are no regular “mainline” FedEx flight ops on Jan 1, it was just “late enough” to NOT be able to make it out to Ed on Dec 31.
That’s when we decided to “secure it” and let it remain on the usual schedule.
This is worse than watching Inside Addition. They keep saying coming up next and it never comes up. :-)
Thanks for the rest of the story. Very interesting.
...and furthermore, with HNL early cutoff times, you can’t send an overnight from Hawaii on Tuesday Evening and have it delivered in the Continental US next day anyway, you’d have to send it bt 1200 noon Tuesday (Hawaii time) to have a delivery on Wednesday. And FedEx shuts down and does no deliveries on 6 holidays a year, one of which is New Years.
Why are you bothering to post a link to factcheck as though it was a valid source of info about 0bama?
From Airline Pilot Forums
Originally Posted by Browntail
Why was a 747-300 using a FedEx callsign?
Because it is probably a “Wet Lease”............Like Gemini or Atlas.
When they fly our stuff using our routes........they use the FedEx call sign.
This is one of our conerstone negotiating issues......spelled S.C.O.P.E!
As things begin to heat up with no movement at the table, I expect to see more of this..............
My apologies. I need to read more before posting. I just see “factcheck” and start getting irritated!
Many thanks, LucyT
The decree may have said something confusing like Zanzibar. It isn’t like many know the history of Kenya or even pre Kenya. That section wasn’t Kenya until the Moscow schooled Kenyatta took over (after he got out of jail) in 1964.
Thanks for the ping Lucy and thanks to BP2 for your efforts.