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New law seems to ban resale of toys (Nanny State Barf Alert)
The Columbus Dispatch ^ | January 1, 2009 | Bill Bush

Posted on 01/01/2009 2:39:21 PM PST by buccaneer81

New law seems to ban resale of toys Items sold for kids must be certified lead-free on Feb. 10 Thursday, January 1, 2009 3:29 AM By Bill Bush THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

The toys Allison George likes to buy at Trader Tots may not be available under a law that goes into effect Feb. 10. Trader Tots has been buying and selling used toys in Grandview Heights for almost two decades, but it, like resale shops nationwide, fears that a new law will force costly lead tests and hurt business.

Congress enacted the law last year in response to recalls of imported toys laced with lead.

The law requires all items marketed to children 12 or under to be certified lead-free.

Resale stores believe this means that they would have to test older toys for lead.

Trader Tots co-owner Anne Bush-Cassady said the store will stop selling toys before the Feb. 10 deadline. Toys, she said, make up about 25 percent of the store's sales.

"We can't afford to test everything that (comes) in the door," she said. "So all of this is going to get thrown out. What you already have in your house, in a year, year and half, there will be no value, no donatable value and no retail value.

"They will become trash."

It's not just toys. The National Association of Retail and Thrift Shops says the law could apply to clothes, books, electronic devices, furniture -- anything marketed to children.

"The public is going to be so confused," said Adele Meyer, executive director of the association, which represents about 1,000 resale stores in the United States and Canada.

"How are you going to explain to them that the dress that they bought for Christmas, they can't resell it, they can't donate it."

Selling uncertified items could be punishable by imprisonment and a fine of as much as $100,000 per violation, Meyer said.

She said she doesn't believe Congress had resale stores in mind when it passed the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008 in response to a rash of reports about tainted toys, most of which are made overseas.

"We're not against product safety," Meyer said. "We do not want to sell or do anything to harm children. But we're talking about products that were safe to be sold on Feb. 9. We are not talking about recalled products."

A spokesman for the Consumer Product Safety Commission did not return a call yesterday.

Meyer said she hopes that the commission clarifies the law before the February deadline. If not, there could be legal questions about items sold at garage sales, on eBay and Craigslist.

"This is the most acutely complex act," she said.

Nadine Ballard, chief of the Consumer Protection Section of the Ohio attorney general's office, said that an advisory opinion on the Consumer Product Safety Commission's Web site appears to confirm the thrift stores' understanding of the law.

The advisory opinion states that the lead limit "applies to product in inventory or on store shelves" on Feb. 10, not products manufactured after a certain date.

"It looks like they are making a very broad reading of it," she said. "At the end of that date, it has to be off their shelves."

Despite that, Ballard said the law appears to be aimed chiefly at manufacturers, not individuals or small stores selling used goods.

"Clearly, we can't go to every garage sale in America and start fining people," she said.

bbush@dispatch.com


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: manufacturing; nannystate; resale; toys
"Clearly, we can't go to every garage sale in America and start fining people," she said.

Just watch. They'll try.

1 posted on 01/01/2009 2:39:22 PM PST by buccaneer81
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To: buccaneer81

watch out Ebay.


2 posted on 01/01/2009 2:43:25 PM PST by Vaquero ( "an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: buccaneer81

And people wonder why the US economy is heading into late Soviet Union territory.


3 posted on 01/01/2009 2:45:29 PM PST by CautiouslyHopeful
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To: buccaneer81
Despite that, Ballard said the law appears to be aimed chiefly at manufacturers, not individuals or small stores selling used goods.

Yeah, it'll appear that way until some adventuresome lawyer finds a lead-tainted toy in a thrift shop and sues them into next week.

4 posted on 01/01/2009 2:45:44 PM PST by randog (Hope is a bad business plan.)
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To: buccaneer81

I think it’s pretty obvious the law was not aimed at resale.

This is just being blown out of proportion.

However, it needs clarified.


5 posted on 01/01/2009 2:47:11 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: randog
Yeah, it'll appear that way until some adventuresome lawyer finds a lead-tainted toy in a thrift shop and sues them into next week.

The guys who buy the full cover ads on the back of the phone books probably have February 10 circled on their calendars.

6 posted on 01/01/2009 2:48:15 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: buccaneer81

Is this for the children?


7 posted on 01/01/2009 2:50:33 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule." - H L Mencken.)
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To: rwfromkansas
I think it’s pretty obvious the law was not aimed at resale INSERT SUBJECT HERE.

This is just being blown out of proportion.

We've seen how this turns out. Usually badly for normal folks.

8 posted on 01/01/2009 2:53:19 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Is this for the children?

No, it's for the lawyers.

Yeah, it'll appear that way until some adventuresome lawyer finds a lead-tainted toy in a thrift shop and sues them into next week. This is exactly what the lawyers in the legislature intended when they wrote the law the way they did.

9 posted on 01/01/2009 2:58:57 PM PST by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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To: buccaneer81

Once again congress acts before they think.


10 posted on 01/01/2009 3:21:49 PM PST by razorback-bert (Save the planet...it is the only known one with beer!)
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To: buccaneer81

They tried to make people collect and pay sales tax at yard sales in Tennessee a couple of years ago. Everyone just ignored them.


11 posted on 01/01/2009 3:29:52 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Obama is living proof that stupid people should not be allowed to vote.)
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To: buccaneer81
I believe this is about plastic Chinese junk that has flooded the market. Why not deal with this problem at the source?
12 posted on 01/01/2009 3:30:34 PM PST by 4yearlurker (He who angers you controls you.)
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To: buccaneer81

Democrats - doing everything they can to help the big corporations and put the small businesses out of work.


13 posted on 01/01/2009 3:30:43 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: 4yearlurker
Why not deal with this problem at the source?

And anger Wal-Mart?

No politician has brass ones big enough.

14 posted on 01/01/2009 3:39:24 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Is this for the children?

It be for da chillum so de grow up to bees 'Bambi voters.

15 posted on 01/01/2009 4:00:14 PM PST by lightman (Red & Blue B. Hussein Obama posters make great kindling!)
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To: buccaneer81

The do - gooders have taken the child out of childhood in the last 15 years. It is all a supervised sham of nannyism.


16 posted on 01/01/2009 4:13:22 PM PST by dancusa (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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To: buccaneer81
Trader Tots co-owner Anne Bush-Cassady

I hate hyphenated last names. I wonder if one of her kids is named Sundance?

17 posted on 01/01/2009 4:16:41 PM PST by RightField (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well,.)
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To: rwfromkansas

Have you read the 62 page law? It isn’t only testing for lead either. It is testing for pthalates in the plastics too. “Anything a kid could put in his mouth.”

I sell kids toys. We’re in process of getting the manufactures to assure the safety of the existing toys on the shelf. Those that aren’t...can’t be sold, donated, or even exported back for credit.


18 posted on 01/01/2009 4:34:51 PM PST by EBH ( Directive 10-289)
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To: buccaneer81

This new law that takes effect Feb 10. (HR4040) is onerous and will require manufacturers to certify that any product they make that can possibly come in contact with those aged 12 and under be free of lead and phthalates.
This means all of us working in the craft and fair industry as a micro-business must follow the requirements. Reading the bill Bush signed into law last August indicates it will force someone like myself to spend an estimated $4000 per item to declare it lead and phthalate free.

I make tye dye shirts, not only do the shirts have to be tested, but the dyes as well. If I use 25 different dyes, thats what, $100K. If I re-order the dyes, one again the testing needs to be done. Same with the cotton shirts.

Relying on the word of the shirt maker or dye supplier will not do. Penalties of five years in jail and up to $15M in fines plus asset forfeiture.

The Mom and pop manufacturing business is now finished.

Retailers are affected too. the selling of non-certified inventory will also be illegal.

From what I am reading on crafter forums, widespread panic has set in, and for good reason. Grandpa can no longer make those wooden trains for sale at the local street fair. Grandma can no longer sew those cute little baby bibs because she has to certify that the material she purchase at the fabric store meets the requirements. At $4000 per piece of cloth—she is now out of business.

Bring manufacturing back to the US? Now congress says we can’t even manufacture anything that might come into contact with children 12 years old or under... Unreal...


19 posted on 01/01/2009 5:24:28 PM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing" only a thin dollar, babies free)
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To: abigkahuna
Circumvent the law....

Put stickers/patches on EVERYTHING

"Not intended, or available for sale, for children under 13 years of age."

A CYA maneuver... kind of like the "choking hazard" warnings on toys that even an elphant couldn't choke on.... or "tree nut" warnings on peanut butter

20 posted on 01/01/2009 6:25:40 PM PST by Operation_Shock_N_Awe (I'd rather be a conservative nut job than a liberal with no nuts and no job)
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To: Operation_Shock_N_Awe

My wife and I are thinking about this—but hell, we make and sell baby tye dyes... I guess you can by them but not use them.. :)


21 posted on 01/01/2009 6:36:01 PM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing" only a thin dollar, babies free)
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To: abigkahuna

by= buy


22 posted on 01/01/2009 6:36:50 PM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing" only a thin dollar, babies free)
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To: EBH

hopefully it will be fixed......sorry. Why didn’t we hear about this earlier?


23 posted on 01/01/2009 6:46:55 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: abigkahuna
Start selling/advertising them as shirts for display/collectible dolls. Size 1 fits collectible figurines equivalent in size to a baby 2-3 months ;)

Not your fault if some 'irresponsible' parent puts one on their actual child.

24 posted on 01/01/2009 6:50:16 PM PST by Operation_Shock_N_Awe (I'd rather be a conservative nut job than a liberal with no nuts and no job)
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To: buccaneer81
The really infuriating thing about this law is that it came about as a response to unscrupulous manufacturing techniques in China. The Democratic Congress being the Democratic Congress, they elected to punish Americans.
25 posted on 01/01/2009 6:51:46 PM PST by denydenydeny ("Banish Merry Christmas. Get ready for Mad Max.."-Daniel Henninger)
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To: denydenydeny

Can one still REGIFT?


26 posted on 01/01/2009 7:00:04 PM PST by xrmusn
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To: denydenydeny

True enough.

These lawyers in Congress know exactly what they are doing when it comes to writing laws.

Unintended consequences are so last Century - this crap’s professionally crafted to achieve what it achieves.

Heads On Pikes!


27 posted on 01/01/2009 7:16:36 PM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: buccaneer81
Is there a Toy Show exclusion? What about a mandatory 2-week waiting period for the purchase of used toys?

-PJ

28 posted on 01/01/2009 7:19:18 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: denydenydeny
There are even more dire circumstances. Feb. !0th is being referred to as National Bankruptcy Day (google it) In one of their forums I found this tid bit:

I want you to know what is happening in the marketplace in direct response to the Falvey Opinion. It is my understanding that Wal-Mart has informed its suppliers of children's products that it intends to return all merchandise, regardless of age, that cannot be proven to comply with the new standards. Supposedly, it intends to complete this transfer by February 10. At least two other major retailers are rumored to have taken a similar position. This tug-of-war over existing inventory is actually a game of "hot potato": whoever ends up with the inventory on February 10 has a massive, perhaps fatal financial problem. Thus, no one is talking about how to sell off existing inventory (the old "yard sale" idea) - everyone is focusing on how to stick the inventory (the problem) with someone else. We are deathly afraid that Wal-Mart's plan will trigger a massive inventory "run on the bank" where all of our dealers will demand to return their unsold inventory, a scenario implying a stand-off between thousands of companies over a financial issue triggered by the Falvey Opinion. As previously noted, it is certainly true that we cannot afford to absorb the hit on our existing inventory. The notion that we could somehow survive the burden of absorbing the entire U.S. supply chain's inventory of our products is nonsensical. If this happens, you should expect widespread corporate bankruptcies. No sane person could argue that Congress "intended" this result. Clearly, Congress in its rush to punish the entire children's products industries (shoes, electronics, clothing, toys, sports equipment, novelties, books, lamps, etc.) for perceived "bad acts" drafted a law without regard to consequences. It's time to speak the truth - this was not intended by Congress because it couldn't have been intended by Congress. If that's so, the Falvey Opinion must be reversed. Thank you for considering my views on this urgent matter. Sincerely, Richard Woldenberg Chairman

http://fashion-incubator.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3379

29 posted on 01/01/2009 10:46:19 PM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing" only a thin dollar, babies free)
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To: abigkahuna
I make tye dye shirts, not only do the shirts have to be tested, but the dyes as well. If I use 25 different dyes, thats what, $100K. If I re-order the dyes, one again the testing needs to be done. Same with the cotton shirts.

The manufacture of the shirts, intended for children under 12, is required to supply you with a certification statement with each shipment. As a retailer myself this certification statement will be stored/filed on-site. How long I don't know yet?

The dyes on the other hand will be much more difficult. You will either need to send each dye for testing or the manufacture will. In reading the law much of the responsibility falls to "manufactures." Your problem comes from the fact that a dye manufacture could possibly say ...you're problem. Instead of the reasonable assessment that dyes made for crafters need testing. Yet, they will need to supply that certification to major clothing manufactures anyway...so the dye manufacture has to test and certify it anyway.

I do see much of this along the lines of getting a MSDS, Material Safety Date Sheet, like industry was forced to years ago.

30 posted on 01/02/2009 3:29:13 AM PST by EBH ( Directive 10-289)
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To: buccaneer81

Trouble in Toyland
http://www.uspirg.org/uploads/UK/NE/UKNEru1SS4LqBkfsij8gAA/2008ToylandReport.pdf


31 posted on 01/02/2009 3:55:03 AM PST by EBH ( Directive 10-289)
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To: EBH

Except the thing is—lead have been prohibited in US Dyes and inks for some nigh 30 years now...


32 posted on 01/02/2009 1:12:19 PM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing" only a thin dollar, babies free)
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