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Alan M. Dershowitz: Israel, Hamas, and moral idiocy (Good overview)
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | December 31, 2008 | Alan M. Dershowitz

Posted on 01/01/2009 1:44:58 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Cambridge, Mass. - Israel's decision to take military action against Hamas rocket attacks targeting its civilian population has been long in coming. I vividly recall a visit my wife and I took to the Israeli city of Sderot on March 20 of this year. Over the past four years, Palestinian terrorists – in particular, Hamas and Islamic Jihad – have fired more than 2,000 rockets at this civilian area, which is home to mostly poor and working-class people.

The rockets are designed exclusively to maximize civilian deaths, and some have barely missed schoolyards, kindergartens, hospitals, and school buses. But others hit their targets, killing more than a dozen civilians since 2001, including in February 2008 a father of four who had been studying at the local university. These anticivilian rockets have also injured and traumatized countless children.

The residents of Sderot were demanding that their nation take action to protect them. But Israel's postoccupation military options were limited, since Hamas deliberately fires its deadly rockets from densely populated urban areas, and the Israeli army has a strict policy of trying to avoid civilian casualties.

The firing of rockets at civilians from densely populated civilian areas is the newest tactic in the war between terrorists who love death and democracies that love life. The terrorists have learned how to exploit the morality of democracies against those who do not want to kill civilians, even enemy civilians.

(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: dershowitz; gaza; gazastrip; hamas; iran; islam; israel; jihad; mohammedanism
On this issue he's spot on.
1 posted on 01/01/2009 1:44:59 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
very good summary by Derschowitz. Israel must be allowed to finish this war. No more of these silly cease fires that only allow Hamas to regroup and start this crap all over again.

If Palestinian civilians are killed, then so be it. they in fact voted these terrorists into power.

2 posted on 01/01/2009 1:53:25 PM PST by Wonderama Mama (Socialism is great until you run out of someone elses money - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
thanks for the posting. I keep asking myself, where have all these calls for cease-fire been for the last few years, or are Palestinian lives more valuable than Israelis.
3 posted on 01/01/2009 1:53:46 PM PST by grame (please pray for the 38th MP Co in Baghdad)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dershowitz is certainly no liberal when it comes to terrorism. I know his attitude toward torture is “do what you have to do and keep your mouth shut”


4 posted on 01/01/2009 2:11:00 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There’s not much that I can agree about with that moral leper Dershowitz. This time, he’s right.


5 posted on 01/01/2009 2:11:23 PM PST by chesley (A pox on both their houses. I've voted for my last RINO.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Amazing how one who is so correct on this issue continues to actively oppose those who support his stance.


6 posted on 01/01/2009 2:12:48 PM PST by SlapHappyPappy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Just wait till your hero Obama gets in there, Dersh. He'll show those closet bigot Republicans what a real pro-Israel policy is! [/sarcasm]

I wonder how much of Dershowitz' visibility on this issue is based on his convictions and how much is just an excuse to keep his name in the papers.

7 posted on 01/01/2009 2:13:45 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vay'omer Yosef 'el-'echayv "'Ani Yosef; ha`od 'avi chay?" velo'-yakhelu 'echayv la`anot 'oto . . .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dershowitz can be very exasperating, but I once watched him discuss constitutional issues with a group of other “authorities,” and realized that in his circles, he is, relatively speaking, the most sensible of the lot.

In this case, he is exactly right. This is not to avoid the obvious, which is that there is almost no way for Israel to win, except to depopulate Gaza. Merely winning militarily does not change anything. They must crush the very society which breeds terrorism. I would leave very little there, and deport the survivors to the antipodes.

At the very least, Israel should demand surrender from Hamas. Hamas must crawl to the table. No more of Hamas’s defiant “We will fight to the last drop of blood” unless they really intend to die, in which case they should be helped.


8 posted on 01/01/2009 2:25:19 PM PST by docbnj
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To: Wonderama Mama

he’s still a liberal. it’s a shame. I bet he voted for Obama.


9 posted on 01/01/2009 2:35:54 PM PST by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thanks for posting this article! I included the link for it in one of my other threads, but it is great that you took the time to post it for everyone. Dozen Roses
10 posted on 01/01/2009 2:42:37 PM PST by Larousse2 (Like June Carter Cash, "I'm just tryin' to matter.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The US has it exactly right by placing the blame on Hamas, while urging Israel to do everything possible to minimize civilian casualties.


George W. Bush has it exactly right, Alan.

Give him credit.


11 posted on 01/01/2009 3:07:29 PM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: grame

They are if you ask any palestinian, muslim, or arab.


12 posted on 01/01/2009 4:48:46 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dershowitz is certainly correct here. Enough. Enough. We need to ignore the UN and EU and stop kowtowing to these “soft” anti-Semites.


13 posted on 01/01/2009 5:10:10 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: docbnj

No conflict of this nature ends until one side breaks the will of the other to fight. That’s what the surge did in Iraq, and that’s what haapened to the US in Vietnam despite overwhelmingly winning the military side.

Now, the will to fight can be broken through various means. In WWII, we did it through taking Berlin and uncorking nukes. In Vietnam, they (and their leftist allies here) did it through propaganda and subversion. In Iraq, we did it through the surge and convincing most of the population that we were the good guys.

I don’t know how Israel can do this. I really don’t think the islamiacs can do this to Israel. So this is going to drag on and on and on until Israel figures it out.


14 posted on 01/01/2009 6:19:43 PM PST by piytar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is great, because I am really clueless on this topic. When I saw that Alan Dershowitz wrote this, I hesitated, but then I saw all of these comments in agreement. Thank you so much for posting this.


15 posted on 01/01/2009 6:23:51 PM PST by merry10
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Alan Dershowitz is an anti-Christian bigot, a leftist fraud, a hired gun for murderers, and a defender of Israeli espionage against the United States. You’re welcome to him.


16 posted on 01/01/2009 6:58:59 PM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The one way to defeat these anti Israeli bozos is to wipe out all of their top leadership and the ones left alive who come to the bargaining table will have to be surrendered over to Israel to stand trial for war crimes. After doing this a couple of times, it will become increasingly harder to raise up leadership willing to go after Israel when they know their own skin is on the line.

It's one thing to send someone else's kids to blow up as suicide bombers, they never send themselves to do the job. Attacking Israel will become a form of suicide for the top leaders if you go after them. The leadership of Hamas and Hezbollah is the key. Also, the defeat of Iran. That regime has to be changed.
17 posted on 01/01/2009 8:02:08 PM PST by Old Teufel Hunden (I)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is the only thing on which he is right, but kudos to him for this.


18 posted on 01/01/2009 8:41:57 PM PST by doug from upland (8 million views of .HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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19 posted on 01/01/2009 10:17:35 PM PST by SJackson (The American people are wise in wanting change, 2 terms is plenty, Condi Rice)
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Mr. Dershowitz is so correct on Israeli & Jewish issues in general, hopefully one day he shall also be on target with social issues as well.


20 posted on 01/02/2009 2:44:30 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Alan M. Dershowitz is the Felix Frankfurter professor of law at Harvard Law School. His latest book is "The Case Against Israel's Enemies: Exposing Jimmy Carter and Others Who Stand in the Way of Peace."
21 posted on 01/02/2009 3:56:44 AM PST by iowamark
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The terrorists have learned how to exploit the morality of democracies...

So has the Left. Cries of racism, sexism, homophobia and so on plus the alleged threat of Global Warming and myriad other issues that the Left claims to be concerned about are all dependent upon the rest of us living up to our morality. Terrorists and the Left hold us to a standard of perfection when it comes to our morality and when we are seen to violate those morals (whether we have or haven't) they denounce us as hypocrites and oppressors. Their actions aren't relevant. Only ours.

Gotta wonder, though (fair or unfair), just who learned this tactic from whom?

22 posted on 01/02/2009 5:21:47 AM PST by Reaganesque
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