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Posted on 12/31/2008 2:53:07 PM PST by Ron Jeremy
The DUI Exception to the Constitution Posted by Lawrence Taylor on May 9th, 2005
In the course of various postings concerning MADD, I have received emails suggesting that they are a civic-minded organization which does not deserve my criticisms. As I have said on many occasions, I believe them to be a well-intentioned group of "true believers" who, like most zealots, have a rigid and narrow focus and are ignorant of the harm they cause to others. And in other posts I have tried to explain the nature of that harm.
Many years ago, I was invited to give a lecture to a "think tank" of government, corporate and academic types. In the years since then that I have given versions of it to other groups, the legal and political situation has only grown worse.
Perhaps the lecture itself might better explain why I consider MADD to be a continuing threat to our institutions and constitutional safeguards ..
I hope to convince you in the next hour, some of you, that the greatest single threat to our freedoms, the freedoms set forth in the Bill of Rights, is not from Iraq or Iran. I dont think its from North Korea. I dont think its from the extremists of the Muslim world. The threat, as it has always been throughout history, is internal: It is from within. But I do not think it is from the American Communist party or extremists on the right. I hope to convince a few of you that the greatest single threat to our freedoms today comes from a group consisting largely of American housewives. They call themselves the Mothers Against Drunk Driving. MADD.
I am fully aware that some of you belong to MADD. And I am certainly not here to make fun of them. Others of you here do not belong to MADD, but you have contributed to MADD and many more of you here, perhaps most of you here, are in complete sympathy with their goals and their activities. Many of you have had tragic losses at the hands of drunk drivers. But I hope to convince you in the next hour that you might want to reassess your view of that particular organization.
And I do not take them lightly in terms of their intentions. But we know that throughout history it is the well-intentioned zealots those who believe strongly in the rightness of their cause that are most willing to impose those ideas upon others. I do not, by the way, for a moment suggest that we should legalize drunk driving. Im going to make that clear at the outset. But it is the true believer who is the greatest threat. And I should at the outset acknowledge my tremendous debt to Mr. Eric Hoffer who wrote the book, The True Believer. He was a longshoreman when I was going to school at Berkeley in the 60s. He did not have a high school education, but was teaching philosophy at the University of California at Berkeley and wrote this little jewel of a book that has been terribly influential in my own thinking.
I would like you to imagine for a moment that youve gone to a friends house for dinner. In the course of a very good dinner youve had a couple of glasses of a good Merlot and it is now time to drive home. I would like you to imagine that you are on your way homeand, I will tell you, by the way, that two glasses of wine will not, in any state, put you under the influence of alcohol or over the legal limit of .08. As you are driving along the highway, you see ahead of you some flashing lights and barricades and police cars accordioned across the highway, with flashing lights directing you into an increasingly small channel. And, as you go in, you are stopped and two police officers approach you and stick a flashlight in your face and say, "Breath on me. Have you been drinking tonight? Please step out of the car."
Some of you say, "Well, that cant happen in the United States. We have the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, which says police officers have to have probable cause to stop you. They have to have a reason to believe youve done something criminal before they can stop and detain you." And so said the Michigan Supreme Court in 1990 in the case of Sitz v. Michigan. The Court said, "The Fourth Amendment does not permit these types of roadblocks" and reversed the DUI conviction. The case went up to the United States Supreme Court, unfortunately, and that august body decided that somewhere in the Constitution there is something called a "DUI Exception". And in a 5 to 4 vote sent it back to Michigan saying there is no violation here. Whats interesting is that the Michigan Supreme Court bless them, for there are fewer and fewer of them said, "Well, if you will not protect our citizens in the state of Michigan from this kind of police conduct, we will. And we again reverse the conviction and this time we rely upon our own state constitution."
The state of Washington and three other states have followed suit. In 44 states today, however, it is legal to stop you for absolutely no reason other than the fact that you are driving a car. The only purpose is to check you out for drunk driving.
You have been stopped, you have been taken out of the car and you have been handcuffed. You are placed in a police vehicle and you are on your way back to the police station. About this time youre probably wondering: Ive seen this TV show somewhere theyre supposed to read me something arent they? Something called Miranda? Arent I supposed to have a right to an attorney? Dont I have the right to remain silent? That becomes an issue because, as youre being driven to jail, the officers asking you all kinds of questions. Like, "Where have you been?" "Where are you coming from?" "How much have you had to drink?" "How long ago was it?" "When was the last drink?" "Do you feel the effects?" "Where are you now?" "What time of day is it?"
Well, again, a state Supreme Court said, "Hey, this persons handcuffed and under arrest, youve got to advise him of his constitutional rights under Miranda." And again, it went to the United States Supreme Court. In 1984 in Berkemer v. McCarty, the United States Supreme Court fooled around for about 20 or 30 pages of opinion and finally concluded that there was apparently a DUI exception to the constitution. And that, "Well, we really cant tell you when youre supposed to give Miranda in a DUI case. We do know that it is later than in other types of criminal investigations." So, the U.S. Supreme Court has told us we dont know when Miranda is supposed to be given in DUI cases, but it is clearly some time later than in other cases.
About this time you arrive at the police station and the officer takes you into a room and there is this little metal box about the size of a desktop computer. And he says breathe in here. And you say, "Wait a minute, I have a right to an attorney. Can I make a phone call?" "No", says the officer. And, hes right. However, this denial of access to an attorney is only applicable in DUI cases. Hes right. Youre about to give the most incriminating evidence possible to give in a DUI case and you have no right to seek the advice of an attorney as to whether to breathe into that machine or, in the alternative, to agree to submit to a urine or a blood test.
And Im only touching on a few of the problems. In California, for example, and in many other states, the law says you have a right to choose between breath and blood. It is your choice. We have discovered in California, however, through our own Supreme Court that when the officer doesnt give you that choice just makes you breathe into that little black boxthats okay. Theyre not supposed to do it, but theres no remedy. Theres nothing that can be done about it, so says the California Supreme Court. You cant suppress the evidence. Well, police are not stupid, so now about half of them simply dont give you that choice, since nothings going to happen if they dont.
Your next thought is, "I dont know if I trust that little machine. Maybe I should refuse to breathe into it. I think Im okay because, because as I remember, theres a Fifth Amendment right in the United States Constitution that I dont have to incriminate myself, and, not only that, but if it goes to trial, the prosecutor cant even refer to the fact that Ive exercised my Fifth Amendment right."
The South Dakota Supreme Court agreed a few years ago and they said, "This gentleman refused to incriminate himself by breathing into that machine and it was reversible error for the prosecutor to comment upon that to the jury and tell them that he refused because he knew he was guilty." Now youre probably ahead of me, guessing the outcome here. It went to the United States Supreme Court. The United States Supreme Court, in South Dakota v. Neville in 1983 said, "Theres a DUI exception to the Fifth Amendment. There is no right to refuse and the prosecution can comment freely in trial upon that refusal." And they sent it back to South Dakota. And. like Michigan, South Dakota said, "If you folks in Washington, DC will not protect our citizens, we will rely upon our own state constitution," and they reversed it again based upon the South Dakota constitutions provisions against self-incrimination. Unfortunately, thats the last story I have of a state supreme court protecting of its own citizens.
So, you decide youre going to breathe into that machine. And you do. You breathe into one end and out comes a piece of paper at the other end that says your blood alcohol concentration is .13%. Now, at this point, in most states, the police are supposed to give you a choice as to whether you want a blood sample taken and saved as well, so that you have something for your defense attorney to have examined for an independent analysis.
This is called the Trombetta advisement. They dont give it usually. Theyre supposed to, but if they dont, "no harm, no foul" and so it is rarely done. Its called the "Trombetta advisement" because a few years ago, in 1984, a defendant in California said, "Wait a minute, that machine captured my breath and minutes after analyzing it, just purged it into the room air. It could have saved the breath. [Very easy to do: costs about $4.50 per sample utilizing a special kit to preserve it.] It could have saved the breath and then my attorney could have had it analyzed by a separate laboratory by a more exact and reliable testing method. You have destroyed evidence that I could have analyzed and may have been proven my innocence."
This went to the United States Supreme Court too, and in 1984 in the landmark case of Trombetta v. California, the Supreme Court found yet another DUI exception to the Constitution and said "Well, it would be nice if they saved the breath, but theres no obligation to do so. And, destruction of that evidence, unless you can prove that it would have been exculpatory, has no impact." But how do you prove it would have been exculpatory if it has already been destroyed? So, today it is all right to destroy the evidence and make sure the defense doesnt get access to it.
Finally, youre rather outraged because you know youre not under the influence. You know youre not over .08% which is the standard in California. And in 5 years will be the standard in all of your states because the federal government is telling you thats what its going to be. Because the Mothers Against Drunk Driving are ensuring that happens.
You decide to go find one of these criminal defense lawyers youve always resented and ask them to represent you in trial. You want to tell a jury of 12 of your peers what happened. You want to give your version. So you tell your attorney, "I want a jury trial." Your attorney says, "Im really sorry, but you cant have one. You see we dont have jury trials for DUI cases in this state, because in 1989 the United States Supreme Court in Blanton v. North Las Vegas, a DUI case, said, "There is no Constitutional right to a jury trial in a DUI case, so long as its not punishable by more than six months in jail."
So, in several states today, including Nevada, Louisiana, New Jersey and Hawaii you have no right to a jury trial. And the Mothers Against Drunk Driving and a few other organizations are doing everything they can to make sure there are no jury trials in other states as well.
All right, weve taken a look at what happens to you as you go through the process in terms of any Constitutional rights you thought you had. And if youd been charged with burglary, murder, rape, you would have had those rights. At least for now, until those rights are taken away as well, utilizing the same necessity argument used for DUI prosecutions.
Now, lets take a look at what the crime of DUI really is. What is the offense you just committed? I will tell you that when I have clients come in the door, almost none of them know what the crime is, and probably half of them dont know if theyre guilty or not.
In the beginning there was a law. That law said "Thou shalt not drive under the influence of alcohol". Period. It was a good law. We needed it. It addressed the problem. It was fair. Unfortunately, there were some defendants being acquitted. And so an inventor came along and said, "Well, Ive got this great little gizmo here. I call it the Breathomatic. Its a box and if you breathe in this end, out the other end comes this piece of paper and itll tell you exactly how much alcohol is in the persons blood."
Well, that sounded pretty neat. And so legislators and prosecutors approached the American Medical Association and said, "Weve got this wonderful machine. Can you tell us at what level of blood alcohol concentration a person is impaired in their ability to drive a vehicle?" And the AMA said, "After extensive research, it is 0.15 grams percent." This was about 60 years ago 0.15 percent.
Well, that was okay for a while, but a whole lot of people still were not getting convicted. Part of the problem was there was only a presumption that you were under the influence. In other words, if you were over .15% the jury could accept that you were under the influence, or they could reject it and say other evidence shows that you werent. The second problem was that a lot of people were coming in at .13, .14, .12. And a third problem is, you wwa that you may have been .15 at the time of the test in the station, but what were you an hour earlier when you were driving?
So, they went back to the American Medical Association a few years later and said, "Are you sure about that .15? Couldnt it really be a little lower?" And the AMA said, "You know, youre right. Its .10." Now, the human body, to my knowledge, had not changed in those 20 years, but certainly the AMAs research did. And responded to considerable political pressure. So, now jurors were told that they could presume guilt if there was a .10%. A dramatic change in the number.
Unfortunately, there were still criminal defense lawyers out there and there were still acquittals, and the Mothers Against Drunk Driving, a very effective, very well financed organization, as some of you here know, was very successful by working through a federal agency called National Highway Traffic Safety Administration in putting pressure on states to further drop it to .08%. And as I indicated earlier, about a third of the states have done exactly that, the others are rapidly following suit.
Well, theres no question, there were fewer acquittals now and the prosecutors were increasing their conviction rate. But, there were still some acquittals. And so MADD and the federal agencies decided to change the law further. More accurately, MADD came up with another law. This is called the per se law: If we cant convince jurors that a person is under the influence over .08, we can make it a crime to merely drive while having a BAC over .08. The crime is being over .08 per se. We dont care if theyre intoxicated or impaired. If the person has a BAC level over .08%, or .10% blood-alcohol perhaps, in your state, that is a crime all by itself. Not only that, lets keep the original law. So, now we give the prosecutors two shots to obtain a conviction whenever a test is taken by a suspect: If they cant convince the jury hes under the influence, well then maybe they can convince them he was over .08, even though he was not under the influence and vice versa.
This once again certainly increased the conviction rate, and the number of acquittals continued to drop. But there was a problem. Acquittals were still happening. New, creative and detailed attacks began challenging the technology involved in breath alcohol analysis. The gist of the attacks by defense lawyers was based on the fact that the machine, to put it simplistically, assumed that you are an average person.
The machine is measuring the breath. It is measuring the alcohol in the vapor of the alveolar air in the deep lungs that you expel. But the machine is telling you how much alcohol is in the blood not in the breath. So it uses what we call a partition ratio. To put it simplistically, the machine has an old, very primitive computer inside it. There are different machines, but the computers in them will all report, "Well, if youve got this result from the breath, there must be 2100 times as much in the blood! Using a multiplier inside the little computer, thats what it prints out.
But the computer is assuming that your partition ratio is 2100. Problem? Very few people have a partition ratio of 2100-to-1. It ranges anywhere from about 1100-to-1 up to 3500-to-1 and higher. And there is no way of knowing at the time of testing what your partition ratio was because medical studies have shown that the partition ratio changes within an individual all the time. One person is going to be very different than the person sitting next to him. Your partition ratio tomorrow is going to be different than what it is right now. Well, what does that mean? It means if you blow, lets say, a .11 and you have a 1300-to-1 partition ratio, that .11 is really 0.07. Youre innocent. Your crime, unfortunately, was not being average.
Well, attorneys usually go to law school because they failed physics, chemistry and so on in college, but a few defense attorneys were able to master the technology involved were actually learning how this machine worked. And they thought, "Whoa! Theres an assumption here, 2100-to-1", and they cross-examined the expert from the law enforcements crime lab and said, "Isnt it a fact that ?" And the guy would hem and haw, and finally say, "Well, yeah." Acquittal. The 2100-to-1 ratio issue is still a viable defense in a lot of states.
Not in California anymore. And not in a growing number of states. In California, our Supreme Court, which is slightly to the right of the U.S. Supreme Court, said, "No, not really, because what youre doing is youre measuring the alcohol on the breath. Youre not measuring the blood directly, youre measuring on the breath, and therefore we dont have to have a partition ratio." Now, you probably dont appreciate the complete idiocy of that statement, because the California Supreme Court did not understand the technology involved. And it was an 8-1 decision. A dissenting justice in the decision said, "Do you realize that we just created a new crime called driving with alcohol on your breath? And she was absolutely right. Thats what the Supreme Court of California did.
Result? If I now ask a law enforcement crime lab expert on the stand in front of a jury, "Isnt it a fact that the partition ratio you used assumes an average of 2100-to-1?" I can be held in contempt of court by the judge. If I try to bring out the truth, I can be jailed. Im not exaggerating. And Im telling you that this is true in a growing number of other states. I have lectured in 36 states to lawyers groups, bar associations, and so on, so Im familiar with the different states and their different approaches. All of which are becoming much more standardized as the Federal Government continues to step in.
Well, that made things a lot easier for prosecutors to convict in California. Once again, the conviction rate went up. It became more and more difficult to defend people accused of drunk driving. I did not say "guilty" of drunk driving: Accused of drunk driving. Well, but there are still many defenses left, because, as I hope I will have time to get into, this machine is, to say the least, unreliable.
One of the problems is called retrograde extrapolation. Its all well and good the the suspect was a .11 at the time that he breathed into the machine at the police station. But its not against the law to be over a .08 in a police station. Its against the law to drive a car over .08. What was the blood alcohol level at the time he was driving?
That caused prosecutors a lot of problems. And so most states, almost all states, passed a new law at the urgin of the Mothers Against Drunk Driving. And that law said, "If any test within three hours of driving results in a blood alcohol reading of .08, it shall be presumed that it was the same at the time of driving." Even though we know absolutely, as a matter of scientific fact, that it was not.
Well, that again raised the conviction rate, except that it was a rebuttable presumption. In other words, you could introduce evidence that that simply wasnt true. And so now, to make a depressingly long story short, some states are beginning to pass laws saying that the crime is having over .08 at the time you breath into the machine. And they dont care what you were when you were driving the car.
Notice how weve gotten further and further away from the evil we were trying to cure in the beginning: "Were you impaired by alcohol when you were driving your car?"
Okay. Lets take a look at this machine. And in most cases, because its cheaper, easer and faster than blood analysis, the police are going to have you breathing into one of these machines. Let me just give you a real quick rundown on breath test device theory. Incidentally, the book I wrote, Drunk Driving Defense, is about 1200 pages in length, of which nearly 400 pages are just on the technology of breath machines, so this is going to be very cursory. But, I think, for purposes of illustrating some of the problems, it will help.
Basically, these machines capture breath from your lungs into a sample chamber. In the common Intoxilyzer 5000, for example, its a little 81 cc nicle-plated tube. And, by the way, there are a lot of different manufacturers of these different machines, different types, but well get into that in a moment. These machines rust and corrode inside. The sample chamber gets pitted, and it absorbs or retains in these pits alcohol from previous subjects. But lets just say for purposes of theory it captures a sample, a given volume of alveolar air from the lungs. At one end it has a projector that sends a beam of infrared energy, infrared light, through the chamber. The light passes through the breath sample that is passing through that little chamber. Now, at the other end of the chamber is a detector that receives the light from the other side. It then measures how much of this infrared energy gets through that is, is not absorbed by the breath and does not reach the other side of the chamber. It measures this dimunition of light energy by comparing the original intensity of the light to the diminished intensity of the light, multiples it by 2100, and spits out the blood alcohol concnetration.
Now the theory of infrared spectroscopy, as applied to DUI cases, is based upon the fact that any compound containing the methyl group of molecules will absorb the energy from this 3,61 micorn light wave. One of those compounds is ethanol, also called ethyl alcohol. Molecules of ethyl alcohol contain the methyl group as part of its structure. It is resonant with this particular frequency of light wave. So, the more ethyl alcohol in the sample chamber, the more energy is going to be absorbed, the less will get through to the receptor, the higher the blood-alcohol reading will go. Actually, the concept is fairly simple. Except, again, the light waves are absorbed not only by ethyl alcohol, but also by any methyl group in any compound. In other words, it is a stupid machine. It does not differentiate between ethyl alcohol and any other compound containing the molecular group. It is what we call non-specific for ethanol. Any compound on your breath that contains the methyl group will be detected as alcohol and reported as alcohol. If you happen to have 32 different compounds containing the methyl group on your breath, it not only will report them all as alcohol, it is cumulative: the machine will add all of those compounds, including any ethyl alcohol, and then report it as alcohol in the blood.
So, do any of these methyl groups exist in the human breath? There are a number of scientific studies one of which indicates that there are 102 different compounds found in the human breath that can contain the methyl group. So what you are getting is not necessarily alcohol. What you are getting is some unknown cumulative reading of any of these compounds on your breath. If you had been painting a house yesterday, today you would be registering alcohol on our breath machine. If you had been using solvents, or thinners or glue or anything like this, same result. If you had pumped gasoline into your car and inhaled any of the fumes, hours, even days later, you could be breathing out vapors containing compounds with the methyl group in it. If you are a diabetic, or have been on a low-carbohydrate diet, youo would be getting high blood alcohol readings.
Now, I can go on for quite awhile, but the last example I will give you is called the mouth alcohol problem. The machine assumes that the alcohol, or whatever it is measuring, comes from the air in your lungs, and thats why its multiplying by 2100. Obviously, if it is getting alcohol directly from your stomach or your throat or your mouth, its going to fool the machine and the results are going to be extremely high. It would take a minuscule amount of alcohol in your mouth, throat or stomach to fool the machine and create a pretty high BAC reading, since it would be incorrectly multiplied 2100 times. This is called the trapped alcohol or mouth alcohol problem.
So, for example, if you burp or belch, and any gases from your stomach come up, or you have an acid reflux condition, or a hiatal hernia, and any of those gases or liquids come up to your esophagus or mouth, remnants of the saturated gas will stay there for about 15 to 20 minutes before saliva dissipates it. It will be breathed into the machine, if you are being tested. The machine will report a reading, which will be falsely high. It does not mean youre under the influence. It does not mean youre really an .08. Its simply that you had alcohol in your mouth or your throat. The police officers are supposed to guard against this by observing you for 15 minutes and making sure you dont burp. They are supposed to sit down and watch you for a quarter of an hour before giving the test. In all the years that I have been defending DUIs, or for that matter prosecuting them, I dont think Ive ever encountered an officer who actually did that. They are far too busy to fool around with things like that. They will check the box, and say they did, but it rarely happens; Im not sure they could even tell if a belch did happen. The 15-minute observation period is a safeguard, but one that the police ignore.
So, these are just a couple of examples. There are hundreds of things wrong with these machines, not just theoretically as they apply to the human body, but applied to the machines themselves. So how accurate are they? Theyre close enough for government work. In California, for example, the legal standards of accuracy are that you must have duplicate analysis (two sequential tests) and each result must be within .02% of the other. That means youd have to take two tests. If the first one (just to use a number to make it mathematically easy) is .10%, the next one has to be .08, .09, .10, .11 or .12. Think about it: a 40% range of error is scientifically accurate in a case where the state must prove your guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. In most states, a 40% range of error is considered to be acceptable accuracy. Close enough for government work.
The people that make these machines keep coming out with new models. Theyll come out with a model and call it state-of-the-art, foolproof, fail-safe, and then two years later they come out with a new model that takes care of all of the problems found to have existed with the earlier model. Meanwhile 100,000 people have been tested on the old device (which is quietly retired from service), yet none of those convicted can re-open their guilty pleas, or undo the damage done to their lives and careers by the machine. Then a competing breath manufacturing company comes out with a new and improved model that takes care of the problems with their competitors new model. And this has become a fairly regular battle of the manufacturers, year after year.
If you look at the warranties on these devices, few of the manufacturers warrant these things to actually test blood alcohol. If you read the warranties, they specifically say that there is no warranty of fitness for a particular purpose. Thats a legal phrase. Basically it means they dont want to get sued by somebody if there is a false reading. So they will not even warrant these things to do what theyre selling them to do. The standard warranty, for a total breakdown of the device, is about one year about what your toaster is warranted for. The difference between the two machines? Your toaster is warranted to toast bread.
Okay. Lets talk about science and the law. Right off the bat weve got a problem. Science, if you can define it, would be, I would say, the systematic pursuit of truth. The objectives of law are very different. It is a governmental mechanism for imposing order, structure, predictability, security, and confidence of the public in its institutions. The law is not concerned with truth. That distinction is important in understandking what is happening in the DUI legal arena.
To understand it you must understand the difference. Hundreds of years ago a guy named Galileo said, the universe is really not flat, the way Rome says it is. You saw what happened to Galileo. Have we progressed? Not if a lawyer tries to tell the truth to a jury about the limitations of a breath machine, and, in doing so, is held in contempt for properly and zealously representing his/her client. I would say we have not come all that far since Galileos days.
Again, the legal system is not concerned with truth. And it may come as a shock, but it is not. It is concerned with order, stability. If the legal system were seeking truth, the government would not falsely assume that theres a 2100-to-1 partition ratio. If the legal system cared about truth, they would not presume that your blood-alcohol was the same number three hours earlier, when the government knows it is not. If they sought truth, they would recognize that these machines are non-specific, among other problems. The legal system is not concerned with justice, either. It is concerned with expediency, not justice. If they were concerned with justice, they would not permit roadblocks. They would not presume guilt. They would not pass laws refuting scientific truth.
I just said, "They would not presume guilt." That was another DUI exception to the constitution that I didnt tell you about. One other thing the police officer does after he has you breathe into that machine, if youre over .08, is that he immediately grabs your license and confiscates it. This is another contribution from MADD. Immediate seizure of the license in 48 of the states today. On the spot. Justice administered by the police officer. No judge. No jury. You are presumed guilty. Your license is confiscated and you are given a notice of suspension. What happened to the presumption of innocence?
After you have been given this suspension, you will be facing further punishment in criminal court possibly including another suspension. Does this sound like double jeopardy? Of course it does, but after some initial disagreement, the courts decided that the first suspension was not a "punishment": it was only an "administrative sanction".
How far can things go? Some of you may have heard about a case recently in North Carolina. Now, we have never executed people, weve never, until recently, given the death penalty for a crime unless there was pre-meditation of the offender. Intention to kill and time to reflect upon that and then to carry out the plan and cold-bloodedly murder. Some exceptions have been added: Killing a police officer; multiple murders; murder by torture; murder for ransom. In North Carolina this year there was a DUI case involving an accident and a fatality It would, in any other case, in another state, likely be a vehicular manslaughter case. It was not an intentional act. It was negligent; it may have been reckless. And the prosecutor sought the death penalty. The death penalty. The law permitted it and the judge let him go for it. Fortunately, they didnt get it.
So, in the DUI arena, you have unfair procedures. You have false evidence. You have wholesale erosion of rights. But, some may rationalize, at least the DUI-caused fatalities are falling, correct? If you believe the statistics from the Mothers Against Drunk Driving and National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, that would be correct. If you look at it more closely, however, youll find they start using terms like "alcohol-involved", "alcohol-related", and those statistics start changing to justify what they have been doing for the last few years. The numbers have been manipulated so that if any person involved in any way in the accident had any alcohol in his/her system even .01 per cent MADD and our federal government counts that as an alcohol-related death. If a pedestrian or the deceased driver had been the only one drinking, it would have been an "alcohol-related" fatality.
So, what is happening in the DUI field? Same thing thats always been happening. The real danger to your lives, to my childrens and your childrens lives, are from recidivists. Statistically, the risk lies with recidivists people that have driven drunk repeatedly. Which is, despite what MADD says, a relatively small percentage of those who are arrested. Problem? How do you reach those people? Can you affect the incidence of death caused by DUIs by increasing the punishment? As to those recidivists, I tell you: no.
We are trying to use the legal system to address what may be partially a medical, perhaps psychological, but in my opinion certainly a genetic problem. Now that sounds like an easy cop-out. I wrote a book about 15 years ago called Born to Crime: The Genetic Causes of Criminal Behavior, so I suppose that I am a bit biased, but Im basing what I say upon defending and prosecuting thousands of DUIs and Im absolutely convinced that alcoholism is largely genetic in origin, at least a strong genetic predisposition. And I think the studies, and one of the chapters of Born to Crime was devoted to alcoholism the studies are overwhelming. And so long as you have a system that is geared to behavioral modification that is, were going to change his drinking habits by putting him in jail for six months or deterrence were going to stop other recidivists from driving drunk because of their fear of jail then youre fooling yourselves.
Do I have an answer? No, I dont. But I know that system isnt working, and in the meantime we are slowly dismantling the Constitutional rights that are our birthright. Is this just about drunk drivers? The simple fact is that our legal system is based upon precedent: rights that are lost in a DUI case today can be lost in any other case tommorrow.
To paraphrase a famous quote from pre-war Germany, "First they came for the drunks, but I was not a drunk, so I did not speak up
Regardless of the issue do we want legislation driven by bereaved, emotionally fragile menopausal women?
If you are slight of build, or not a regular drinker, beware.
MADD and PETA, hard to tell them apart.
You know, I USED to be one of those. I see it all too clearly, now. :)
‘Nanny State Ping,’ if you’re around tonight...
At least PETA can't put you in jail...yet.
Me, too. About that and "domestic violence", child support and custody. That was before I saw what happened to friends and relatives...and me in the case of custody. I learned to listen to both sides.
I was in a jury pool once where the judge said “you don’t need to be over the limit to be guilty”. I never drive after even one drink.
The Speaker of the House would love to answer your question ;-)
DUI is bad.
UnConstituional “sobriety checkpoints” are WORSE.
But, is this — “Theres a DUI exception to the Fifth Amendment. There is no right to refuse and the prosecution can comment freely in trial upon that refusal.” — really a quote from the decision cited?
I am no libertarian, but I hate the way these laws (and the dead beat parent laws) are used to centralize what should be state decisions.
However, the author did himself no favor when he said “Hundreds of years ago a guy named Galileo said, the universe is really not flat, the way Rome says it is.”
The debate had to do with the Copernican theory, which had NOT yet been proved, and has nothing to do with the world being flat, but whether it rotates around the sun. Galileo got in more trouble for his attitude than for the theory itself. Copernicus himself remained in good standing with Rome.
Getting such a basic fact so wrong makes me question his characterization of his earlier examples. Nonetheless, I do agree with the principle of his argument, so the article was worth a read.
I say that as someone who practiced 33 years in the US Supreme Court. This is a lot of effort for no legitimate purpose.
I think any drunk driver who hurts or kills another should have their crime viewed as “premeditated” or have the exact same damage done to their body that they did to others, including death if they killed an innocent.
If you choose to give up control, you’ve chosen to suffer the punishment you desired to give others, in my book.
It’s for the children.
That makes sense. Just don’t drink and drive. Not worth the risk.
You missed the point entirely. This is not about drunk driving; it’s about the overreaching Nanny State and being unconsititutionally framed by overzealous police.
Yeah, let’s all go live in a plastic bubble.
I got caught up in a roadblock a few years ago in South Boston. I had had a couple of beers at a restaurant but was absolutely not under the influence. Nevertheless, when the cop shined the flashlight in my face and asked me if I had had anything to drink, I lied to him and said that I had had nothing to drink. He then thanked me in waved me through.
My cop friend told me that if I had told him I had a couple of beers, there would have been a 100% chance of him pulling me out of my car (in front of my wife) and placing me under arrest for DUI.
To this day, I still feel crappy about lying to the police but I know the alternative would have been a night in jail and quite possibly a criminal record that would have precluded me from holding the job I have currently.
With respect to DUI's, this country really is a lot like Nazi Germany. Of course, all these roadblocks and sham DUI arrests of decent people who had the misfortune to have a glass of wine on the wrong night, do absolutely nothing to stem the true problem of drunken driving. People with an alcohol problem will continue to drink and drive regardless of the consequences. We hear all the time of people with multiple drunk driving arrests who go right back to it as soon as they are let out of jail. Even taking their license away doesn't stop them. Serial drunk drivers almost invariably also get charged for driving without a license!
If you really want to put a stop to drunk driving, do away with the roadblocks and the persecution of decent people and just put unmarked cruisers out on the highways or park them at bars and taverns. You will very quickly be able to identify the drunk drivers as those will be the ones swerving all over the place and being a menace to other drivers.
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