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Why Arabs Believe In Force Fields (Interesting!)
Strategy Page ^ | December 26, 2008

Posted on 01/02/2009 12:07:35 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Many Pakistanis now believe that the recent Islamic terrorist attack in Mumbai, India, was the work of the Israeli Mossad, or the American CIA. Such fantasies are a common explanation, in Moslem nations, for Islamic terrorist atrocities. Especially when women and children, and Moslems, are among the victims, other Moslems tend to accept fantastic explanations shifting the blame to infidels (non-Moslems).

Conspiracies are not unique to the Moslem world, but they are much more common there. After the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States, many Moslems again blamed Israel. A favorite variation of this is that, before the attacks on the World Trade Center, a secret message went out to all Jews in the area to stay away. Another variation has it that the 19 attackers (all of them Arab, 15 from Saudi Arabia) were really not Arabs, but falsely identified as part of the Israeli deception. In the United States, some Americans insist that the attack was the work of the U.S. government, complete with the World Trade Center towers being brought down by prepositioned explosive charges. While few Americans accept this, the Moslem fantasies are widely accepted in the Moslem world. Even Western educated Arabs, speaking good English, will casually express, and accept, these tales of the Israeli Mossad staging the attacks, to trick the U.S. into attacking Afghanistan and Iraq. Americans are shocked at this, but the Moslems expressing these beliefs just shrug.

American troops arriving in Iraq go through a real culture shock as they encounter these cultural difference. They also discover that the cause of this, and many other Arab problems, is the concept of "inshallah" ("If God wills it.") This is a basic tenet of Islam, although some scholars believe the attitude preceded that religion. In any event, "inshallah" is deadly when combined with modern technology. For this reason, Arab countries either have poorly maintained infrastructure and equipment (including military stuff), or import a lot of foreigners, possessing the right attitudes, to maintain everything. That minority of Arabs who do have the right attitude towards maintenance and personal responsibility are considered odd, but useful.

The "inshallah" thing is made worse by a stronger belief in the supernatural, and magic in general. This often extends to technology. Thus many Iraqis believe that American troops wear sunglasses that see through clothing, and armor vests that are actually air conditioned. When they first encounter these beliefs, U.S. troops thought the Arabs are putting them on. Then it sinks in that Arabs really believe this stuff. It's a scary moment.

However, many troops learn to live with, and even exploit, these odd beliefs. When troops at one base discovered that they weren't being attacked much, because many of the locals believed that the base was surrounded by a force field, the troops would casually make reference to their force field, when they were outside the wire and among the locals. This reinforced the force field myth, and made the base safer. Other troops would invent new fantasies, like a pretending that a handheld bit of military electronics was actually a mind reading device. That often made interrogations go a lot quicker. Not all Arabs believe in this stuff, and those that didn't and worked for the Americans, often as an interpreter, could only shrug their shoulders when asked about it.

This easy acceptance of fantasies is exploited by leaders throughout the Middle East, and the Moslem world in general. Leaders who know better, build on these fantasies as a way to maintain their control over the population. The problem is a dirty little secret in the Moslem world, that leaders and academics don't even like to discuss it openly, much less with infidels. But it is real, and you can read all about it in the local media, or overhear it in the coffee shops.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arabs; forcefields; india; inshallah; iraq; islam; jihad; mumbai; muslims; pakistan; quran
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To: PapaBear3625

Ask someone who considers themselves to be Persian. See what they have to say about Arabs. They won’t be kind. lol


51 posted on 01/02/2009 6:14:11 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We have the same thing here.
We just have different fantasies.


52 posted on 01/02/2009 6:23:33 AM PST by uglybiker (1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d 2 g3t l41d)
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To: dianed

The Islamic world was superior in technology in the age of the Crusades up until the Mamluks taking over Egypt. One of their leaders (I don’t recall the name) ordered the destruction of the rebuilt Library of Alexandria, saying that since the Koran was the word of God, and since all other books were either to reinforce that, or blasphemous, no other books were needed.

It was at that point Arab society lost its technological advantages and began to leech off the technological capabilities of the infidels, until this day.


53 posted on 01/02/2009 6:28:45 AM PST by Lightfinger (Obama is the 21st Century version of Mussolini)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

¡The Best Article I’ve Read This Year!


54 posted on 01/02/2009 6:34:49 AM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: laotzu

Of course Texans excepted. That goes without saying.

:)


55 posted on 01/02/2009 6:42:28 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Allegra
But it's working now and the Iraqis are learning all kinds of new technology and they're learning enthusiastically.

I really, really hope that doesn't come back to bite us in the ass.

L

56 posted on 01/02/2009 6:43:30 AM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Allegra
I'm curious about your take on the article linked in post 42.

Best,

L

57 posted on 01/02/2009 6:44:36 AM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Lurker
But it's working now and the Iraqis are learning all kinds of new technology and they're learning enthusiastically.

Arabs believe "if god will's it" (Inshallah). Trying to explain preventive maintenance to an Arab (with this mindset) goes over like a lead balloon.

58 posted on 01/02/2009 7:10:13 AM PST by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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To: kb2614
I know educated, well credentialed, modern folks who believe we never actually landed on the moon and 9/11 was an inside job. You don’t have to be poor and dumb to believe stupid things.

The route to accepting a 9/11 "controlled demolition," for otherwise reasonable folks, comes from disbelief that two 110 story buildings could fall essentially straight down without the help of demolition expertise. I know I expected one or both to eventually sag and fall to the side, at least the portions above the jet strike and fire, greatly magnifying the damage beyond the WTC. I think the attackers did, too. It was a quirk of the structural design, with the ballon frame and central "core," that spared New York City much greater damage. The whole thing looked very "Hollywood," surreal, too, which no doubt added to the paranoid speculation. When the unthinkable happens, fanciful explanations don't sound any less plausible than realistic ones, to some.

59 posted on 01/02/2009 7:36:04 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Lurker
I'm curious about your take on the article linked in post 42.

I agree with some of the comments about the overall culture, but a lot of that doesn't apply to Iraq. KSA is quite different in that, as the article mentioned, Saudis don't really work; they have indentured servants running the infrastructure, the service industry, etc. I've seen the same in Kuwait and Dubai. KSA is also very strictly Muslim, whereas Iraq has been largely secular for decades and that has permeated the social fabric.

Iraqis do their own work. Here, they do grow stuff, make stuff and build stuff (as the article put it.) The lack of concept of "maintenance" was also mentioned and we are engaged in a large country-wide effort to provide on-the-job and classroom training for operations and maintenance activities on all aspects of infrastructural facilities such as water and sewage treatment plants, oil production facilities, power plants, schools, hospitals, roads, bridges, airports, etc. Keep your fingers crossed for us (I am directly involved in this effort) because maintenance is a whole new thing for the Iraqis.

The writer had me somewhat skeptical right off the bat by using Jill Carroll as an example. Of course she met the lowest of the low. She was kidnapped and he;d hostage. While I'm glad she was released and is OK, she was boneheaded to do what she did. She was gallivanting around Baghdad during the worst days of the war in soft vehicles and no security detail. I cannot even imagine such stupidity.

60 posted on 01/02/2009 8:26:32 AM PST by Allegra
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To: kb2614
I know educated, well credentialed, modern folks who believe we never actually landed on the moon and 9/11 was an inside job. You don’t have to be poor and dumb to believe stupid things.

I can almost understand the folks who think we didn't go to the moon.  The problem is at least partially NASA's fault because some of the shots they broadcast/published were shot on a stage, because there was political propaganda value in doing so.  I got into some of the inconsistancies a long time ago, and found it to be intereststing, but ultimately of little use other than further confirmation that our government is staffed largely by people who, in a sane world, would not be allowed to do anything more complex than dig ditches.

As an example of exactly how dumb-as-a-post even some of our 'rocket scientists' are, consider the following: Most of the footage shot on the moon was not shot using standard video tech of the day. They had what was essentially high-def cameras. The signal that was broadcast back to earth had to be converted (downgraded) from its native format to a broadcast-quality signal.

After the lunar missions all the original high-quality footage (a hundred or so hours of footage IIRC) were simply stored in a warehouse somewhere. It was never copied for later archival and study. Keep in mind that our missions to the moon was basically the high-point of American achievement. Our voyages to the moon were quite arguably one of the most important events of the 20th century, yet no one at NASA ever thought to make the films available to the public. They never converted the signals into digital copies so they could be protected from the effects of time.They were never converted to Beta, VHS, or DVD.

In fact, they just lost them.

Yes, that's right. Our government is so incompetent that they simply lost some of the most important film ever taken by man.

It is exactly this kind of incompetence (and I'd argure malfeasance) that fuels conspiracy theorists.



61 posted on 01/02/2009 8:31:22 AM PST by zeugma (Will it be nukes or aliens? Time will tell.)
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To: Lexinom
Muslims believe the world is recreated constantly, at infitessimally small increments, like frames in a movie.

So do physicists. It is called quantum mechanics.

62 posted on 01/02/2009 8:36:53 AM PST by TonyStark
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To: laotzu
So please, westerners. Let’s check our feelings of superiority at the door.

Except you Texans.

Duly noted, and preemptively excepted as a matter of course.

63 posted on 01/02/2009 8:39:38 AM PST by TonyStark
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To: laotzu; samtheman
Except you Texans.

Of course. :)

64 posted on 01/02/2009 8:42:30 AM PST by Allegra
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To: guitarplayer1953

When did the muzzies contribute to math or science? Most of their “academic” achievements were stolen from India, China, and post-Reconquista Spain.


65 posted on 01/02/2009 8:48:44 AM PST by indcons (An eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth.)
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To: Allegra
Keep your fingers crossed for us (I am directly involved in this effort) because maintenance is a whole new thing for the Iraqis.

We are Allegra. For what it's worth (and I don't really think God listens much to the likes of me...) you're frequently the object of our prayers for your safety and success.

She was gallivanting around Baghdad during the worst days of the war in soft vehicles and no security detail. I cannot even imagine such stupidity.

That's because you most definetely are NOT stupid. Ms. Carroll is another matter entirely.

Thanks very much for your insight. I have a friend who is frequently sent to the ME (KSA, Kuwait..just returned from Turkey) and he says largely the same thing.

L

66 posted on 01/02/2009 8:55:24 AM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There are two fantasies at work in most Islamics rather than a single superstition.

The first is the concept of the "Jinn", magic, witchcraft, good devil/bad devil.

The second is the Islamic concept of predestination which is driven by fatalism and a strong belief in the after-life, of resurrection.

67 posted on 01/02/2009 9:15:48 AM PST by gandalftb (An appeaser feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last......)
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To: guitarplayer1953
It is truly a shame that a civilization that once contributed to mathematics and other academia have been forced to live in the dark ages due to a control of knowledge which truly is a form of mental slavery.

What name are you giving to the civilization in question? "Arabic" or "Islamic"? But, I suppose that doesn't matter.

The numbering system we use (zero and a decimal positional notation) was originated by Hindus about 500 AD. As the concept passed through North Africa, it picked up the Arabic characters set for 0-9. And that's the pattern to look for.

Many things attributed to an Arabic Civilization should be more properly attributed to the remnants of the Zoroastrian, Hindu, Hellenic, or Roman civilizations they conquered, or to other civilizations nearby. The more Arabic the conquered areas became, the fewer contributions to knowledge they produced.

The one positive thing I've read about, is that there is usually a flowering in the conquered remnants for the first generation or so, as the Arab/Islamic conquerors usually reduced taxes quite a bit. Unfortunately, the penalties for not converting to Islam grow. And as the % of non-Islamics falls, the tax on the non-Islamics grow, and that eventually kills the golden goose.

68 posted on 01/02/2009 11:13:53 AM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Muslim men love goats? I thought it was sheep. Ewwweeee! Photobucket
69 posted on 01/02/2009 12:10:20 PM PST by Larousse2 (Like June Carter Cash, "I'm just tryin' to matter.")
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To: TonyStark

Beat me to it


70 posted on 01/02/2009 12:22:38 PM PST by ninonitti
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To: slowhandluke

I stand corrected upon looking deeper they got the zero from India and most of their architecture achievement came from others. Just like the good old USA who got the A bomb from the Nazis and rocketry from the Nazi’s too.


71 posted on 01/02/2009 3:23:18 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: guitarplayer1953
Just like the good old USA who got the A bomb from the Nazis and rocketry from the Nazi’s too.

Ah, but where is the Arabic Henry Ford? The Arabic Space Program? The Arabic Rock-N-Roll?

We might borrow, but we build too.

72 posted on 01/02/2009 4:06:39 PM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: slowhandluke

So very true and as with the Arabic and the Yankees of the civil war and the ww2 propaganda legends the spoils of writing history goes the the winner.


73 posted on 01/02/2009 5:00:10 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: Lightfinger
It was at that point Arab society lost its technological advantages and began to leech off the technological capabilities of the infidels, until this day.

No, the Arabs were leaching off the Hellenic tradition that built the Library at Alexandria. The Library at Alexandria was there well before the Arabs came.

I don't know think the Arabs ever had a technological edge. Certainly in the early crusades, the heavy western cavalry had a definite technological edge, commonly winning over greatly superior numbers. They just couldn't be supplied in the numbers required.

Battles like Manzikert seem to be more about tactics, strategy, generalship and politics than about a scimitar being better than a broadsword.

74 posted on 01/02/2009 5:16:00 PM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: guitarplayer1953
So very true and as with the Arabic and the Yankees of the civil war and the ww2 propaganda legends the spoils of writing history goes the the winner.

So far, the Library at Alexandria and Arabic numerals have been mentioned, and both are clearly of other than Arabic origin. What other wonders of the Arabic world do you think were suppressed?

And for the earlier rocket and A-bomb thing, I don't believe there are any history books that fail to credit Werner Von Braun for his role in rockets, nor do they fail to mention that some of the folks on the Manhattan Project were European expatriates. The note from Einstein to FDR that started that effort is certainly well known.

If you think all is propaganda, why do you bother posting? And if all you present is a claim akin to 'the truth is out there, but hidden' you just end up sounding like one of the tin-foil hat brigade.

75 posted on 01/02/2009 5:46:45 PM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: WildcatClan

YEP the ‘water-car’ is a favorite of HYDE the conspirator kid in a hilarious old sitcom...’that 70’s show’ they’ve written it into a few of their episodes...

i must say i’m in love with the beautiful redhead though...


76 posted on 01/02/2009 5:59:10 PM PST by ffff (:)
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To: slowhandluke

The Nazi had developed the bomb before us. Many thing came out after the fall of the Berlin wall.


77 posted on 01/02/2009 6:20:05 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We've pretty much got the same thing going on here in the good ‘ole U. S. of A.. Look at all the magic stuff that fills our entertainment world. Why the electorate even voted based on the fantasies of Hope and Change.
78 posted on 01/02/2009 6:49:47 PM PST by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
At the same time the people on the street in Arabic speaking countries (the "Arab street") have beliefs about their leadership elites that suggest they have quite real, but inexplicable encounters with them, that can only arise out of someone there possessing some fairly impressive technology.

You can follow these beliefs all the way back to the earliest times ~ (Check: Flying Garuda) ~

In our foray into Iraq there have been repeated events where one of the bad guys we've targeted is in a building or other location that gets bombed with massive amounts of explosives. Everybody turns into powder except the bad guy ~ and there he is trying to crawl away to do it all over again.

Just the other day the IDF/IAF used a 500lb, or 1000 pound bomb to blow up a Hamas' leaders home ~ ordinarily you can do a job on a house, even a concrete house, with far smaller munitions, but the IDF/IAF has this funny idea that to wipe 'em out you have to use the big stuff.

Ever wonder where they got that idea? Well, it's from experience. The leadership elite is harder to kill for some reason.

Eventually one of 'em is going to let us know what the secret is and then we can get rid of the whole nest.

79 posted on 01/02/2009 8:41:26 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: guitarplayer1953
No, the Nazis didn't develop the atom bomb before us. Hitler's disbelief in "Jewish science" put Germany way behind everybody ~ and that included the Russians and the Japanese.

Shortly before Trinity the Japanese managed to blow up their primary atomic bomb development team in fact. They also had half a dozen or so giant underwater submarines capable of launching a medium range bomber with atom bombs if they'd ever gotten that far, and they are reputed to have manufactured and made ready for battle about 12,000 jet planes.

Although part of the Axis, it would be incorrect to refer to the Japanese as "Nazis". BTW, the Germans shipped some yellow-cake (uranium ore) to the Japanese. It was transferred at sea into one of those giant submarines. That particular sub was finally found near Hawaii about 5 or 6 years ago.

80 posted on 01/02/2009 8:47:09 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And these are the people who lead the world in science during the "Islamic Goledn Age"?

What a crock.

81 posted on 01/02/2009 8:47:21 PM PST by CaptRon (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Lightfinger

Actually, Arabia bit the dirt politically and culturally when the Mongols invaded and took over the place. The Mongols didn’t quite make it to France so Western Europe was allowed to “develop” itself out of the Dark Ages


82 posted on 01/02/2009 8:50:54 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: miliantnutcase
Part of the reason they so easily live under tyrants and dictators.

It's survival gear for folks who live for generations with a boot on their neck. It makes it easy to stitch loyalty from one tyrant to the next. One guy's out? New guy in? It's meant to be...

83 posted on 01/02/2009 8:55:56 PM PST by GOPJ (GM's market value is a third of Bed, Bath and Beyond. Why is GM "too big to fail"? Steyn)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They also discover that the cause of this, and many other Arab problems, is the concept of "inshallah" ("If God wills it.")

So if we nuke Mecca, it's inshallah.

84 posted on 01/02/2009 9:00:46 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Lightfinger
The leader you speak of is the caliph Omar.

However, most historians debunk this as the cause of the destruction of the library. They believe it was a combination of fires which started with Caesars assault on Alexandria and continued throughout the years. This, combined with the fact that the “books” were actually scrolls which didn't age well, led to the loss of the library contents.

http://www.bede.org.uk/library.htm

I believe that the basis of loss of knowledge and tech capabilities comes down to the same reason that Omar ordered the books destroyed in the story you spoke of. If it's not in the Koran and Mohammed didn't sanction it, Muslims can't explore it or involve themselves with it.
Pretty limiting in the scientific arena, eh?

85 posted on 01/02/2009 9:21:48 PM PST by dianed
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To: slowhandluke

Actually, the Babylonians invented the first known character
for zero.

Interesting read about the evolution of the concept is “Zero, Biography of a Dangerous Idea”.


86 posted on 01/02/2009 10:56:43 PM PST by dianed
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To: Lexinom
From a metaphysical/philosophical starting point, this is a rather fascinating area of study, the type of thing men devote entire lives to.

Sounds like fun...




87 posted on 01/03/2009 4:42:55 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: Reaganesque

I have heard, from a number of sources (including a well known professor of Arabic Studies) that “inshallah” is both a saying and an excuse. “I will see you tomorrow, inshallah,” generally means “I’ll show up, if I feel like it.” And if this person doesn’t feel like it the next day, God willed it. “We will not fire upon you tomorrow, inshalla,” means you should prepare for an attack and so on. And they don’t consider it lying. They literally believe that such behavior is what God wanted them to do in that circumstance. Their word, their actions mean nothing. All is controlled by God. Look up fatalism, its pretty much the same thing.
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My mother, a strong-willed southern baptist, used to say she would do something, “If the good lord is willing and the creek don’t rise”.


88 posted on 01/03/2009 7:31:18 AM PST by RipSawyer (Great Grandpa was a Confederate soldier from the cradle of secession.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

After reading the piece, the title is misleading and ridiculous.


89 posted on 01/03/2009 7:34:16 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: RipSawyer
That reminds me of the old joke:

Old Mrs. Watkins awoke one spring morning to find that the river had flooded the entire first floor of her house. Looking out of her window, she saw that the water was still rising. Two men passing by in a rowboat shouted up an invitation to row to safety with them. "No, thank you," Mrs. Watkins replied. "The Lord will provide."

The men shrugged and rowed on. By evening, the water level forced Mrs. Watkins to climb on top of the roof for safety. She was spotted by a man in a motorboat, who offered to pick her up. "Don't trouble yourself," she told him. "The Lord will provide."

Pretty soon, Mrs. Watkins had to seek refuge atop the chimney. When a National Guard helicopter came by on patrol, she waved it on, shouting, "The Lord will provide." So the helicopter left, the water rose, and the old woman drowned.

Dripping wet and thoroughly annoyed, she came through the pearly gates and demanded to speak to God. "What happened?" she cried.

"For cryin' out loud, lady," God said, "I sent two boats and a helicopter, WHAT DO YOU WANT???!!!"

90 posted on 01/03/2009 7:55:14 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: dennisw

In Islam the highest intellectual endeavor is Koran study and that’s what the high IQ people get forced into
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This must be what drives the Imams mad! A truly intelligent person cannot possibly believe the garbage they must spout but they are afraid to say otherwise for fear of being stoned to death or otherwise hideously butchered. It must be a terrible way to live. I liken it in many ways to the liberal, abortion promoting, global warming spouting crowd in this country. A person must go mad, they cannot believe this stuff and maintain sanity.


91 posted on 01/03/2009 8:03:59 AM PST by RipSawyer (Great Grandpa was a Confederate soldier from the cradle of secession.)
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To: Allegra

As always your perspective is great to read.


92 posted on 01/03/2009 8:31:30 AM PST by xp38
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To: FARS

bump


93 posted on 01/03/2009 9:02:50 AM PST by GOPJ (GM's market value is a third of Bed, Bath and Beyond. Why is GM "too big to fail"? Steyn)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Poor, dumb, superstitious, stuck in the 7th Century

We used to refer to these cultures as "primitive", but I guess thats too un-PC, nowadays.

If it werent for oil, these people would be primarily camel-oriented sand nomads and subsistence farmers. Its a shame the way God distributes natural resources.

94 posted on 01/03/2009 12:59:57 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: GOPJ; All; Spunky; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; 1035rep; 1curiousmind; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

So do Americans! Read and chuckle.

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-democrats-spin-facts-to-hide.html


95 posted on 01/03/2009 1:04:27 PM PST by FARS (If time permits, visit http://antimullah.com after reading all of FR posts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The title should read “muslims” not Arabs.

Pakis are not arabs, indonesians are not arabs, American muslims are for the most part not arabs. Chechnya terrorists are not arabs - they are muslims - and so on.

Many Arabs are Christians in fact.


96 posted on 01/03/2009 1:09:42 PM PST by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! + In this sign Conquer! +)
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To: Nonstatist

No it’s a shame the way we allow crooks to run our country. We don’t have to rely on the Middle East for energy. The US dwarfs the respective Middle East countries in energy ressources, yet we are UNWILLING to go for it.


97 posted on 01/03/2009 1:10:02 PM PST by SolidWood (Sarah Palin - Everything that is Sweetness and Light!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Many Pakistanis now believe that...”

Most muslims believe whatever they are told to believe. The culture that goes with that ideology weeds out independent thinkers at the earliest possible age.


98 posted on 01/03/2009 3:08:33 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds like the Middle East is a highly fertile field for Scientology!


99 posted on 01/03/2009 3:15:11 PM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([In the primaries, vote "FOR". In the general, vote "AGAINST". ...See? Easy.])
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Poor, dumb, superstitious, stuck in the 7th Century and in love with your goat is no way to go through life, son!

This isn't a thread about the typical demoncrat voter??

100 posted on 01/03/2009 3:21:58 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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