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Hamas Plans To Defeat Israeli Force With Epic "Last Stand" At Gaza City
DEBKAfile ^ | January 1, 2009 | Exclusive Report

Posted on 01/01/2009 7:37:48 AM PST by Fennie

DEBKAfile's military sources report that Hamas does not propose to put its entire 15,000-strong army in harm's way against the expected Israeli military invasion. It will confine its resistance to small pockets and sabotage and let Israel troops occupy most of Gaza Strip territory.

Assuming the incoming force will stop short of conquering Gaza City and put it to siege, Hamas planners believe this siege force will be Israel's Achilles heel. They propose to wear it down over weeks by nocturnal guerilla forays from within Gaza City and force an inconclusive end to the conflict.

(Excerpt) Read more at debka.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: debka; gaza; hamas; islam; israel; jihad; wot
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1 posted on 01/01/2009 7:37:48 AM PST by Fennie
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To: Fennie

Yeah Hitler had a similar plan to defeat the Soviets with a climatic battle at Berlin. Hopefully it works out just as well for Hamas.


3 posted on 01/01/2009 7:39:39 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Fennie

Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Quaeda; the Taliban, Islamic Jihad - all Muzzie terrorists! How come there are not, say, 5 Presbyterian terrorist groups? Or 5 Episcopalian ones? Just Muslims?


4 posted on 01/01/2009 7:40:25 AM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: 2harddrive

Because Islam is the Religion of Peace, right?


5 posted on 01/01/2009 7:41:13 AM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Fennie
Suicidal fiasco. Go for it muzzie scum.
6 posted on 01/01/2009 7:44:22 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Fennie
Last Dance!?!
7 posted on 01/01/2009 7:45:23 AM PST by csvset
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To: Fennie

Epic alright, Epic Fail!


8 posted on 01/01/2009 7:45:28 AM PST by NonValueAdded (once you get to really know people, there are always better reasons than [race] for despising them.)
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To: Fennie
After 9/11 this was the scene on Palestinian streets...
And now they want our sympathy?



9 posted on 01/01/2009 7:53:59 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Fennie
DEBKAfile
Hamas Plans To Defeat Israeli Force With Epic "Last Stand" At Gaza City
Well gee, if its in DEBKA it must be true.

This would have more credibilty if it came from the National Enquirer. DEBKA is wrong more often than drunk TV weatherman in Podunk.

Wair, I take that back, DEBKA is n-e-v-e-r right.

10 posted on 01/01/2009 7:56:45 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Fennie

“It will confine its resistance to small pockets and sabotage and let Israel troops occupy most of Gaza Strip territory.”

This really presents no real problem....Give the city 3 days to evacuate anyone who wishes to continue breathing to the beach, then reduce the entire city to sand. Afterward, shoot anyone left who holds a gun, a rock, or anything else in a threatening manor. Problem solved.


11 posted on 01/01/2009 7:57:25 AM PST by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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To: Fennie
A last stand? Wow... Israel can kill Hamas all in one swoop. But I still stand by my premise that unless all of Gaza is wiped out, another group will simply take Hamas’ place.
12 posted on 01/01/2009 7:57:39 AM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: HangnJudge

“And now they want our sympathy?”

Well,,, that and the money we keep sending them!


13 posted on 01/01/2009 8:01:47 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing! I'm a doctor, and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: Fennie

14 posted on 01/01/2009 8:05:53 AM PST by KoRn
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
“And now they want our sympathy?”

Well,,, that and the money we keep sending them!

And even with that, how much is getting to the
“Poor and Downtrodden” People?

And where is the funding coming from for Hamas and their “Friends?"

And where is the moral outrage toward the
genocidal slaughter ongoing in Africa?

15 posted on 01/01/2009 8:07:39 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Condor51

I would sooner believe reports from DEBKA than I would those from the BBC, AP, Reuters or the New York Times.


16 posted on 01/01/2009 8:08:28 AM PST by Blennos (High Point, NC)
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To: Fennie

Isreael should wait until they get a bunch of liberal human shields in. Two birds with one stone.


17 posted on 01/01/2009 8:10:13 AM PST by screaminsunshine (.)
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To: Fennie
Friends don't let friends embarrass themselves with Debka
18 posted on 01/01/2009 8:10:52 AM PST by badpacifist ("Blessings come from God and He don't bless what he is against" ...Mrs Ray Charles)
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To: Fennie

Negotiate with killers whose goal isto destroy not only you, but your family, race, religion, and country? Only liberals are that dumb.

Solution? Blockade, quit feeding, watering, and fueling them. Establish a new election, with simple terms: Permanant recognition of Israel right of existance, settlement on terms Arafat refused, VERY permanent ink on finger after voting, and abide by the results.

The American targeting parameters on the Nuclear drops on Japan were: “Military targets surrounded by workers housing”.

Give Hamas, Hizbullah, and Iran each the option to live in peace, or die. Wait another year, the option will not be one of survival for Israel.


19 posted on 01/01/2009 8:11:47 AM PST by kendwell (The task.... is not yours to finish. Nor are you to refrain from it altogether)
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To: Fennie
I hope they do dig in for a last stand, because it will truly be so. However they are lobbying the UN and weak Western nations (i.e. Europe) to save their asses already.
20 posted on 01/01/2009 8:13:05 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Fennie
Yes, good strategy.

I suggest they group tightly together, to show solidarity and bravery, perhaps on some high place in an area void of Innocent civilians

21 posted on 01/01/2009 8:13:05 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go?)
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To: KoRn

All mushroom cloud posting morons need to grow up, get real or look at a map prior to posting.

Pure, ugly ignorance.


22 posted on 01/01/2009 8:21:59 AM PST by SkyShot (My keboard's y is dodgy)
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To: SkyShot

Lighten up. It was a joke.

I’ll be sure to use a /sarc tag with my nukes from now on.

Just for you. :p


23 posted on 01/01/2009 8:25:34 AM PST by KoRn
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To: wgflyer
Give the city 3 days to evacuate anyone who wishes to continue breathing to the beach, then reduce the entire city to sand. Afterward, shoot anyone left who holds a gun, a rock, or anything else in a threatening manor. Problem solved.

With the media and humanitarian groups then to discover the charred bodies of women and children held as hostages. Great plan you've got there. /s

24 posted on 01/01/2009 8:28:19 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Fennie
If I understand you, Hamas' “strategy” is premised on Israel playing by their rules? Good luck with that.
25 posted on 01/01/2009 8:28:47 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for Necro-Americans.)
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To: Fennie

And if Israel fights a defensive, PC war, more concerned with the opinions of the media than with victory, Hamas will indeed be the winner. And Olmert will have succeeded in betraying his nation/people yet again.


26 posted on 01/01/2009 8:28:58 AM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Fennie

DEBKA?


27 posted on 01/01/2009 8:39:00 AM PST by mojitojoe
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To: pnh102
But I still stand by my premise that unless all of Gaza is wiped out, another group will simply take Hamas’ place.

And that's the plan. Israel does NOT want to take over Gaza, it will turn the Strip over to Fatah. Fatah's been wising up lately, and realizes that the world will shower it with boatloads of free money if it will only make peace with Israel. All Israel needs to do is to cripple Hamas' leadership and ability to fight, then it can ferry Fatah troops over from the West Bank to "reclaim" Gaza.

Once Fatah takes over, they distribute food and medical supplies to the Palis, they become the legitimate government over there. They sign a two-state treaty with Israel, and forswear any ties with Iran. Everybody in the region is then happy, except for a few remaining Hamas-Hezbollah types that can be taken out by Arabic governments that distrust Iran as much as we do.

28 posted on 01/01/2009 8:39:20 AM PST by hunter112 (We seem to be on an excrement river in a Native American watercraft without a propulsion device.)
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To: Carry_Okie

“With the media and humanitarian groups then to discover the charred bodies of women and children held as hostages. Great plan you’ve got there”

You mean, Israel might not get a fair shake in the world media?


29 posted on 01/01/2009 8:40:05 AM PST by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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To: Fennie
“Hamas plans to defeat Israeli force with epic ‘last stand’..”

Don't these guys understand the meaning of the term “LAST stand”???

30 posted on 01/01/2009 8:41:03 AM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: Blennos
*** I would sooner believe reports from DEBKA than I would those from the BBC, AP, Reuters or the New York Times. ***

That's fine. Whatever you like.

31 posted on 01/01/2009 8:47:57 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Fennie
Here is the best visual since the MSM cant be relied upon to report facts. Anyone know what it says?

Photobucket

32 posted on 01/01/2009 8:58:11 AM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: hunter112
Fatah's been wising up lately, and realizes that the world will shower it with boatloads of free money if it will only make peace with Israel.

Fatah is no different than Hamas ideologically. Fatah wants to see an end to the Jewish people just as much as Hamas does. The only difference between the two is that Fatah says nice things about Jews in English before they shout for "Death to the Jews" in Arabic.

We need to accept that there will never be a 2 state solution. The Palestinians live their lives just to kill as many Jews as possible. For proof, I cite Hamas' electoral victories in Gaza prior to its coup. The people in Gaza voted for whoever would kill as many Jews as possible. Fatah lost because it wasn't killing Jews fast enough. Hopefully if Israel doesn't chicken out and finally defeats Hamas for good, another group of Palestinians will simply rise up to take its place. That's why Gaza needs to be wiped out.

33 posted on 01/01/2009 9:00:18 AM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: 2harddrive
Because islam is a death cult... and anyone telling you different is lying and likely a muzzie themselves. Read the koran and decide for yourself.

LLS

34 posted on 01/01/2009 9:04:51 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my president... NEVER!)
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To: Fennie

Where is Baghdad Bob for these types of announcements?


35 posted on 01/01/2009 9:07:36 AM PST by Laserman
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To: hinckley buzzard

What is the ultimate Muslim goal? Death. They want to die. So, expedite them.


36 posted on 01/01/2009 9:17:46 AM PST by abclily
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To: Fennie

I can just see this. All of the bad guys nestled among the general public in Gaza city waiting for the final battle.

Then Israel just doesn’t bother and leaves them waiting for their historic battle. NOT!


37 posted on 01/01/2009 9:19:53 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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And when this is over, most of Hamas will be dead, a good number of innocent people will be dead, and several hundred Israelis will be dead or wounded. If this is what the enemy plans, then don't do it. Keep up the air attacks a while. It's not as if Hamas has any anti-air defenses except women and children!
38 posted on 01/01/2009 9:22:59 AM PST by GAB-1955 (Kicking and Screaming into the Kingdom of Heaven! (USCG Aux))
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To: Fennie
“Hamas Plans To Defeat Israeli Force With Epic “Last Stand” At Gaza City”

Gee, can't wait to see it! A blockbuster for sure. How long before Pallywood will get it to theaters.

Given how they drag out most of their films they will need a few intermissions in this one. Or maybe it will be a multi part movie like “Raiders in the lost act" or something.

Even Yassir’s body can be taken out and used in several scenes. See, he is not useless even today.

39 posted on 01/01/2009 9:28:37 AM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and may have doomed us for a generation or more.)
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They propose to wear it down over weeks by nocturnal guerilla forays from within Gaza City

Live like rats, die like rats.

40 posted on 01/01/2009 9:28:41 AM PST by Dr.Deth
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They propose to wear it down over weeks by nocturnal guerrilla forays from within Gaza City

I imagine that Israel could very easily whack any rats that try to maneuver under the cover of darkness.

41 posted on 01/01/2009 9:32:40 AM PST by csvset
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To: Fennie

In fact, the Iraq insurgency has taught us many valuable lessons about urban guerilla warfare, and I am certain that Israel has paid very close attention to those “teaching moments.”

Israel already controls almost all access to Gaza, and can tighten that still more as soon as the IDF enters the territory. They need to make their own video journal of their actions while making certain that they accomplish ALL of their military objectives. The journal should include multiple formats, including the usual forms promulgated by the usual propagandists.

Then they need to scrub the journals of prejudicial scenes and release them to the public, partly as “captured” reporting.


42 posted on 01/01/2009 9:57:40 AM PST by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!.)
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To: pnh102
Fatah is no different than Hamas ideologically.

A half dozen years ago, I would have agreed with you. But there have been a few changes since then.

First, Arafat is dead. Everyone knows that he had 97% of what he wanted in his mitts at the Camp David peace summit, and that wasn't good enough for him. He was also an old-line fighter against Israel from way back when, and the numerous failed attempts of Israel to kill him just solidified his hate.

Second, there is the rise of Mahmoud Abbas. Yes, he was (and may still be) a Holocaust denier, but you pretty much have to be one to become a leader of Palestinians. He is noted for being one of the first of the Pali leaders to try to get the PLO to recognize Israel. His role in the fairly successful Oslo peace agreements is acknowledged. He doesn't have the same history of animosity with Israel that Arafat did.

Third, Abbas got his hiney kicked by Hamas just a year and a half ago, and he's still smarting from it. The Hamas-Fatah split was a physical one as well as an ideological one, drawing Fatah over to the West Bank, and consolidating Hamas in Gaza. Since Abbas took over the more moderate factions in the West Bank, he's tried to 'play nice' while still mouthing the words that Palestinians need to hear come out of the mouth of a putative leader.

Fourth, Israel and Abbas know that the world will pay for peace. They've seen it with Egypt and Jordan, and they've seen both the US and the EU turn on the money spigot when Fatah made the break with Hamas. That source of funding will gush forward mightily if a two-state treaty can be reached. The world will be happy to pay for it in the discount achieved by the reduced price of oil.

Fifth, there is a timing issue. Not only is Barack Obama going to take over in the US, but there is an Israeli election coming up in February. The current Israeli government fears losing power, and I believe has made a pact with Abbas to destroy Hamas leadership in Gaza so that Fatah can assume control. They pretty much have only now to take advantage of this, while world attention is focused on the Christmas-New Year's holiday season, coverage of the bombing in Gaza is muted.

Timing also works in another way, as well. If Israel can remove Hamas, and install Fatah in power in Gaza, Barry can be drafted into riding into the rescue, and broker the two-state treaty. He gets his first foreign policy success, and will gladly shovel US dollars towards it, especially if US construction companies can do the rebuilding. They know that he can be counted on to propel the Obamessiah myth that his followers elected him on. An Israeli-Palistinian peace deal in the first months of the new Administration is irresistible to both him and Hillary.

Gazans see how well the West Bank has done since the split, and how poorly they've done. The flow of international money to pay them not to fight will be a powerful incentive to just give it up, and the world will turn a blind eye to whatever Abbas and Fatah have to do to put down radical Islammunist resistance. Israel knows that it cannot govern Gaza without totally eliminating the population currently there, so it will accept the appointment of Fatah as the kindergarten cop.

Yeah, I would like to see them all wiped out, as well, but that's not going to happen. Short of an Iranian nuclear attack on Israel, where Israel responds with massive retaliation, simultaneously nuking every major Islamic city, that's not in the cards. And it means mutually assured destruction, something that the US and the Soviets managed to avoid, because it was so terrible.

The current Israeli government has one last shot at a non-MAD scenario, if they're wrong, then Likud takes over and finishes the job.

43 posted on 01/01/2009 10:03:09 AM PST by hunter112 (We seem to be on an excrement river in a Native American watercraft without a propulsion device.)
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To: Fennie

I think that the IDF should sweep Gaza methodically, avoiding Gaza City until Hamas is concentrated there. They should announce the names of all the districts and towns being cleared and omit mentioning Gaza City until Hamas is all there or fled from Gaza altogether. Then Gaza City should be leveled by the the IAF and smoothed over by bulldozers. For a nice finishing touch, a few hundred tons of salt cold be sprinkled over the location.


44 posted on 01/01/2009 10:17:12 AM PST by arthurus ( H.L. Mencken said, "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")
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To: hinckley buzzard

There is no reason to think of it as suicidal. Olmert is running this operation, the same Olmert who wants to re-establish the 1947 boundaries as a proper position from which to negotiate with the A-Rabs.


45 posted on 01/01/2009 10:19:16 AM PST by arthurus ( H.L. Mencken said, "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")
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To: Fennie

...just like how Saddam Hussein “defeated” us at the Mother of All Battles in 1991?


46 posted on 01/01/2009 10:51:38 AM PST by ksm1
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To: Fennie

History records that most “Last Stands” didn’t go too well for the last standers.


47 posted on 01/01/2009 11:00:58 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The committed will surely dominate the complacent.)
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To: Fennie

Only thing that can stop Israel from taking out hamas is Israel and their resolve.
Seems they haven’t had too much resolve for the last decade or so. Hope they’ve found it again.


48 posted on 01/01/2009 11:44:25 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: mainepatsfan

A nice conclusion to this affair would be a nice low yield cobalt bomb on Gaza City where no one is killed but the entire city structure is blown away. Oh wait, the UN would then send housing to house the terrorists and make the USA pay for it. Oh well, a nice low yield neutron bomb then, all the Hamas thugs disappear and the city stays!


49 posted on 01/01/2009 12:05:53 PM PST by phillyfanatic ( iT)
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To: Fennie

I like the sound of “last stand”...does that mean they promise to go away after they loose?


50 posted on 01/01/2009 3:21:06 PM PST by highlander_UW (The only difference between the MSM and the DNC is the MSM sells ad space in their propaganda)
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