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U.S. to abandon Israel
ISRAPUNDIT ^ | Dec 31/08 | Ted Belman

Posted on 12/31/2008 7:06:25 PM PST by tedbel

U.S. Intelligence Official about Israel: "This is just the beginning".

U.S. Intelligence official "breaks silence" on Israel situation"

Homeland Security

31 December 2008: Northeast Intelligence Network director Doug Hagmann interviewed a highly-placed U.S. intelligence official late yesterday who not only confirmed rumors about escalated and more intensive Israeli military operations against the Muslim terrorists in Gaza, [but] warned of the increasing probability of abandonment of Israel by the U.S. and other Western countries based on what he termed "malicious intelligence."

"Remember that term," advised this well-placed intelligence official, "you'll be hearing it again."

"This is just the beginning," stated this intelligence official, who wished to remain anonymous. This official stated that the possibility for a much more protracted ground war is more likely today than at any other time in the past, adding that Israel is exercising her right to protect herself from her enemies in Gaza. But there is a catch, noted this official, and a big one at that: Israel could be about to lose the support of the United States.

    "I have every reason to believe, based on what I've seen at my level of [security] clearance especially over the last several years, that Israel will soon be completely on their own… or worse."

When asked what could be worse than losing the support of the United States, he stated:

    "when our administration provides more support to Arab countries [with] financial and military aid, undercutting Israel's defense efforts all while pushing Israel to succumb to the pressure of unreasonable demands designed to end with their political annihilation as a nation."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ally; arabs; dhs; gaza; hamas; islam; israel; jihad; obamaspals; proarab
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To: Be_Politically_Erect
Yes, BHO did say that! 12th Inman
51 posted on 12/31/2008 7:31:11 PM PST by Larousse2 (Like June Carter Cash, "I'm just tryin' to matter.")
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To: killjoy

Why on earth would you possibly think this is good?


52 posted on 12/31/2008 7:31:46 PM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: tedbel

Why is this a surprise? Obama wants to make the US “loved” again. What better way to make the World love us than to shaft Israel? [You’ll note that I said love, not respect.]

BTW—The Jews haven’t done themselves any favors with their birthrate. They are now down to 1.5% of the US population or so—and dropping. Meanwhile, the Muslim population will continue to increase. Yeah, the Jews have $$ to contribute, and that will help for a while (no thanks to Uncle Bernie Madoff). In the long run, however, its numbers and votes that matter.


53 posted on 12/31/2008 7:33:38 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: tedbel
If the US ever abandons Israel, it will be the beginning of the end of the US.
54 posted on 12/31/2008 7:34:58 PM PST by quadrant (1o)
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To: quadrant
If the US ever abandons Israel, it will be the beginning of the end of the US.

Why? I support Israel, but we must be pretty weak if somehow we will go down because Israel does. How did we even manage to survive prior to 1948?

56 posted on 12/31/2008 7:36:43 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: Chris DeWeese

“Rapture’s coming.

There’s no such thing, at least not in the Bible.”

“1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”


57 posted on 12/31/2008 7:37:09 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Chris DeWeese

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.


58 posted on 12/31/2008 7:37:19 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Ron Jeremy

Dan 7:4
Rev 12:14


59 posted on 12/31/2008 7:37:38 PM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: Ron Jeremy

Israel is not a ‘land’, it’s a people.


60 posted on 12/31/2008 7:38:57 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: wedwo
"Ok, here we go again, another reporter interviewing mister Anonymity."

From the article:
"Northeast Intelligence Network director Doug Hagmann interviewed a highly-placed U.S. intelligence official..."


61 posted on 12/31/2008 7:40:00 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: advance_copy

Not sure how those mean that the US is the eagle that will support Israel, but then again people can interpret revelations however they want, I suppose.


62 posted on 12/31/2008 7:40:14 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: Ron Jeremy
Because we will have abandoned an ally purely to political expediency. We abandoned S Vietnam in part because the political elite was unwilling to vest itself in the country, but Israelis are willing to fight and die for theirs. We would have no reason - rational or otherwise - to cease to support Israel.
63 posted on 12/31/2008 7:40:24 PM PST by quadrant (1o)
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To: Bigh4u2
Israel is not a ‘land’, it’s a people.

That's funny. I distinctly recall this place on a map called Israel, that people fight over all the time.

64 posted on 12/31/2008 7:41:07 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: quadrant

Well I agree, but I fail to see how it neccessarily means the downfall of our country.


66 posted on 12/31/2008 7:42:09 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: tedbel

You have a long and storied posting history of pimping your website.


67 posted on 12/31/2008 7:42:27 PM PST by Lazamataz (Illegal Zombies: Just Eating the Brains that Ordinary Americans Won't Eat)
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To: tedbel
"U.S. to abandon Israel"

And a few years later,...

Five out of six Americans engage in nonpolitical politics, dump Republican and Democrat political parties

Most Americans Support Right of Jews to Live and Build in Judea-Samaria
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/927783/posts
June 10, 2003
"By a margin of nearly five to one, Americans oppose the Bush administration's demand to halt all further Jewish construction in Judea-Samaria (the West Bank) and Gaza . . . The poll, carried out by John McLaughlin & Associates, surveyed a scientific sample of 1,000 American adults on May 21, 2003."


68 posted on 12/31/2008 7:42:53 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: Ron Jeremy

So there was no ‘Israel’ before 1948?

http://www.allabouttruth.org/history-of-israel.htm


69 posted on 12/31/2008 7:43:54 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Ron Jeremy

Dude, there would not BE an Israel if it weren’t for the U.S.


70 posted on 12/31/2008 7:44:02 PM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: tedbel

Masada will not fall again


71 posted on 12/31/2008 7:44:15 PM PST by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: Bigh4u2

There will always be an Israel.


72 posted on 12/31/2008 7:44:23 PM PST by chiefqc
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To: tedbel

The article and the source are suspect, i.e. full of it.


73 posted on 12/31/2008 7:44:51 PM PST by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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To: chiefqc

Yes...there will..


74 posted on 12/31/2008 7:45:30 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: advance_copy
Dude, there would not BE an Israel if it weren’t for the U.S.

OK, so?

75 posted on 12/31/2008 7:45:41 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: CindyDawg

“It’s not called the Rapture but it’s there.”

I hope that a pre-tribulation rapture is how it will play out. However, I don’t see this in scripture. I am inclined to think, hoping I’m wrong, that scripture indicates Christians will have to go through the tribulation.

You might be interested to know that pre-trib rapture theology is relatively new in Christianity. I “think” it didn’t catch on until late 19th and early 20th centuries. It really caught on big when Hal Lindsay started writing his best sellers in the early 70s.

I am not dogmatic on my views in this area of theology. The differing views of “end times” causes a great deal of anger and stife with some. I’m not one of them. I am only dogmatic/certain on one thing. Namely that Jesus Christ will bodily return at a time of His chosing as has been planned all along. The hows and when are unclear to me.


76 posted on 12/31/2008 7:45:55 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: tedbel

“But, Lord, Lord ... would you destroy America if 100 righteous men can be found there? ... Fifty? ... Ten?”


77 posted on 12/31/2008 7:46:18 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: Bigh4u2
So there was no ‘Israel’ before 1948?

. Oh, OK. So the reason the US was formed and grew is/was because of Israel?

78 posted on 12/31/2008 7:46:28 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: tedbel

We have a treasonous government.


79 posted on 12/31/2008 7:47:51 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Ron Jeremy

So I prove you wrong and you change the subject?

Thanks for playing....

I don’t suffer fools well..

Spin it to someone else.


80 posted on 12/31/2008 7:48:03 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: tedbel
""I have every reason to believe, based on what I've seen at my level of [security] clearance especially over the last several years, that Israel will soon be completely on their own… or worse."

That...from one of the Homeland Security directors, folks (see link above in article). It's obvious from what I've seen from public comments and actions of some intel people over the last few years, too ("neo-cons," etc.). ...not to mention intel/security links in the State Dept.


81 posted on 12/31/2008 7:48:34 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: RobinOfKingston
“But, Lord, Lord ... would you destroy America if 100 righteous men can be found there? ... Fifty? ... Ten?”

I'm sure He can find 100 righteous men, just not in Congress

82 posted on 12/31/2008 7:49:05 PM PST by Gone_Postal (We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat)
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To: Ron Jeremy
I met an Israeli here a couple of years ago. He had fought in the IDF for four years.

He said that people just don't get it. He said Israel is NOT fighting over real estate.

He told me that Israel is fighting for every human being to worship as he or she chooses, without fear of being bombed, burned to death, or beheaded in the process.

83 posted on 12/31/2008 7:49:17 PM PST by Larousse2 (Like June Carter Cash, "I'm just tryin' to matter.")
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To: Ron Jeremy
Inadvertently, I gave the impression that were the US to abandon Israel, the US would collapse immediately. But a country is only as good as its word. If we abandon Israel after 50+ years of support, why should anyone want our support?
84 posted on 12/31/2008 7:51:38 PM PST by quadrant (1o)
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To: Ron Jeremy

Israel as a nation for Jews (noting here that Jesus was a Jew, as was his mother Mary) was created entirely because of the U.S. We have armed and defended Israel ever since. We are also the eagle plucked out of the lion, the U.K., being the fulfillment of prophecy in Rev and Dan.

So frankly, it does not matter what anyone thinks of it, the U.S. will defend Israel, always. And we’ll do a great job of it.


85 posted on 12/31/2008 7:52:03 PM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: Ron Jeremy

God is the SAME yesterday, today and tomorrow. Christ did not die to be a free pass for people to do whatever, when ever they want. He died to give you the power to overcome your fleshly nature. There are alot of people flinging around the name of Jesus...so what??? Which Christ is it??
The Christ who changes a life?? or the anti-christ who says..don’t worry about it...you made your 3 min. show of righteousness..now go live like you want. I don’t think Christ was sacrificed for that!!

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father, which is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21)

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7:22-23)

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me. (John 14:15,21,23-24)

UNLESS a man REPENTS (turns from his evil ways...not just the lip service of oh..sooorry.) he will NOT enter the Kingdom of Heaven. I repeat NOT ENTER!! REPENT!! while you still can!


86 posted on 12/31/2008 7:53:38 PM PST by briarbey b (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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All:

It’s treason to support the enemy for an ally. America is no place for your arguments for aiding and abetting the enemy or for opposing support of our ally—one of the very few allies who hasn’t engaged in appeasement cowardice with the enemy (e.g., western European appeasements).


87 posted on 12/31/2008 7:53:41 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: advance_copy

Amen....Well said.


88 posted on 12/31/2008 7:55:00 PM PST by skimask (Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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All:

Correction:

It’s treason to support the enemy by opposing an ally.


89 posted on 12/31/2008 7:55:07 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: tedbel
Maybe this is the event that Biden warned about that would happen in the first few months of an Obama presidency.

He said the decisions made would appear to be wrong and unpopular.

90 posted on 12/31/2008 7:56:53 PM PST by R_Kangel (`.`)
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To: advance_copy

No. Ezekiel 38 clearly states when Israel fights the war with Russia and Iran they will stand alone. It is then that God Himself will fight for them.
I am unclear if this is a result of the war happening after the Rapture, or just the result of a corrupt administration. But Israel will be abandoned by all but God.


91 posted on 12/31/2008 7:59:23 PM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: Bigh4u2
So I prove you wrong and you change the subject?

How did you prove me wrong? I asked that if the US couldn't survive without Israel, how did we manage before 1948?

You brought up the reasonable point that, while the modern nation-state of Israel started in 1948, one could say Israel always existed. OK.

So then, is it your contention that the US's growth in, say, the 1800's was due to the existence of Israel? Or our support for Israel? Or what?

92 posted on 12/31/2008 8:01:37 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: Larousse2

Cool.. and I support Israel. Just not for the reason some here do.


93 posted on 12/31/2008 8:02:14 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: tedbel

Malicious. Those darn Israelis are maliciously impaling themselves on Palestinian bullets and shrapnel. B*stards!!


94 posted on 12/31/2008 8:03:16 PM PST by Reaganesque
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To: wedwo

Thank you!


95 posted on 12/31/2008 8:04:21 PM PST by Valin
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To: tedbel
Genesis 12:3

“And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee...”

Lord, I pray for the peace of Jerusalem and for Zion. Please hear the cries of your people in a nation which has turned from your ways, your Word and your light. Not all of us are the enemies of Zion. Please remember this in your judgment on a wayward nation.

96 posted on 12/31/2008 8:05:13 PM PST by 444Flyer
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To: briarbey b

God is the same, yesterday, today, and tomorrow. I agree. But he apparently changed his mind, going from an Old covenant to a new covenant. I always wondered why so many Christians don’t believe that God really meant it when he went to a new covenant.


97 posted on 12/31/2008 8:05:28 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Please tell me you aren’t one of those who believe we’re all gonna fly away? Our Father is coming to establish his Kingdom on Heaen, why would we be ‘Raptured’ away?


98 posted on 12/31/2008 8:05:44 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Reaganesque; All
To: Larousse2 “...In my opinion, it can surely be no coincidence that the most humane place in all of the Middle East is surrounded by barbarians who wish to extinguish it in the exact degree to which they systematically abuse their own children. As a matter of fact, a couple of days ago a reader sent me this link to a piece in the Claremont Review on child sacrifice. In it, the author recalls Golda Meir’s famous remark about how “peace with the Palestinians will be possible when they love their own children more than they hate the Israelis. In saying so, she touched upon a fundamental difference between pagan and biblical religion: the presence or absence of child sacrifice.... Many ancient peoples believed in sacrificing a child to an angry god like Moloch or Baal in order to avert misfortune. Today, thousands of Muslims believe that sacrificing their children as ‘suicide’ bombers in a crowd of people pleases their God Allah. More, Islamic terrorists invite the death of children by placing their military and political headquarters in residential areas which they know their enemies will strike.” Folks, is this not an obvious, if horrid—and therefore denied—truth about mankind in general and the Islamic world in particular? The author concludes his piece on a pessimistic note, speculating that “if the current intellectuals’ project of undermining the Biblical traditions of the Western world continues unabated..., rather than embracing some new, ‘enlightened’ philosophy which previous generations were supposedly too dull to conceive or practice, likely we will wind up with ancient paganism instead.” This is exactly what I have stated in the past. Naive secularists believe that if we can only eliminate religion, then we will end up with a scientific and rational worldview. Not so. Eliminate religion—specifically, Judeo-Christian religion—and pagan magic rushes in to fill the breach. If your three eyes are opened, you only see it everywhere. As the writer puts it, “Paganism has the advantage of being older than Christianity, the faith which arouses most of the hatred of the pseudo-intellectuals of our time.... Much of Islam today seems to have more in common with the pagan religions which preceded its founding in the seventh century. No clearer case of child sacrifice exists now than radical Islam’s cult of suicide bombings...” Who is that voice telling Muslims to murder children—both their own and others’? Could it be the same voice that told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac? No: could it possibly not be the same voice? As a psychologist, I see the story of Abraham and Isaac as a primordial, archetypal tale of how barbarous pagans stopped listening to their psychotic, child-hating “god,” and instead took a right turn in history, discovered the God of Love, and became the Jews that we know and love. That little crack of light that opened up in antiquity runs in a straight line to us. Another line leads to contemporary Islam and its allies among the international Left. It is so obvious, and yet people do not see. This occasionally causes me real despair, as if the foundations of the West are being eroded in plain sight, on one side by Islamic do-badders, on the other side by leftist do-gooders. ...” [snip]
99 posted on 12/31/2008 8:07:03 PM PST by Larousse2 (Like June Carter Cash, "I'm just tryin' to matter.")
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To: Ron Jeremy
"God is the same, yesterday, today, and tomorrow. I agree. But he apparently changed his mind, going from an Old covenant to a new covenant."

Nope.

Malachi 3:6

Zechariah 14:9

Isaiah 43:11


100 posted on 12/31/2008 8:09:14 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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