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U.S. to abandon Israel
ISRAPUNDIT ^ | Dec 31/08 | Ted Belman

Posted on 12/31/2008 7:06:25 PM PST by tedbel

U.S. Intelligence Official about Israel: "This is just the beginning".

U.S. Intelligence official "breaks silence" on Israel situation"

Homeland Security

31 December 2008: Northeast Intelligence Network director Doug Hagmann interviewed a highly-placed U.S. intelligence official late yesterday who not only confirmed rumors about escalated and more intensive Israeli military operations against the Muslim terrorists in Gaza, [but] warned of the increasing probability of abandonment of Israel by the U.S. and other Western countries based on what he termed "malicious intelligence."

"Remember that term," advised this well-placed intelligence official, "you'll be hearing it again."

"This is just the beginning," stated this intelligence official, who wished to remain anonymous. This official stated that the possibility for a much more protracted ground war is more likely today than at any other time in the past, adding that Israel is exercising her right to protect herself from her enemies in Gaza. But there is a catch, noted this official, and a big one at that: Israel could be about to lose the support of the United States.

    "I have every reason to believe, based on what I've seen at my level of [security] clearance especially over the last several years, that Israel will soon be completely on their own… or worse."

When asked what could be worse than losing the support of the United States, he stated:

    "when our administration provides more support to Arab countries [with] financial and military aid, undercutting Israel's defense efforts all while pushing Israel to succumb to the pressure of unreasonable demands designed to end with their political annihilation as a nation."

(Excerpt) Read more at israpundit.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ally; arabs; dhs; gaza; hamas; islam; israel; jihad; obamaspals; proarab
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To: tedbel
We should not be wondering about what will happen to Israel if the US turns her back but wonder about what will happen to the US.

US to abandon Israel at their own peril.

Both excellent observations. People always bitch about the money we give to Israel who is our only, true ally in the Middle East and whose return on investment (ROI) is huge. The US has benefitted from Israeli advances in the fields of science, technology, medicine, personal security, and national defense systems including anti-missle deterrents, identifying potential terrorists, commercial anti-terrorism meaaures as so on.

But Bush wants to give $20 billion in weapons to Saudi Arabia, the home of Bin Laden and 15 of the 9/11 terrorists, the principle exporter of Islamic fundamentalism, the richest nation on earth, and the most religiously repressive one, too.

When when the Bush Administration gives #20 billion to Saudi Arabia with nothing to offer us in return, except the use of an airbase and a few vague promises to keep the oil flowing.

We give $18 Billion to Egypt in advanced weaponwry, obstensibly for protection against the Iranans and the Muslim Brotherhooda a few security monitors.

I’m wondering why none are balking at Bush’s proposal to give $billions in advanced weaponry to radical Islamic countries? The Bush Administration wants to give $20 billion in weapons to Saudi Arabia, the home of Bin Laden and 15 of the 9/11 terrorists, the principle exporter of Islamic fundamentalism, the richest nation on earth, and the most religiously repressive?

Did you know that tourists to Saudi Arabia cannot bring in a cross, Star of David, Bible, or any other religious object that is non-Islamic? Did you know that Saudi Arabia forbids anyone with an Israeli passport from entering, and until 2005, the official tourist website specifically stated that “Jewish people” are banned from visiting.

Bush also wants to fork over $18 billion in advanced weaponry to Egypt, the home of the Muslim Brotherhood (a terrorist group worse than Al-Qaida), principle smuggler of illegal arms into Gaza, and principle exporter of the most vile and despicable anti-Semitic media ever seen or heard.

The Bush Administration naively believes that Egypt and Saudi Arabia would only use these weapons in self- defense against Iran and would never use them against Israel. Yeah, right. What about the American weapons they used against Israel in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973. What about all those American arms illegally smuggled to Gaza?

Aiding and abetting terrorist-supporting countries makes no sense whatsoever, but aiding our strongest ally Israel makes perfect sense. First of all, Israel is a strong bulwark against Islamic terrorism. Next, Israel receives no direct, economic aid from any other country. The other countries in the world have turned a blind eye to Israel’s suffering, choosing to fund Hezbollah’s requests for more rockets instead Before anyone bitches about the $3 billion-a-year that Bush had planned to give to Israel, you should know that we’ve already gone back on our pledge and diverted a big chunk of it to the Iraq War. Thanks to that turn-about, Israel will have a $550 million deficit next year that will severely limit its ability to defend itself. However, no cuts have been made to the monies going to Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Now, that’s something to shout about.

151 posted on 12/31/2008 10:35:13 PM PST by Polarik (quote)
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To: Ron Jeremy

I always wondered why so many Christians don’t believe that God really meant it when he went to a new covenant.
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Under the Old Covenant you had no right to the God of Abraham if you were not a Jew. The New Covenant made clean what was called unclean...a gentile (non-Jew...all who would believe, the world)...and gave you the same rights as Gods Chosen people. You were grafted in by the New Covenant. God did not expect people to become more sinful with this honor....or to think they had a right to blatently disobey God with a get out of jail free card. “Work out your salvation with fear and trembling.”
It is a narrow path...not the wide one that is easy and many travel.


152 posted on 12/31/2008 10:36:58 PM PST by briarbey b (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Fishrrman
I am skeptical that the offer will be that crudely put - especially, if offered as a direct quid pro quo - but I do expect Iran to offer B. Hussein Obama something for either a “moderation” of US support to Israel or increased pressure on the Jewish state. I am skeptical of a direct swap for one reason alone: a direct quid pro quo would entail a radical redirection in US policy, an act which would generate a political firestorm. Obama is too shrewd for a folly of that magnitude. I do believe he wants to decouple the US from Israel, but realizes the change must be gradual and imperceptible. One might liken the change Obama seeks to that of the old story of a frog in water. If you drop a frog in a pot of boiling water, it will leap out. But if you put it in a pot of water at room temperature, the frog will not drop out. Then, if you slowly, very slowly, heat the water, the frog will not notice the change in temperature until its too late. I fear that one day within the next four (or God forbid) eight years we will wonder how the US came to abandon so many of the pillars (foreign and domestic) that held this country up since 1776.
153 posted on 12/31/2008 10:45:36 PM PST by quadrant (1o)
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To: streetpreacher
So your animosity towards Israel stems from what?

Indifference, not animosity. Let them deal with their own problems.

154 posted on 12/31/2008 11:23:39 PM PST by killjoy (Life sucks, wear a helmet.)
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To: Chris DeWeese
The Rapture... it's not for everyone. I'll be going. You?

;-)

155 posted on 12/31/2008 11:39:38 PM PST by Gargantua ("...but Daddy... I don't want to go to Madrassas...)
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To: tedbel

Israel should thank the 78% of American Jews who voted for Obama.


156 posted on 12/31/2008 11:50:08 PM PST by LouD
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To: ClearCase_guy

Keep looking up.


157 posted on 12/31/2008 11:56:22 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: CindyDawg

The USA is going to be taken out of the equation. We’re not a major player in endtime events. There may be remnants of our forces that may be over there, but that’s it. We won’t be a superpower.


158 posted on 12/31/2008 11:57:54 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: olezip
The idea that the left plans to abandon Israel has been floating around for awhile...

The left in Israel is no different. 'Peace at any price' is not a new idea, nor does it have a nationality. US support, political and military, has been an anomaly in the world scene for a long time. Obama hates to be different.

159 posted on 01/01/2009 12:17:59 AM PST by Seven plus One
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To: quadrant
We would have no reason - rational or otherwise - to cease to support Israel.

Try to think the way a clinton-BO axis would about this. Reason has nothing to do with it. Political expediency and major bux, however...

160 posted on 01/01/2009 12:25:03 AM PST by Seven plus One
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To: CindyDawg

I couldn’t have stated it any better....if the U.S. does abandon Israel...it will be the final nail in OUR coffin....that would be the final insult to God...we are already on a very slippery slope and that would be the last straw...I pray it doesn’t happen, but I think our gov. actions the past few years have given a pretty good idea where this is heading.


161 posted on 01/01/2009 12:33:31 AM PST by Molly T.
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To: Cacique; forkinsocket; Cindy; Nachum; sheik yerbouty; MeanWestTexan

inho:

Israel is hoping Iran launches now/soon to back Hamas, that way Israel can bomb Iran before the the cursed ONE gets in on 01/20.

Ohmerde and Livnit have no brass between them; Ehud Barak had some but left most of his in the dress he wore on the beach in Lebanon, the rest at Camp David after Rham Emanuel had him kiss Arafart’s rear end, and then Edhud had to hear Arafart talk hudna and Quarish in Arabic on the radio ten minutes later.(hudna = false truce, Quarish is in koran, where moHAMhead, p*ss be upon him, massacred Jews and stole Medina).

If Kadima can’t at least wipe out most of Hamas, they are gone in the next election.

Bibi or Feiglin (or whoever) will be facing arab–lovers Gen. Jones at NSA, Robert Malley, Susan Rice and Susan (?) Powers and Shrillary the muncher of arab–carpet at State, all trying to gut Israel at the behest of Rev Wright’s house-boy in the WH.

Until a few months ago, Israel could always consider the “South Africa” isolation option because even if the USA cut off all loans, there was enough right wing American Jewish and Christian money to keep the Israeli military / R&D humming while the economy stayed almost self-sufficient.

As I do NOT see American jinos who voted for beHemobama urging him to back Israel, whoever is in power in Israel will have to make a choice between slow ongoing l;and surrender (and death of the state), or grow a serious pair and go to defcon Sampson Option, and tell the U.S. / EU to GFT...


162 posted on 01/01/2009 12:36:33 AM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: killjoy

“U.S. to abandon Israel”

Maybe as you grow older, more educated, and wiser you will see the error of your thoughts and statements on this matter.


163 posted on 01/01/2009 12:39:12 AM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and may have doomed us for a generation or more.)
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To: SJackson
Ping


164 posted on 01/01/2009 12:41:50 AM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: olezip

“I personally believe that it is time for the USA and UN to support Israel in the strongest way. “

Then sir, you either do not know history, or current events. The UN wants, and has wanted Isreal gone for the last 40+ years.


165 posted on 01/01/2009 12:48:22 AM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and may have doomed us for a generation or more.)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

High Volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel. or WOT [War on Terror]

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166 posted on 01/01/2009 1:26:23 AM PST by SJackson (The American people are wise in wanting change, 2 terms is plenty, Condi Rice)
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To: buckalfa

Is NEIN kind of like Debka? :)


167 posted on 01/01/2009 1:36:27 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: JSteff
Maybe as you grow older, more educated, and wiser you will see the error of your thoughts and statements on this matter.

You are probably right. As I grow older my indifference towards Israel will probably turn into animosity.

168 posted on 01/01/2009 2:23:05 AM PST by killjoy (Life sucks, wear a helmet.)
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To: tedbel

Look,
American Jews again overwhelmingly voted Democrat.
They voted what 80 percent for obamma lamma ding dong?
For the Olmert years the Israelis refused to defend Israel.
If Israel ceases to exist they have only themselves to blame.
For over 50 years the U.S. has been Israels biggest backer and still Israel spies on us to this day?
I will not lose sleep if this passes.


169 posted on 01/01/2009 3:50:07 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Polarik

If the shoe fits. Happy New Year!


170 posted on 01/01/2009 4:44:32 AM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: JSteff
Then sir, you either do not know history, or current events. The UN wants, and has wanted Israel gone for the last 40+ years.

What I am saying is that it is time for the UN to "poop or get off the pot!" It is time to get rid of that vile, corrupt organization once and for all. The UN has been less than useless for the past 40 years. It is time for the UN to strongly support Israel or get out of town. You would think that after 40+ years of failed policies the USA would start to get smart and stop giving $ billions or $ trillions in handouts to greedy ungrateful vermin.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

171 posted on 01/01/2009 4:57:48 AM PST by olezip
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To: Ron Jeremy

should be rather soon. I’ll let you know if I’m still here, although I suspect it will make the headlines!


172 posted on 01/01/2009 5:00:26 AM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: Fishrrman
IMHO, abandonment of Israel is not a strategic possibility because she could easily resort to her nuclear capability to even the playing field with the islamist crazies.
173 posted on 01/01/2009 5:19:29 AM PST by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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To: Fishrrman

“if the United States reverses course on its support for Israel, including its actions against Hamas in Gaza.”

I have little doubt that an Obama would do such a thing. However if he does he’ll curse the day his mother met his father. Hell curse the day he developed political ambitions outside of Chicago. He’ll curse the rising of every sun, and he will curse the setting of each sun. If he stabs Israel he stabs me.


174 posted on 01/01/2009 5:25:21 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: ClearCase_guy

Personally, If I was jewish I might be concerned about Obama’s presidency not because of some concocted muslim association he had as a child, which is simply too silly to contemplate, but because he’s black. I get the impression that blacks and jews are not the greatest of friends. However Obama is a Christian now, in his grown-up years, and has stated that he supports Israel. I haven’t seen any evidence that contradicts his statement. Politically, practically, and morally, that is and should be his policy.


175 posted on 01/01/2009 5:55:32 AM PST by Blanton
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To: tedbel

And when the Democrat ruled Unted States causes the final destructioin of Israel and resulting massacre of all the Israelis who can’t get out because of the American/European blockade, the Jewish vote in the US will continue to go to the Democrats by 85% or more.


176 posted on 01/01/2009 6:21:53 AM PST by arthurus ( H.L. Mencken said, "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")
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To: Blanton
Obama is a Christian now, in his grown-up years

Disagree strongly.

He attended a church for 20 years which had a mission statement that was not at all Christian, in my view. It followed a religion based on Africa and skin color, with some vague Christian trappings. It also had ties to the Nation of Islam. I saw his "church" as a political construct having virtually nothing to do with spiritual matters. And when things got hot and Obama stopped attending, he did not seek out another church, he just stopped attending services.

Also, based on various statements he has made in interviews ("there are many paths to God") I have to declare him to be the first non-Christian president we've ever had.

177 posted on 01/01/2009 6:24:48 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Recovering_Democrat
That is correct. NEIN produces sensational claims to generate subscriptions and ad revenue. I believe NEIN has even been banned by FR in the past as a non link to source. They may get something right now and then, but you know the story about the blind squirrel.

Still the article is something to think about.0bama’s “change” could included weakened support for Israel. I am not so sure that given America's financial IOUs to the rag head world that we won't be blackmailed into throwing Israel under the bus. Foreign debt weakens our sovereignty and ability to act unilaterally.

178 posted on 01/01/2009 6:53:17 AM PST by buckalfa (confused and bewildered)
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To: Recovering_Democrat; justiceseeker93; oswegodeee; TXRed; ncfool; samtheman; freekitty; IrishMike; ..

As a Jew myself, I ask that you please not lump all Jews into the Liberal moron category. There are many conservative Republican Jews in America and right here on FR. God will judge and deal with Liberal Jews that turned their backs on Israel and voted for the Muslim Messiah. They will not be judged favorably.


179 posted on 01/01/2009 7:24:59 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: familyop

Thanks familyop.


180 posted on 01/01/2009 7:48:50 AM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

You said a mouthful.


181 posted on 01/01/2009 9:12:45 AM PST by Munz (Infiltrate Interrogate Eradicate NEXT!)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Thanks for your comments! Smiley With Flag of Israel
182 posted on 01/01/2009 9:40:14 AM PST by Larousse2 (Like June Carter Cash, "I'm just tryin' to matter.")
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To: buckalfa
Change?
"Change"
183 posted on 01/01/2009 9:43:45 AM PST by Larousse2 (Like June Carter Cash, "I'm just tryin' to matter.")
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To: Seven plus One
I agree and disagree. Hussein/Clinton team are politically expedient to the nth degree. However, their expediency does have a certain logic (at least to their way of thinking) to it. They want better relations with the Arab/Muslim world; they feel that our support of Israel is an impediment to improved relations; therefore, the best way to improve relations is to decouple the US and Israel.
As I wrote, this notion has bit of superficial logic. The argument ignores the reality of Arab/Muslim hostility to the US and the West, which is religious, cultural, economic, and military. Given the state of the Muslim world, the hostility would remain if Israel did not exist, although the virulent criticism might be muted slightly - at least for a while.

Hussein/Clinton are unwilling to accept this argument, as they view the world through the distorted and self-absorbed lenses of their own opinions. They fail to realize that Israel is the but the visible symbol of Muslin anger with the US and not the cause of it.

184 posted on 01/01/2009 9:57:40 AM PST by quadrant (1o)
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To: ClearCase_guy

bump


185 posted on 01/01/2009 10:06:07 AM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

What goes around comes around.


186 posted on 01/01/2009 10:11:48 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Judgement comes before deliverance

Today’s believers do not deserve the Rapture, but judgement first

While the Bible declares there will be a pre-trib rapture, it is silent on the US as a nation, and we are more powerful than Rome ever was, more defensive than anyone of Israel, and more influential than any other nation in the history of the world for our short time

I no longer believe that believers will be raptured out of trouble, we will be judged first, with war, pestilence and plague so to speak, The US as a nation

THEN comes the rapture before the 7 years


187 posted on 01/01/2009 10:12:42 AM PST by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: Larousse2

ROTFLMAO !


188 posted on 01/01/2009 11:15:42 AM PST by buckalfa (confused and bewildered)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

I hope you know I do not lump all Jews into the Liberal moron category!

All is a big category. But the numbers I saw were that 70% voted for Hussein. That number is stunning. I was certain he would not get anywhere NEAR the numbers John effin Kerry, who served in Vietnam, got. I was wrong, and the fact is highly disturbing.

95+% of blacks voted for Hussein. That is repulsive, too, but then again 95% of blacks always vote for the Democrat operative. Shoot, the ‘rats could’ve run Robert the Klansman Byrd, and that demographic would overwhelmingly, slavishly, (pun?) pull the lever for him.

How American Jews could vote for the guy, I don’t know. But heck, the demographic I would identify with, evangelical Christians, have started to pull away from conservatism, too. Believe me, my friend, I am just as tough on my own people. :)

Shalom.


189 posted on 01/01/2009 12:17:14 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: advance_copy
Bullsh@t.

Israel was not armed or defended by the USA between 1948 to 1967. In fact, the US placed a weapons embargo AGAINST Israel in their War of Independence.

It was actually the Communist bloc countries that were willing to provide the weapons and armament necessary for Israel to win their War of Independence, funneled through Czechoslovakia. (They thought that Israel might become communist, based off the how the kibbutzim were organized.)

After that, Israel mainly procured it's weaponry from France. It was only after the incredible successes in the Six-Day War did the US even begin to think about supplying weaponry to Israel.

190 posted on 01/01/2009 2:21:23 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

As I’ve stated before, God will judge Liberal Jewish morons for turning their backs on Israel. Based on our history, they will be judged harshly by their God, if they have one at all. Any Jew, IMO, that voted for the Muslim Messiah, is not a Jew or at least not one that I would identify with ever. They’re reprehensible and worthless human debris. There were Jews that helped the Nazis and I would place Liberals Jews in the same category.


191 posted on 01/01/2009 4:14:28 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: tedbel
We'd better hope IDF scores big!
The Hate Bus
192 posted on 01/01/2009 4:53:24 PM PST by Larousse2 (Like June Carter Cash, "I'm just tryin' to matter.")
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; justiceseeker93; ..
Note: this topic is from December.
Northeast Intelligence Network director Doug Hagmann interviewed a highly-placed U.S. intelligence official late yesterday who not only confirmed rumors about escalated and more intensive Israeli military operations against the Muslim terrorists in Gaza, [but] warned of the increasing probability of abandonment of Israel by the U.S. and other Western countries based on what he termed "malicious intelligence." "Remember that term," advised this well-placed intelligence official, "you'll be hearing it again."

193 posted on 02/08/2009 7:00:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Recovering_Democrat; SunkenCiv; ml/nj; rmlew; ExTexasRedhead; SJackson; Nachum; forkinsocket; ...
American Jews voted for Hussein.

Yes, the majority of them did, but certainly not all, especially the American Jews actually living in Israel.

He will not have Israel's best interests in mind.

True. Hopefully, the Israelis con somewhat comepensate for the American election results by seeing to it that Natanyahu will be the next Israeli PM as a result of Tuesday's election.

194 posted on 02/08/2009 7:18:54 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

We probably should all always keep in mind that the existence and survival of Israel may be important to most Jews (and I believe it is) but that it isn’t usually a foreground issue, particularly for younger Jews. If Israel were destroyed, its refugees would find an outpouring of support (including financial support) among American Jews.


195 posted on 02/08/2009 7:54:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Recovering_Democrat; justiceseeker93
American Jews voted for Hussein. He will not have Israel’s best interest in mind.
BHO doesn't have America's interests in mind either. He signed an executive order to help resettle Gazans in America, soon after apologizing to the Muslim world on Al Arabiya.

I will not apologize for the suicidal lemming liberalism of my co-religionists, but Obama did lie to them and all American people.
196 posted on 02/08/2009 8:48:56 PM PST by rmlew (The loyal opposition to a regime dedicated to overthrowing the Constitution are accomplices.)
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To: killjoy

And what other country should the US abandon? What of Thailand? It has its own Islamist insurgency.


197 posted on 02/08/2009 10:07:33 PM PST by rmlew (The loyal opposition to a regime dedicated to overthrowing the Constitution are accomplices.)
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To: briarbey b
Under the Old Covenant you had no right to the God of Abraham if you were not a Jew.
Are you out to prove your own ignorance or that of all follower of replacement theology?
Nowhere is G_d limited to the Children of Israel. If you read the Bible, foreign leaders and nations repeatedly pray to G_d. The most famous example would be the people of Ninevah after Jonah warned them. Go pick up the Book of Jonah. Then retract your statement like an adult.

In fact, then read the Book of Job. It might surpise you to learn that Job, the most moral of men, was a gentile follower of G_d.

198 posted on 02/08/2009 10:12:48 PM PST by rmlew (The loyal opposition to a regime dedicated to overthrowing the Constitution are accomplices.)
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To: rmlew
And what other country should the US abandon? What of Thailand? It has its own Islamist insurgency.

US doesn't really support Thailand. There are yearly military exercises but those are held to benefit the US, not Thailand. It does pump a lot of money into the economy, mostly into the pockets of bargirls, but it is far from being 'support' in the same way the US throws money at Israel.

199 posted on 02/09/2009 9:23:29 PM PST by killjoy (Life sucks, wear a helmet.)
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