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U.S. to abandon Israel
ISRAPUNDIT ^ | Dec 31/08 | Ted Belman

Posted on 12/31/2008 7:06:25 PM PST by tedbel

U.S. Intelligence Official about Israel: "This is just the beginning".

U.S. Intelligence official "breaks silence" on Israel situation"

Homeland Security

31 December 2008: Northeast Intelligence Network director Doug Hagmann interviewed a highly-placed U.S. intelligence official late yesterday who not only confirmed rumors about escalated and more intensive Israeli military operations against the Muslim terrorists in Gaza, [but] warned of the increasing probability of abandonment of Israel by the U.S. and other Western countries based on what he termed "malicious intelligence."

"Remember that term," advised this well-placed intelligence official, "you'll be hearing it again."

"This is just the beginning," stated this intelligence official, who wished to remain anonymous. This official stated that the possibility for a much more protracted ground war is more likely today than at any other time in the past, adding that Israel is exercising her right to protect herself from her enemies in Gaza. But there is a catch, noted this official, and a big one at that: Israel could be about to lose the support of the United States.

    "I have every reason to believe, based on what I've seen at my level of [security] clearance especially over the last several years, that Israel will soon be completely on their own… or worse."

When asked what could be worse than losing the support of the United States, he stated:

    "when our administration provides more support to Arab countries [with] financial and military aid, undercutting Israel's defense efforts all while pushing Israel to succumb to the pressure of unreasonable demands designed to end with their political annihilation as a nation."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ally; arabs; dhs; gaza; hamas; islam; israel; jihad; obamaspals; proarab
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To: YHAOS; Pinkbell
"Pinkbell wrote:
"But but but...the majority of Jews voted for Obama."

YHAOS replied:
"Ironic, isn't it."

Not really.

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Bush releases money to Abbas

Rice: Better to have Hamas in power than in streets

Rice: Palestinians deserve to live free of ‘occupation’[at an event of pro-Palestinian group]

US Supplies Fatah With Arms, Rice Decries “Occupation”

Rice: Israel Must Withdraw from More than Gaza and Samaria

Disciples of Christ to Israel: Drop dead

U.S. Presbyterians target five firms with Israel links

The Church Stares Into the Abyss (The dhimmitude of the Church of England)

(Anti-Semitic) Anglican group urges Israel sanctions

Anglicans Call for Sanction on Investment in Israel to Uphold Justice


Two United Methodist gatherings urge selective divestment from Israel (official anti-Israel United Methodist Website)

world council of churches (WCC)
church & ecumenical relations
"Among those churches which are not members of the WCC, the most notable is the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). Since 1965 a Joint Working Group (JWG), co-sponsored by the WCC and the RCC, has met regularly to discuss issues of common interest and promote cooperation. The group meets annually. One of the church and ecumenical relations staff members serves as co-secretary for the JWG and helps to coordinate contact between the Council and the dicasteries of the Vatican through the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity. [And] . . . Though the Roman Catholic Church is not a member of the WCC, it is a full member of the Faith & Order Commission. The RCC also serves the team on Mission & Evangelism in a consultative capacity."

President Bush Calls for New Palestinian Leadership
The Rose Garden
June 24, 2002
"The United States, the international donor community and the World Bank stand ready to work with Palestinians on a major project of economic reform and development. The United States, the EU, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund are willing to oversee reforms in Palestinian finances, encouraging transparency and independent auditing."

Quartet Joint Statement
July 16, 2002: Text of a joint statement issued by the "Quartet" (United Nations, Russian Federation, the United States and the European Union) following their meeting in New York
[Document behind the link.]
"The new international Task Force on Reform, which is comprised of representatives of the U.S., EU, UN Secretary General, Russia, Japan, Norway, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, and which works under the auspices of the Quartet, will strive to develop and implement a comprehensive action plan for reform."

...little more background material:

Rice: Israel Must Withdraw from More than Gaza and Samaria
February 1, 2005

Bush and Sharon disagree over Israel's future
Wednesday June 27, 2001,2763,513410,00.html

Sharon presses Putin to drop UN resolution on road map
4 November 2003

Commencement Address at Boston College (Secretary Condoleezza Rice, Boston, Massachusetts, May 22, 2006. US Department of State)


As a student of a Catholic high school, the Sisters of Loretta taught me, I am pleased to be at an institution of higher education with such strong and celebrated Catholic and Jesuit traditions . . . You see, I got my Master's Degree at Notre Dame. (Boos.) I acquired a passion for the fighting Irish . . . and my family has been college educated and Presbyterian ever since. (Laughter and applause.) . . . I wandered into a course on international politics taught by a Czech refugee who specialized in Soviet studies, a man who had a daughter by the name of Madeleine Albright. With that one class, I was hooked. I discovered that my passion was Russia and all things Russian.

121 posted on 12/31/2008 8:43:27 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote,
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To: Blanton
People are just worried because Obama has clearly stated in one of his autobiographies that if things got ugly he would stand with the Muslims. And then Joe Biden said that early in Obama's administration things would get get bad (we'd be "tested") and Obama's reaction would be surprising and seem wrong.

Obama has no military experience, no executive experience. He has a history of voting "present" when faced with a tough decision.

I'm no soothsayer, so I don't know what Obama would do -- but there are certainly grounds to think that Obama might abandon Israel if there is a major war in that area. To him, it might seem like a politically safe course of action (I say that because I think Obama is a coward and also not very bright).

122 posted on 12/31/2008 8:45:36 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: tedbel

As Benjamin Netanyahu has said, Britain in WWII is an analogy. And one thing that can be learned from that analogy is, every intelligence leak is intentional and purposeful.

123 posted on 12/31/2008 8:49:18 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: pollywog

“It’s not called the Rapture but it’s there.”

Or perhaps it’s not, and we’ve now entered the Tribulation Period to all appearances. We’ll know for certain soon.

124 posted on 12/31/2008 8:50:24 PM PST by cowdog77 ("Are there any brave men left in Washington, or are they all cowards?")
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To: familyop

there’s just not enough tinfoil in the world...

125 posted on 12/31/2008 8:51:47 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: verity; tedbel; ClearCase_guy; fish hawk; Doug TX; conservativegramma; PistolPaknMama; TalBlack; ...

Interesting how some here swear the United States will never “abandon” Israel.

That was _then_, pre-Obama.

This is now:

“The Devil’s Bargain”
by Arthur Herman:


” Imagine if, in the summer of 1941, Adolf Hitler had approached Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt with this deal: I will cease hostilities and leave the British Empire alone, if you leave me alone to finish my extermination of the Jews. Expect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to offer a similar deal to Barack Obama come January.

“Officially, the offer will be Iranian cooperation with the West in Iran’s nuclear program, possibly including United Nations inspections - if the United States reverses course on its support for Israel, including its actions against Hamas in Gaza.

“Iran expert Ze’ev Maghen of Bar-Ilan University thinks this may be what top Iranian officials are preparing to offer the West in a kind of crude devil’s bargain. In short, Iran’s price for getting along with America, “the Great Satan,” will be our acquiescence in the destruction of “the Little Satan,” Israel.”

This could never happen, right?
Not a chance, right?
Not even with a pro-Muslim president of Islamic origins and upbringing, right?

- John

126 posted on 12/31/2008 8:53:09 PM PST by Fishrrman
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To: killjoy

Abandon Israel? What could you possibly mean by that?

127 posted on 12/31/2008 8:54:43 PM PST by ArmyTeach (You have a Republic, Madam, if you can keep it...)
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To: tedbel

If the USSA betrays Israel like the rest of Western civilization has, it will be a hot time in Iran. Boombaboombaboom!

128 posted on 12/31/2008 8:55:14 PM PST by pallis
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To: the invisib1e hand

Heh...tinfoil’s for anti-Israel, pagan movie stars, IMO. ...all in good fun and humor, of course. ;-)

129 posted on 12/31/2008 8:56:25 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote,
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To: tedbel

**U.S. to abandon Israel**

Won’t happen.

130 posted on 12/31/2008 8:56:49 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: ClearCase_guy


131 posted on 12/31/2008 8:57:57 PM PST by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF - Year: 1972)
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To: Buddy B


132 posted on 12/31/2008 9:03:20 PM PST by VNam68
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To: Chris DeWeese

Parousia. Is that better?

133 posted on 12/31/2008 9:04:20 PM PST by gitmo (I am the latte-sipping, NYT-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, PC, arrogant liberal. -BO)
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To: familyop
"Not really."

Your point? (In 100 words or less). { 8^)

134 posted on 12/31/2008 9:06:25 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: gost2

Sorry, no one can know with absolute certainty what Daniel is referring to. Even Daniel did not understand all that he had seen, and he said so. There were things Daniel saw that he was commanded to not reveal.

Even the source you linked was weak in its arguments about Chapter 7.

And the linkage we were discussing was Rev. 12 and Daniel 2, not Daniel 2 and 8 and Rev 13, then with 7, a sequence which your source discusses at length.

I’m well familiar with various end times theories and views.

But it is abundantly clear that God gives us enough information, so that when we are in the events being described, we will recognize them. Not one jot or tittle will be overlooked or dispensed with.

But as for knowing all of the eschatological details, there is room for interpretation.

In the end, it will unfold as God has foretold, whether we understand all of the symbolism or not.

135 posted on 12/31/2008 9:20:09 PM PST by exit82 (It's all Obama's fault. And Biden is still a moron. They are both above their paygrade.)
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To: fish hawk

I wouldn’t put much stock in anything coming out of Hagmann or NEIN.

136 posted on 12/31/2008 9:30:50 PM PST by thecabal (We care a lot)
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To: CindyDawg

Interpretation of Revelations is pretty deep and hardly anything for novices to talk or worry about. Plenty else in the Bible to focus on.

137 posted on 12/31/2008 9:36:24 PM PST by plain talk
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To: killjoy

Are you an Islamist?

138 posted on 12/31/2008 9:55:15 PM PST by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I wasn’t proud when we bombed the Serbs.

139 posted on 12/31/2008 9:57:15 PM PST by katykelly
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To: Nuc1
What was the term for Jews that helped the Nazis in WWII?


140 posted on 12/31/2008 9:59:26 PM PST by Polarik (quote)
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